The Rise of China

[Sykar Socialist]

What do you think of China?
1.ROC is good, but PRC is Really Bad. ROC is True China.

2.China is CCP, ROC and PRC are very suck.

3.PRC is an International threat. ROC is good.

[Nekostan-e Gharbi]

So today I googled "sinostatism" because I'd never heard the term before Nekostan repeatedly ranted about it in just about every thread here. It only came back to me with 2 websites, so it looks like Nekostan might be the only person on the face of the earth to use that term.

If you read Chinese history you will find that China is historically extremely weak in foreign wars. In fact it can barely defeat much smaller Vietnam and Korea. Moreover it never had and still does not have a specialized class of warriors nor does the society respect its soldiers. So it clearly does not oppress through militarism.

China does sometimes oppress through tribalism but its internal unity is below zero. That is, you are treated worse by any iteration of China if you are Chinese compared to non-Chinese. We can compare ethnostates to army ants. Using the same analogy China on the other hand is comparable to a swarm of locusts. Locusts hate each other and will even try to eat each other. Yet due to balance of terror among locusts a swarm of locusts are actually as effective in destruction as a raid of army ants.

Since Chinese treat other Chinese worse than non-Chinese the optimal evolutionary strategy of ethnic Chinese is very counterintuitive: getting as far away from China as possible, marrying out, avoiding other ethnic Chinese and trying to support one’s spouse’s ethnic group no matter what it is. We can name it the Michelle Markin Strategy.

[Nekostan-e Gharbi]

What do you think of China?
1.ROC is good, but PRC is Really Bad. ROC is True China.

2.China is CCP, ROC and PRC are very suck.

3.PRC is an International threat. ROC is good.

Any iteration of China sucks.

[Albrenia]

What do you think of China?
1.ROC is good, but PRC is Really Bad. ROC is True China.

2.China is CCP, ROC and PRC are very suck.

3.PRC is an International threat. ROC is good.

Any iteration of China sucks.

I mean, a democratic, secular and free China would be pretty fucking cool.

[Nekostan-e Gharbi]

Any iteration of China sucks.

I mean, a democratic, secular and free China would be pretty fucking cool.

Yes. However there is a reason why this hasn’t happened it. China is very good at meeting people’s ambitions. So it tends to co-opt those who in other societies would have been revolting. Revolts also happen in China but they tend to only happen when people starve to death en masse.

[Yuzu China]

So today I googled "sinostatism" because I'd never heard the term before Nekostan repeatedly ranted about it in just about every thread here. It only came back to me with 2 websites, so it looks like Nekostan might be the only person on the face of the earth to use that term.

Since Chinese treat other Chinese worse than non-Chinese the optimal evolutionary strategy of ethnic Chinese is very counterintuitive: getting as far away from China as possible, marrying out, avoiding other ethnic Chinese and trying to support one’s spouse’s ethnic group no matter what it is. We can name it the Michelle Markin Strategy.

And this is where we stop taking you seriously, asides from you repeating your bizarre rants for the umpteenth time.

Rather than waste my time debunking you (again!), I think you're describing yourself here. Jerusalem Post: "My foray shows there are problems with the Jewish dating pool, abuse, insanity, and criminality, much can be attributed to the men as much as their parents especially the mothers who raised them to treat a woman as objects without any respect." https://www.jpost.com/blogs/history-and ... tes-521511

And "...only half of American Jews aged 25-54 are married, most of them to non-Jews." https://www.haaretz.com/us-news/.premiu ... -1.5482043

[Nekostan-e Gharbi]

Since Chinese treat other Chinese worse than non-Chinese the optimal evolutionary strategy of ethnic Chinese is very counterintuitive: getting as far away from China as possible, marrying out, avoiding other ethnic Chinese and trying to support one’s spouse’s ethnic group no matter what it is. We can name it the Michelle Markin Strategy.

And this is where we stop taking you seriously, asides from you repeating your bizarre rants for the umpteenth time.

Rather than waste my time debunking you (again!), I think you're describing yourself here. Jerusalem Post: "My foray shows there are problems with the Jewish dating pool, abuse, insanity, and criminality, much can be attributed to the men as much as their parents especially the mothers who raised them to treat a woman as objects without any respect." https://www.jpost.com/blogs/history-and ... tes-521511

And "...only half of American Jews aged 25-54 are married, most of them to non-Jews." https://www.haaretz.com/us-news/.premiu ... -1.5482043

China will be abolished no matter whether you want to.

[Picairn]

China will be abolished no matter whether you want to.

Lmao.

[Nekostan-e Gharbi]

China will be abolished no matter whether you want to.

Lmao.

WWIII will happen. Unlike Germany and Japan which earned respect through tech and courage despite losing WWII WWIII may not even be interesting to watch as the war will almost entirely happen within China. US will take out communist leadership in China. Instead of causing something similar to the end of WWII complete chaos much worse than anything that we have witnessed in the Middle East will happen. Numerous bandits in China will murder lots of civilians and release WMDs on each other. Bioweapons such as Ebola will decimate the entire world, leading to serious demographic decline worldwide. Yet most of the destruction will happen within China. The rest of humanity decides that China has to be abolished so that it can never decimate places as remote as Iceland and Ghana again. Starving bandits in China will take tens of millions of UN soldiers to pacify. Eventually after at least 100 million humans outside China and one billion in China have perished China will be abolished. The diseases released by China will take at least 10-20 years to clean up in the entire world but thanks to the COVID response the world will eventually be cleansed of China-sourced diseases and future humans will no longer have to deal with illnesses such as Ebola and Lassa Virus.

Alternatively after 70-90% of the population in China and maybe 20-90% of the rest of the world perished a new dictatorship founded by a brutal survivor of diseases such as Ebola, Lassa, West Nile etc will rise and re-develop nukes and other WMD before the rest of the world could recover and attempt to abolish China. Since people no longer want even more deaths the existence of China would be reluctantly acknowledged and the cycle repeats until China is finally abolished.

Abolish China before China abolishes humanity along with itself.

[Picairn]

WWIII will happen. Unlike Germany and Japan which earned respect through tech and courage despite losing WWII WWIII may not even be interesting to watch as the war will almost entirely happen within China. US will take out communist leadership in China. Instead of causing something similar to the end of WWII complete chaos much worse than anything that we have witnessed in the Middle East will happen. Numerous bandits in China will murder lots of civilians and release WMDs on each other. Bioweapons such as Ebola will decimate the entire world, leading to serious demographic decline worldwide. Yet most of the destruction will happen within China. The rest of humanity decides that China has to be abolished so that it can never decimate places as remote as Iceland and Ghana again. Starving bandits in China will take tens of millions of UN soldiers to pacify. Eventually after at least 100 million humans outside China and one billion in China have perished China will be abolished. The diseases released by China will take at least 10-20 years to clean up in the entire world but thanks to the COVID response the world will eventually be cleansed of China-sourced diseases and future humans will no longer have to deal with illnesses such as Ebola and Lassa Virus.

Alternatively after 70-90% of the population in China and maybe 20-90% of the rest of the world perished a new dictatorship founded by a brutal survivor of diseases such as Ebola, Lassa, West Nile etc will rise and re-develop nukes and other WMD before the rest of the world could recover and attempt to abolish China. Since people no longer want even more deaths the existence of China would be reluctantly acknowledged and the cycle repeats until China is finally abolished.

Abolish China before China abolishes humanity along with itself.

Or you can just play HOI4.

Call me when WW3 happens. I'm afraid all of us will die before it even manifests, if it ever would.

[Nekostan-e Gharbi]

WWIII will happen. Unlike Germany and Japan which earned respect through tech and courage despite losing WWII WWIII may not even be interesting to watch as the war will almost entirely happen within China. US will take out communist leadership in China. Instead of causing something similar to the end of WWII complete chaos much worse than anything that we have witnessed in the Middle East will happen. Numerous bandits in China will murder lots of civilians and release WMDs on each other. Bioweapons such as Ebola will decimate the entire world, leading to serious demographic decline worldwide. Yet most of the destruction will happen within China. The rest of humanity decides that China has to be abolished so that it can never decimate places as remote as Iceland and Ghana again. Starving bandits in China will take tens of millions of UN soldiers to pacify. Eventually after at least 100 million humans outside China and one billion in China have perished China will be abolished. The diseases released by China will take at least 10-20 years to clean up in the entire world but thanks to the COVID response the world will eventually be cleansed of China-sourced diseases and future humans will no longer have to deal with illnesses such as Ebola and Lassa Virus.

Alternatively after 70-90% of the population in China and maybe 20-90% of the rest of the world perished a new dictatorship founded by a brutal survivor of diseases such as Ebola, Lassa, West Nile etc will rise and re-develop nukes and other WMD before the rest of the world could recover and attempt to abolish China. Since people no longer want even more deaths the existence of China would be reluctantly acknowledged and the cycle repeats until China is finally abolished.

Abolish China before China abolishes humanity along with itself.

Or you can just play HOI4.

Call me when WW3 happens. I'm afraid all of us will die before it even manifests, if it ever would.

“WWIII” may be a misnomer. What is more likely to happen is sudden all-out WMD attacks by either the Xi regime or by some bandits in a Chinese civil war that will lead to mass cannibalism, mutual nuking and other phenomenon that will make the word “China” sounds much more horrifying than even “Nazism”, “Communism” and “terrorism” combined. So there are at least 2 distinct phenomena: Chinese civil war and WMD attack of unknown Chinese origins. The latter will lead to very horrible human losses and will take decades to recover.

Ironically the China attack will have one unexpected benefit, which is significant decline in the average temperature of Planet Earth as well as significantly reduced carbon emission. Nuclear Winter aka China Winter will happen.

Humanity will continue to exist especially in Sub-Saharan Africa. However modern civilization will temporarily end until maybe Nigeria recovers it. It’s possible that the history of China era will no longer be remembered.

Future humans will say: “Never again shall a China be born. Never again shall a China exist. The abolition needs to be final, permanent and irreversible.”

[-Ocelot-]

It's a shame we can't have a nuanced debate about China, but instead we just get this 'China needs to be abolished' horseshit over and over again.

I think you misunderstood. Very few people want the dissolution of China as a country. What most people want is the dissolution of the CCP and, by extent, the ceasing of their imperialist activities in their region. What drives people to say this is that the CCP wants to annex Taiwan, HK, Macau, India's border regions and control all other neighbors by force, which is obviously horrible.

To give you an analogy, think of Sweden trying to annex Finland by force while claiming "Finland isn't a real nation anyway" and at the same time trying to financially colonize Denmark, Norway and Iceland. While also demanding regions in northern Poland, Germany and the Baltics. Everyone would consider this unacceptable, but when China does the same it's somehow debatable.

[Nekostan-e Sharqi]

It's a shame we can't have a nuanced debate about China, but instead we just get this 'China needs to be abolished' horseshit over and over again.

I think you misunderstood. Very few people want the dissolution of China as a country. What most people want is the dissolution of the CCP and, by extent, the ceasing of their imperialist activities in their region. What drives people to say this is that the CCP wants to annex Taiwan, HK, Macau, India's border regions and control all other neighbors by force, which is obviously horrible.

To give you an analogy, think of Sweden trying to annex Finland by force while claiming "Finland isn't a real nation anyway" and at the same time trying to financially colonize Denmark, Norway and Iceland. While also demanding regions in northern Poland, Germany and the Baltics. Everyone would consider this unacceptable, but when China does the same it's somehow debatable.

The problem here is that the nature of China itself, with or without the CCP, inevitably leads to serious corruption in the world. Imperialism is not a necessary component of horrors caused by China outside its borders. As long as China continues to exist it will keep lowering the level of human rights worldwide, develop mass surveillance tech and destroy labor rights. The egalitarian-authoritarian society itself leads to these things. Even dismantling China proper into 15 states will merely lead to a more decentralized form of the same phenomenon with comparable effects. This is why just like De-Nazification and De-Communization De-Sinostatization is necessary.

[Albrenia]

It's a shame we can't have a nuanced debate about China, but instead we just get this 'China needs to be abolished' horseshit over and over again.

I think you misunderstood. Very few people want the dissolution of China as a country. What most people want is the dissolution of the CCP and, by extent, the ceasing of their imperialist activities in their region. What drives people to say this is that the CCP wants to annex Taiwan, HK, Macau, India's border regions and control all other neighbors by force, which is obviously horrible.

To give you an analogy, think of Sweden trying to annex Finland by force while claiming "Finland isn't a real nation anyway" and at the same time trying to financially colonize Denmark, Norway and Iceland. While also demanding regions in northern Poland, Germany and the Baltics. Everyone would consider this unacceptable, but when China does the same it's somehow debatable.

Funny (only, you know, not funny at all) what one can get away with when everyone's economy would take a nosedive if the Chinese trade stopped. Really only since the Pandemic has the government of my own Australia stopped being a total bitch just for that sweet trade money.

[Nekostan-e Sharqi]

I think you misunderstood. Very few people want the dissolution of China as a country. What most people want is the dissolution of the CCP and, by extent, the ceasing of their imperialist activities in their region. What drives people to say this is that the CCP wants to annex Taiwan, HK, Macau, India's border regions and control all other neighbors by force, which is obviously horrible.

To give you an analogy, think of Sweden trying to annex Finland by force while claiming "Finland isn't a real nation anyway" and at the same time trying to financially colonize Denmark, Norway and Iceland. While also demanding regions in northern Poland, Germany and the Baltics. Everyone would consider this unacceptable, but when China does the same it's somehow debatable.

Funny (only, you know, not funny at all) what one can get away with when everyone's economy would take a nosedive if the Chinese trade stopped. Really only since the Pandemic has the government of my own Australia stopped being a total bitch just for that sweet trade money.

China doesn’t conquer the world. Instead it corrupts the world. A large part of its harm is merely amoral China inadvertently causing the world to lose virtues China doesn’t even recognize, such as integrity. This is how China remakes the world in its own, evil image.

[Albrenia]

Funny (only, you know, not funny at all) what one can get away with when everyone's economy would take a nosedive if the Chinese trade stopped. Really only since the Pandemic has the government of my own Australia stopped being a total bitch just for that sweet trade money.

China doesn’t conquer the world. Instead it corrupts the world. A large part of its harm is merely amoral China inadvertently causing the world to lose virtues China doesn’t even recognize, such as integrity.

We get it, you think Chinese people are Orcs from Lord of the Rings.

[Nekostan-e Sharqi]

China doesn’t conquer the world. Instead it corrupts the world. A large part of its harm is merely amoral China inadvertently causing the world to lose virtues China doesn’t even recognize, such as integrity.

We get it, you think Chinese people are Orcs from Lord of the Rings.

You can say whatever you want but in reality as long as China exists no matter what it does there will always be trouble. Optimally China has to be abolished. If not achievable for now it at least needs to be 100% blockaded with zero imports or exports allowed at any cost. The latter will cause China to implode. As long as the world monitors the borders of China for leakage damage will be contained in China. Wait for another 30 years and roll in which will realize the abolition.

[Albrenia]

We get it, you think Chinese people are Orcs from Lord of the Rings.

You can say whatever you want but in reality as long as China exists no matter what it does there will always be trouble. Optimally China has to be abolished. If not achievable for now it at least needs to be 100% blockaded with zero imports or exports allowed at any cost. The latter will cause China to implode. As long as the world monitors the borders of China for leakage damage will be contained in China. Wait for another 30 years and roll in which will realize the abolition.

You know hating the Chinese government is a bit of a pet thing of mine, so I really want to agree with you, I just don't accept that -any- group of humans are inherently bad. The Chinese people are not inferior - oppressed and brainwashed most likely, but they're still people and I'm sure there's people in that hellhole who are really good people despite all the pressures encouraging them not to be.

[Nekostan-e Sharqi]

You can say whatever you want but in reality as long as China exists no matter what it does there will always be trouble. Optimally China has to be abolished. If not achievable for now it at least needs to be 100% blockaded with zero imports or exports allowed at any cost. The latter will cause China to implode. As long as the world monitors the borders of China for leakage damage will be contained in China. Wait for another 30 years and roll in which will realize the abolition.

You know hating the Chinese government is a bit of a pet thing of mine, so I really want to agree with you, I just don't accept that -any- group of humans are inherently bad. The Chinese people are not inferior - oppressed and brainwashed most likely, but they're still people and I'm sure there's people in that hellhole who are really good people despite all the pressures encouraging them not to be.

There are lots of good people in places such as Africa since they are actually historically a lot less brutal than China. On the other hand even old imperial China had social systems that deliberately made people evil. You should look up a person named Shang Yang who was a proto-Machiavelli. China has been governed by sociopathic policies since 221 BCE which is very different from 12 years of Nazism or 70 years of Communism. The thing is that good people largely can not exist in China maybe except for Tibetans, Uyghurs and certain house church / mosque / Buddhist temple members.

The people in China are sure as hell not inferior, just mostly evil due to more than 2,200 years of selection against morality.

[Sykar Socialist]

What do you think of China?
1.ROC is good, but PRC is Really Bad. ROC is True China.

2.China is CCP, ROC and PRC are very suck.

3.PRC is an International threat. ROC is good.

You can just say 1or2or3.

[-Ocelot-]

Funny (only, you know, not funny at all) what one can get away with when everyone's economy would take a nosedive if the Chinese trade stopped. Really only since the Pandemic has the government of my own Australia stopped being a total bitch just for that sweet trade money.

China doesn’t conquer the world. Instead it corrupts the world. A large part of its harm is merely amoral China inadvertently causing the world to lose virtues China doesn’t even recognize, such as integrity. This is how China remakes the world in its own, evil image.

This isn't entirely true. The CCP is trying to conquer nations, but it's currently doing on with ethnicities within their borders, namely the Tibetans and Uyghurs, which they want to replace with Han. Once they finish eradicating them, they may start doing the same in the African countries they are trying to colonize.

[Cordel One]

The people in China are sure as hell not inferior, just mostly evil due to more than 2,200 years of selection against morality.

Uh...

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

The people in China are sure as hell not inferior, just mostly evil due to more than 2,200 years of selection against morality.

Uh...

It's Nekostan. His ideas of how the world and Asia in particular works are practically married to Wilhelm the Last's turboracism.

[Lemmingry]

Lmao.

WWIII will happen. Unlike Germany and Japan which earned respect through tech and courage despite losing WWII WWIII may not even be interesting to watch as the war will almost entirely happen within China. US will take out communist leadership in China. Instead of causing something similar to the end of WWII complete chaos much worse than anything that we have witnessed in the Middle East will happen. Numerous bandits in China will murder lots of civilians and release WMDs on each other. Bioweapons such as Ebola will decimate the entire world, leading to serious demographic decline worldwide. Yet most of the destruction will happen within China. The rest of humanity decides that China has to be abolished so that it can never decimate places as remote as Iceland and Ghana again. Starving bandits in China will take tens of millions of UN soldiers to pacify. Eventually after at least 100 million humans outside China and one billion in China have perished China will be abolished. The diseases released by China will take at least 10-20 years to clean up in the entire world but thanks to the COVID response the world will eventually be cleansed of China-sourced diseases and future humans will no longer have to deal with illnesses such as Ebola and Lassa Virus.

Alternatively after 70-90% of the population in China and maybe 20-90% of the rest of the world perished a new dictatorship founded by a brutal survivor of diseases such as Ebola, Lassa, West Nile etc will rise and re-develop nukes and other WMD before the rest of the world could recover and attempt to abolish China. Since people no longer want even more deaths the existence of China would be reluctantly acknowledged and the cycle repeats until China is finally abolished.

Abolish China before China abolishes humanity along with itself.

So, like, when China is abolished, will the diseases that sprung up from that geography stop existing? Also, I am pretty sure Ebola, Lassa, and West Nile Virus were all first discovered in Africa. Also, when China is abolished, what do we do with the remaining lands? Do we balkanise it or will the neigbouring countries grab some for themselves? I have so many questions, please answer.

[The Horror Channel]

WWIII will happen. Unlike Germany and Japan which earned respect through tech and courage despite losing WWII WWIII may not even be interesting to watch as the war will almost entirely happen within China. US will take out communist leadership in China. Instead of causing something similar to the end of WWII complete chaos much worse than anything that we have witnessed in the Middle East will happen. Numerous bandits in China will murder lots of civilians and release WMDs on each other. Bioweapons such as Ebola will decimate the entire world, leading to serious demographic decline worldwide. Yet most of the destruction will happen within China. The rest of humanity decides that China has to be abolished so that it can never decimate places as remote as Iceland and Ghana again. Starving bandits in China will take tens of millions of UN soldiers to pacify. Eventually after at least 100 million humans outside China and one billion in China have perished China will be abolished. The diseases released by China will take at least 10-20 years to clean up in the entire world but thanks to the COVID response the world will eventually be cleansed of China-sourced diseases and future humans will no longer have to deal with illnesses such as Ebola and Lassa Virus.

Alternatively after 70-90% of the population in China and maybe 20-90% of the rest of the world perished a new dictatorship founded by a brutal survivor of diseases such as Ebola, Lassa, West Nile etc will rise and re-develop nukes and other WMD before the rest of the world could recover and attempt to abolish China. Since people no longer want even more deaths the existence of China would be reluctantly acknowledged and the cycle repeats until China is finally abolished.

Abolish China before China abolishes humanity along with itself.

So, like, when China is abolished, will the diseases that sprung up from that geography stop existing? Also, I am pretty sure Ebola, Lassa, and West Nile Virus were all first discovered in Africa. Also, when China is abolished, what do we do with the remaining lands? Do we balkanise it or will the neigbouring countries grab some for themselves? I have so many questions, please answer.

The only answer you'll get is "CHINA BAD!!!!!!11!!!!!1!!!"