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Nekostan-e Gharbi
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Postby Nekostan-e Gharbi » Sat Jan 02, 2021 2:47 pm

GermanNationalRepublic wrote:
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Pogroms against ethnic Chinese merchants is actually pretty common in the Third World for essentially the same reason why anti-Jewish and anti-Greek attacks happen.

*Also: The Third World is being bribed by China


China and the Chinese are mortal enemies. Did China ever stop aiding countries where pogroms happened? No.

That’s another reason for abolishing China. The Confucian, legalist and communist traditions can not protect the wealth of ethnic Chinese merchants. Hence they need to go and be replaced by Yang Zhu and relevant Anglo & Jewish morals.
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Postby GermanNationalRepublic » Sat Jan 02, 2021 2:49 pm

Nakena wrote:
GermanNationalRepublic wrote:MERCHANTS, whereas its normal Jews being attacked


Lebanese and Indian merchants in Africa got then and now target. Most infamously Idi Amin threw out the indian merchants from Uganda.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expulsion ... rom_Uganda

While sad, were talking about China.

But, yes, I don’t think any nation should do that unless its bad for them, which im sure they will be able to figure out
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Postby Adamede » Sat Jan 02, 2021 2:50 pm

Elsa De Arendelle wrote:
Northern Poland wrote:Referring to this..China doesn't have the naval ability to even land enough troops in the Western US to make an Invasion viable, not to mention the 7th, 3rd, and 4th fleets, which are in the way of an invasion

(Corrected Carrier groups to fleets)


Doesn't have naval ability? China is a fisheating culture. The Battle of Chi Bi was the biggest naval battle in history and their country was in turmoil at the time. Imagine what current China can afford in terms of number/quality of ships today.

Oh, don't forget the planes. They didn't have that back then.

They can’t beat out the American navy in a straight fight.

And even if they could, the geological position of the United States, being the only true power of its hemisphere which is sow rated form the rest of the world by the two largest oceans in the world, combined with the fact that modern technology doesn’t allow any invading force to land a military force large enough to hold a beach head in the United States, on top of the fact that the geography of the United States makes an invasion difficult by itself, on top of the fact that the United States has the second largest stockpile of nuclear weapons and the largest operational nuclear arsenal, leads to a nation that cannot be invaded.

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Nekostan-e Gharbi
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Postby Nekostan-e Gharbi » Sat Jan 02, 2021 2:50 pm

GermanNationalRepublic wrote:
Nakena wrote:
Lebanese and Indian merchants in Africa got then and now target. Most infamously Idi Amin threw out the indian merchants from Uganda.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expulsion ... rom_Uganda

While sad, were talking about China.

But, yes, I don’t think any nation should do that unless its bad for them, which im sure they will be able to figure out


It’s a comparable problem. Ethnic Chinese merchants are even more widespread than Gujarati Indian and Lebanese ones. How many anti-Chinese pogroms do you think exist? China due to its Confucian, legalist and communist anti-trade traditions, doesn’t care. This is why China needs to be abolished and one or multiple Israel-like states need to be established to protect the diaspora in places without the rule of law. These Israel-like states need to be liberal democratic, allied with Anglos and Israel and can dissuade pogroms.

I didn’t lie when I said “Abolish China and save lives.” I was serious.
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Welcome to the Nekostan-e Gharbi. Our ancestors were a group of genetically enhanced Israeli cats raised by two Iranian Jewish women, Rachel Davidi and Esther Moshel. We are a constitutional monarchy where a line of benevolent and powerless feline queens “guide” the citizens or more precisely are the subject of their constant gossiping.

Current Queen: Sarah IV (House of Moshel)
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Abolish China and save lives.
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Must read on China by David Goldman https://www.tabletmag.com/amp/sections/ ... ina-empire

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Postby Nekostan-e Gharbi » Sat Jan 02, 2021 2:57 pm

Nakena wrote:
GermanNationalRepublic wrote:MERCHANTS, whereas its normal Jews being attacked


Lebanese and Indian merchants in Africa got then and now target. Most infamously Idi Amin threw out the indian merchants from Uganda.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expulsion ... rom_Uganda


Moral of the story: Why Israel has to exist and why mercantile tribes in general need pro-trade states.

Ze’ev Jabotinsky was right.

The need to abolish China is really just an application of Jabotinsky’s principle since China occupies the ecological niche variants of Israel should be. “Israel rocks” and “China sucks” are not independent statements for China is in this sense the exact opposite of Israel, that is, Israel is a refuge for an intellectual and mercantile culture while China is exactly the opposite, that is, an anti-refuge (a place people run away from) for another intellectual and mercantile culture.
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Welcome to the Nekostan-e Gharbi. Our ancestors were a group of genetically enhanced Israeli cats raised by two Iranian Jewish women, Rachel Davidi and Esther Moshel. We are a constitutional monarchy where a line of benevolent and powerless feline queens “guide” the citizens or more precisely are the subject of their constant gossiping.

Current Queen: Sarah IV (House of Moshel)
Current Prime Minister: Dr. Elisheva Cohen (she is fine with Elizabeth for non-Hebrew speakers) from Likud
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Abolish China and save lives.
What is Sinostatism?
Must read on China by David Goldman https://www.tabletmag.com/amp/sections/ ... ina-empire

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The Astrocracy
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Postby The Astrocracy » Sat Jan 02, 2021 3:28 pm

If you're hoping for an era of global peace and cooperation, you're backing the wrong horse.
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Postby The Marlborough » Sat Jan 02, 2021 3:31 pm

Nekostan-e Gharbi wrote:
The Lone Alliance wrote:China can only sustain itself when the rest of the world allows it and the rest of the world has started to realize the costs of sustaining China.

Eventually it'll come to a head and violence will happen.


It has to happen.

We should ponder why slavery had to be abolished. The existence of slavery anywhere threatens free labor everywhere and that slavery as an institution inherently increases the amount of authoritarianism even among non-slaves.

Now we can talk about why China must be abolished. The 2,200-year-old Sinostatist tradition starting from Qin and the infamous Machiavellian “reformer”, Shang Yang, treats human lives as having zero value.

You've declared yourself to be a Social Darwinist, that advancements are made with skulls, and that morality doesn't really have a place. Now you want to start talking about human life having value and about morals?
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Postby The Marlborough » Sat Jan 02, 2021 3:49 pm

GermanNationalRepublic wrote:
Nekostan-e Gharbi wrote:
It is still derived from the deadly Qin dynasty and hence is as legitimate as referring to Germany as “Federal Republic of Naziland”. I do think the word “China” is pretty descriptive when applied to the current regime though.

Ok then, tell me: How many people did the Qin kill?

Nobody knows. The Qin Wars of Unification probably killed ~700,000 people (similar to the Second Punic War around the same time).
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Postby The New California Republic » Sat Jan 02, 2021 4:22 pm

The Astrocracy wrote:If you're hoping for an era of global peace and cooperation, you're backing the wrong horse.

Given that China still has a policy of taking Taiwan by any means necessary, and has been building military bases on illegal artificial islands in the nine-dash line, you are absolutely right.
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Postby Tokora » Sat Jan 02, 2021 4:53 pm

Any chance of either the EU or India taking to initiative to at least try to counter China on the world stage? I'd even settle for Russia at this point.

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Postby Bearkid » Sat Jan 02, 2021 4:58 pm

Nakena wrote:
Duvniask wrote:Telling about what? My refusal to engage with his garbled nonsense beyond what was an easy reference to an earlier post of mine?


So basically you have no argument here to offer at all? I mean I am almost disppointed.

I mean we can debate whether or not "China" is problematic. I have less an issue with it. I am a supporter of the Republic of China. (aka Nationalist China/KMT/Taiwan)

So what else you got?

However if you think China ruled by CPC is terrible I have to say KMT is worse.That's why Chinese chose CPC and supported it beat KMT.

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Postby Cordel One » Sat Jan 02, 2021 5:04 pm

Nekostan-e Gharbi wrote:
GermanNationalRepublic wrote:*Also: The Third World is being bribed by China


China and the Chinese are mortal enemies. Did China ever stop aiding countries where pogroms happened? No.

That’s another reason for abolishing China. The Confucian, legalist and communist traditions can not protect the wealth of ethnic Chinese merchants. Hence they need to go and be replaced by Yang Zhu and relevant Anglo & Jewish morals.

Confucianism, legamism, and state capitalism need to go, but China should not adopt Western "morals".

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Postby Picairn » Sat Jan 02, 2021 5:44 pm

Elsa De Arendelle wrote:Once the USA dies from the inside, the first country China will annihilate will be Vietnam (revenge about nothing - this poor little country can never catch a break). India and all the other neighbors will try to jump into the fray, but they will fail. Then, China will secure its foothold on the USA. They will march through our streets just like the Christians dreamt about.

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This is why we should live it up now while times are good.

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Postby Bearkid » Sat Jan 02, 2021 5:56 pm

I'm a supporter of Marxism.I think most of people don't really understand Marxism at all.That's why they think marxism is wrong.In fact Marx solved our problems in his books.It is said that the more you learn Marxism,the more you seen it to be right.

For example,most of people think socialist countries deamage environment beacuse they are socialist.However, Marx thought tiring to control environment is wrong.His example about Swiss reclaimed farmland in forests at the southern foot of the albis mountains.They didn't know their behavior would deamge alpine animal husbandry of the albis mountains and cause flood soon.this example show that Marx thought we need to protect environment.

As for why many socialist countries need to develop heavy industry first.There are many other reasons,Marxism support it.

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Postby Sicilian Imperial-Capitalist Empire » Sat Jan 02, 2021 6:07 pm

Bearkid wrote:I'm a supporter of Marxism.I think most of people don't really understand Marxism at all.That's why they think marxism is wrong.In fact Marx solved our problems in his books.It is said that the more you learn Marxism,the more you seen it to be right.

For example,most of people think socialist countries deamage environment beacuse they are socialist.However, Marx thought tiring to control environment is wrong.His example about Swiss reclaimed farmland in forests at the southern foot of the albis mountains.They didn't know their behavior would deamge alpine animal husbandry of the albis mountains and cause flood soon.this example show that Marx thought we need to protect environment.

As for why many socialist countries need to develop heavy industry first.There are many other reasons,Marxism support it.

...ok, and what does this have to do with China? China isn't exactly well... communist anymore.
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Postby The New California Republic » Sat Jan 02, 2021 6:12 pm

Bearkid wrote:I'm a supporter of Marxism.I think most of people don't really understand Marxism at all.That's why they think marxism is wrong.In fact Marx solved our problems in his books.It is said that the more you learn Marxism,the more you seen it to be right.

For example,most of people think socialist countries deamage environment beacuse they are socialist.However, Marx thought tiring to control environment is wrong.His example about Swiss reclaimed farmland in forests at the southern foot of the albis mountains.They didn't know their behavior would deamge alpine animal husbandry of the albis mountains and cause flood soon.this example show that Marx thought we need to protect environment.

As for why many socialist countries need to develop heavy industry first.There are many other reasons,Marxism support it.

...If Marx actually saw the direction that China has been going then he'd probably vomit at the spuriousness of it all.
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Postby Adamede » Sat Jan 02, 2021 6:46 pm

Bearkid wrote:I'm a supporter of Marxism.I think most of people don't really understand Marxism at all.That's why they think marxism is wrong.In fact Marx solved our problems in his books.It is said that the more you learn Marxism,the more you seen it to be right.

For example,most of people think socialist countries deamage environment beacuse they are socialist.However, Marx thought tiring to control environment is wrong.His example about Swiss reclaimed farmland in forests at the southern foot of the albis mountains.They didn't know their behavior would deamge alpine animal husbandry of the albis mountains and cause flood soon.this example show that Marx thought we need to protect environment.

As for why many socialist countries need to develop heavy industry first.There are many other reasons,Marxism support it.

What does any of that have to do with China?

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Postby Nekostan-e Gharbi » Sat Jan 02, 2021 7:15 pm

Cordel One wrote:
Nekostan-e Gharbi wrote:
China and the Chinese are mortal enemies. Did China ever stop aiding countries where pogroms happened? No.

That’s another reason for abolishing China. The Confucian, legalist and communist traditions can not protect the wealth of ethnic Chinese merchants. Hence they need to go and be replaced by Yang Zhu and relevant Anglo & Jewish morals.

Confucianism, legamism, and state capitalism need to go, but China should not adopt Western "morals".


These are what actually work.
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Postby Nakena » Sat Jan 02, 2021 7:19 pm

Cordel One wrote:
Nekostan-e Gharbi wrote:
China and the Chinese are mortal enemies. Did China ever stop aiding countries where pogroms happened? No.

That’s another reason for abolishing China. The Confucian, legalist and communist traditions can not protect the wealth of ethnic Chinese merchants. Hence they need to go and be replaced by Yang Zhu and relevant Anglo & Jewish morals.

Confucianism, legamism, and state capitalism need to go, but China should not adopt Western "morals".


What would you define as western "morals"?

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Postby Cordel One » Sat Jan 02, 2021 7:23 pm

Nakena wrote:
Cordel One wrote:Confucianism, legamism, and state capitalism need to go, but China should not adopt Western "morals".


What would you define as western "morals"?

hamburger hot dog imperialism religion oil Israel

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Postby Nakena » Sat Jan 02, 2021 7:26 pm

Cordel One wrote:religion


Which religion you mean?

I am just wanting to be sure that I get you right.

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Postby Cordel One » Sat Jan 02, 2021 7:28 pm

Nakena wrote:
Cordel One wrote:religion


Which religion you mean?

I am just wanting to be sure that I get you right.

Evangelical Christianity.

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Postby Nakena » Sat Jan 02, 2021 7:31 pm

Cordel One wrote:
Nakena wrote:
Which religion you mean?

I am just wanting to be sure that I get you right.

Evangelical Christianity.


Thanks, I hate it too. :lol:

Hot Dogs are cool though.

But your list seems to be from the bush years. :unsure:
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Postby Cordel One » Sat Jan 02, 2021 7:34 pm

Nakena wrote:
Cordel One wrote:Evangelical Christianity.


Thanks, I hate it too. :lol:

Hot Dogs are cool though.

But your list seems to be from the bush years. :unsure:

You're right, neoconservatism is losing ground to the Trump personality cult.

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Postby Atheris » Sat Jan 02, 2021 7:38 pm

Cordel One wrote:
Nakena wrote:
Thanks, I hate it too. :lol:

Hot Dogs are cool though.

But your list seems to be from the bush years. :unsure:

You're right, neoconservatism is losing ground to the Trump personality cult.

The Trumpist crowd are losing ground from what I've seen.
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