The Rise of China

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

I meant your outrage. The outrage we all have. That's going to do jack and shit and continue to do jack and shit as long as we have neoliberals around.

Without neoliberals China will still remain China. The right approach is viewing China as something similar to Nazi Germany or American slavery, some entity that structurally distorts global social norms and that to protect these norms such entities have to be abolished.

With neoliberalism you will never get anywhere.

[Atheris]

I meant your outrage. The outrage we all have. That's going to do jack and shit and continue to do jack and shit as long as we have neoliberals around.

Without neoliberals China will still remain China. The right approach is viewing China as something similar to Nazi Germany or American slavery, some entity that structurally strongly distorts global social norms and that to protect these norms such entities have to be abolished.

For example the existence of China is inherently incompatible with the concept of human rights for it encourages everyone to take power at any costs and enjoy oppressing others as opposed to standing for shared norms and equal rights (e.g. civil rights movement).

I'll be damned. Your average joe actually advocating neoliberalism? Now I've seen everything.

[Kexholm Karelia]

It's not going to matter. At all.

Exactly. A people who themselves are regularly mistreated by the state for no reason is not going to be empathetic to even members of the same ethnic group, let alone minorities. To the Chinese governments are basically not very different from forces of nature. You don’t blame earthquakes when they kill people since earthquakes are just going to happen and no matter what you do you can’t stop them. Same for tyranny.

If that was true, events from Chinese history such as the Yellow Turban Rebellion, Xinhai Revolution, and Tianmen Square would’ve never happened

[Nekostan-e Gharbi]

Exactly. A people who themselves are regularly mistreated by the state for no reason is not going to be empathetic to even members of the same ethnic group, let alone minorities. To the Chinese governments are basically not very different from forces of nature. You don’t blame earthquakes when they kill people since earthquakes are just going to happen and no matter what you do you can’t stop them. Same for tyranny.

If that was true, events from Chinese history such as the Yellow Turban Rebellion, Xinhai Revolution, and Tianmen Square would’ve never happened

Chinese revolts happen for a very different reason compared to non-Chinese revolutions. The point of a revolt is not to build a better society but simply to replace the current tyrants with oneself. Periodic revolts and civil wars are an integral part of Sinostatism as opposed to its alternatives.

[Atheris]

If that was true, events from Chinese history such as the Yellow Turban Rebellion, Xinhai Revolution, and Tianmen Square would’ve never happened

Chinese revolts happen for a very different reason compared to non-Chinese revolutions. The point of a revolt is not to build a better society but simply to replace the current tyrants with oneself.

Listen, dude, if you're ignorant about Chinese history just be a man and say it.

[Nekostan-e Gharbi]

Without neoliberals China will still remain China. The right approach is viewing China as something similar to Nazi Germany or American slavery, some entity that structurally strongly distorts global social norms and that to protect these norms such entities have to be abolished.

For example the existence of China is inherently incompatible with the concept of human rights for it encourages everyone to take power at any costs and enjoy oppressing others as opposed to standing for shared norms and equal rights (e.g. civil rights movement).

I'll be damned. Your average joe actually advocating neoliberalism? Now I've seen everything.

Abolish China for the sake of life.

[Atheris]

I'll be damned. Your average joe actually advocating neoliberalism? Now I've seen everything.

Abolish China for the sake of life.

Better idea: abolish neoliberalism for the sake of life. Abolish the PRC for the sake of China.

[Nekostan-e Gharbi]

Chinese revolts happen for a very different reason compared to non-Chinese revolutions. The point of a revolt is not to build a better society but simply to replace the current tyrants with oneself.

Listen, dude, if you're ignorant about Chinese history just be a man and say it.

I’m very aware of Chinese history. Have you heard of the Red Turban Rebellion? What kind of regimes did the peasant rebels create? What about Taiping Rebellion? The thing is: both the regime and Chinese rebels tend to be equally brutal and sadistic.

Even Mao was an advocate for Chinese democracy before he took power. If you think Chiang was an authoritarian and that Mao was a democracy activist who could lead to pluralism..we already know what happened. The numerous proto-tyrants today such as Liu Zhongjing and Guo Wengui are the Maos of the 21st century.

[Nekostan-e Gharbi]

Abolish China for the sake of life.

Better idea: abolish neoliberalism for the sake of life. Abolish the PRC for the sake of China.

China itself, with or without the communist party, needs to be abolished.

[Atheris]

Listen, dude, if you're ignorant about Chinese history just be a man and say it.

I’m very aware of Chinese history. Have you heard of the Red Turban Rebellion? What kind of regimes did the peasant rebels create?

The Red Turban rebellions overthrew the Mongol Yuan and established the Ming, which was responsible a period of Chinese golden ages in the Prosperous Age of Yongle and later the New Order of Chenghua.

[Nekostan-e Gharbi]

I’m very aware of Chinese history. Have you heard of the Red Turban Rebellion? What kind of regimes did the peasant rebels create?

The Red Turban rebellions overthrew the Mongol Yuan and established the Ming, which was responsible a period of Chinese golden ages in the Prosperous Age of Yongle and later the New Order of Chenghua.

Lol wut? How many people did Zhu Yuanzhang execute? Ever heard of the Hu Weiyong case and the Lan Yu case? The average Chinese ruler is literally worse than Hitler, Stalin and Baghdadi. China needs to be abolished since it consistently produces stable tyrannies that drastically lower the level of freedom in the rest of the world simply by existing.

[Nekostan-e Gharbi]

Sometimes horrible entities have to be eliminated because otherwise the norm corrosion they can cause is just way too serious.

[Atheris]

Sometimes horrible entities have to be eliminated because otherwise the norm corrosion they can cause is just way too serious.

But China is the norm. It's been the norm for about 5 or 6 millennia. It's one of the earliest civilizations to ever have existed, first existing (to our knowledge) in 1600 BCE with the Shan dynasty and to accepted Chinese history in 2070 BCE with the Xia dynasty.

[Nekostan-e Gharbi]

Sometimes horrible entities have to be eliminated because otherwise the norm corrosion they can cause is just way too serious.

But China is the norm. It's been the norm for about 5 millennia. It's one of the earliest civilizations to ever have existed, first existing (to our knowledge) in 1600 BCE.

How is China the norm? Where else on this planet has such a long, centralized, statist tradition that considers everyone to be shit? As long as China exists (since it is way too significant to not disturb global social norms) it is a threat not to one country or another but to the welfare of humanity since it says loudly “HUMAN LIVES DON’T MATTER! THE STRONG TAKES WHAT HE CAN AND THE WEAK SUFFERS WHAT HE MUST.”

[Atheris]

But China is the norm. It's been the norm for about 5 millennia. It's one of the earliest civilizations to ever have existed, first existing (to our knowledge) in 1600 BCE.

How is China the norm? Where else on this planet has such a long, centralized, statist tradition that considers everyone to be shit?

Boy, am I glad you asked.

- Japan's first Emperor was (allegedly) born in 660 BC.
- The Roman Republic was founded in 509 BC.
- The Russian Tsardom (and by extension the Russian Empire) was first established in 1547.
- The English Empire (and by extension the British Empire) was established in 1583.
- Korea was first established as an entity in 936.

Do I have to go on?

[Nekostan-e Gharbi]

How is China the norm? Where else on this planet has such a long, centralized, statist tradition that considers everyone to be shit?

Boy, am I glad you asked.

- Japan's first Emperor was (allegedly) born in 660 BC.
- The Roman Republic was founded in 509 BC.
- The Russian Tsardom (and by extension the Russian Empire) was first established in 1547.
- The English Empire (and by extension the British Empire) was established in 1583.
- Korea was first established as an entity in 936.

Do I have to go on?

So what? These places are generally nowhere as centralist and statist as China. China is a manifestation of social and political illness just like Nazi Germany, Soviet Union and ISIS.

[Atheris]

Boy, am I glad you asked.

- Japan's first Emperor was (allegedly) born in 660 BC.
- The Roman Republic was founded in 509 BC.
- The Russian Tsardom (and by extension the Russian Empire) was first established in 1547.
- The English Empire (and by extension the British Empire) was established in 1583.
- Korea was first established as an entity in 936.

Do I have to go on?

So what? These places are generally nowhere as centralist and statist as China. China is a manifestation of social and political illness just like Nazi Germany, Soviet Union and ISIS.

And here you've proven you have no clue what you're talking about.

[Nekostan-e Gharbi]

So what? These places are generally nowhere as centralist and statist as China. China is a manifestation of social and political illness just like Nazi Germany, Soviet Union and ISIS.

And here you've proven you have no clue what you're talking about.

That’s just ad hominem. The existence of China indicates lack of social health and has to be rectified.

[My Political Fantasy]

But China is the norm. It's been the norm for about 5 millennia. It's one of the earliest civilizations to ever have existed, first existing (to our knowledge) in 1600 BCE.

How is China the norm? Where else on this planet has such a long, centralized, statist tradition that considers everyone to be shit? As long as China exists (since it is way too significant to not disturb global social norms) it is a threat not to one country or another but to the welfare of humanity since it says loudly “HUMAN LIVES DON’T MATTER! THE STRONG TAKES WHAT HE CAN AND THE WEAK SUFFERS WHAT HE MUST.”

Why would getting rid of China solve the world's problems? Can't you say at least one POSITIVE thing(s) about Chinese people?

No, China isn't special in being "statist" in that regard. Other cultures and empires have bullied their subjects into converting or genociding people who are outside the social system.

[Atheris]

And here you've proven you have no clue what you're talking about.

That’s just ad hominem. The existence of China indicates lack of social health and has to be rectified.

No, it's not ad hominem. You've just shown that you have no idea what centralism or statism actually are.

The Roman Republic was an incredibly centralized state, especially in its later years under Caesar. The Tsardom of Russia gave us the title Autocrat, alongside other Slavic monarchs. The Japanese Empire was designed around revering the Emperor as a living God until 1946 and gave either him (after the Meiji Restoration) or the Shogun absolute power over the entire country. The British Empire was so statist that it decided to occupy Massachusetts and even shell the coastal cities and imprison American sailors over the "No taxation without representation!" protests which would lead to the Revolutionary War. Korea was founded on legalism, as shown in the Gyeonggukdaejeon which was written in the Joseon dynasty.

[Nekostan-e Gharbi]

How is China the norm? Where else on this planet has such a long, centralized, statist tradition that considers everyone to be shit? As long as China exists (since it is way too significant to not disturb global social norms) it is a threat not to one country or another but to the welfare of humanity since it says loudly “HUMAN LIVES DON’T MATTER! THE STRONG TAKES WHAT HE CAN AND THE WEAK SUFFERS WHAT HE MUST.”

Why would getting rid of China solve the world's problems? Can't you say at least one POSITIVE things about Chinese people?

No, China isn't special in being "statist" in that regard. Other cultures and empires have bullied their subjects into converting or genociding people who are outside the social system.

Because it will significantly increase the minimum human rights and labor standards on this planet. There are of course lots of positive things about Chinese people just like there are lots of positive things about German people. A mixture of positive and negative traits can often produce the worst horrors. It takes a mostly virtuous culture with a few things being very wrong, not a highly dysfunctional one, to screw up the world. Had Chinese people been a lot less frugal, peaceful, smart or hard-working China would not have been a force that could ruin human rights worldwide in the same sense that a variant of Germany that was not good at tech, ill-disciplined and less brave would not have been able to commit Shoah.

You can not understand my concerns since you conflate the problems of China with other problems you’re familiar with that are less serious in the long run. Problems in the other societies are that the rulership is not sufficiently inclusive and favors one tribe over another. The problem in China is that everyone treats everyone else like shit. It’s a completely different kind of problem.

[Raioge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mkk7OnxTacg&t=5s
This is True, Not False
What did CCP do?

[Nekostan-e Gharbi]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mkk7OnxTacg&t=5s
This is True, Not False
What did CCP do?

Just abolish China. A nation that obeys whoever treats them the worst needs a complete overhaul.

[Yuzu China]

Listen, dude, if you're ignorant about Chinese history just be a man and say it.

I’m very aware of Chinese history. Have you heard of the Red Turban Rebellion? What kind of regimes did the peasant rebels create? What about Taiping Rebellion? The thing is: both the regime and Chinese rebels tend to be equally brutal and sadistic.

Even Mao was an advocate for Chinese democracy before he took power. If you think Chiang was an authoritarian and that Mao was a democracy activist who could lead to pluralism..we already know what happened. The numerous proto-tyrants today such as Liu Zhongjing and Guo Wengui are the Maos of the 21st century.

1. As I corrected him/pointed out many times before, Nekostan doesn't know anything about Chinese politics, much less basic K-12 history. This is the guy who earlier said concentration camps/starving people to death are ok 「because it's not actually murder, something only the unenlightened Eastern Europeans do.」 You have just justified Guantanamo, something even Broadway's "Wicked" ( parody of George Bush) couldn't.


2. 劉仲敬, Alex Jones etc are of no importance. And unlike your Tea Partiers, I can live with the 「prototyrnany」 of Robin Hood/Wall Street even though walking around downtown San Francisco, with all those drug dealers/homeless defecating in the street I thought I was in a 3rd world country. I appreciate your "civil rights": You claim homosexual marriage in the name of civil rights, yet also claim that it's ok for them to starve homeless in the street. An abortion in the name of civil rights, but not the right to proper education such as S_x ed: case in point, "tampons are the bullets of satan": https://www.facebook.com/christiansagai ... 266757406/

Direct quote: 「Tampons make Jesus cry . Every time you use one, you are violating your body , losing your VIRGINITY before marriage, and increasing your risk of AIDS by 200% .

Have you been shot by SATAN'S BULLETS ? All users go to HELL .

Stay chaste and BAN TAMPONS NOW !!! - Agnes x」

Not just that, this is the much vaunted Free speech.

3. 「The point of a revolt is not to build a better society but simply to replace the current tyrants with oneself.」

Congratulations, you just realized what any revolt, USA's civil rights (look at Detroit), Soviet, ANC's South Africa, French, postColonial Africa, India/Pakistan, even USA's hypocritical 1776 revolution (literal slavery) etc revolutions (giant list) actually is. This is literally every revolution in world history in a nutshell: the house always wins. The better society, democracy or whatever slogan is for the people who are easily deceived. After all this history, do you even believe Palestinians?

I love the 1970s feminist revolt too, 「this is what a better society」 looks like: 「Heterosexuality exists only within the context of OPPRESSION, GENOCIDE or globally organized violence against women by men as a class. First, intercourse is NEVER sex for women. Only men experience rape as sexual and define it as such. If we look at the act in more detail, PIV is a man mounting on a woman to thrust a large member of himself into her most intimate parts, often forcing her to be entirely naked, banging himself against her with the whole weight of his body and hips, shaking her like he would stuff a corpse, then using her insides as a receptacle for his penile dejection. How is this a normal civilized, respectful way to treat anyone? Sorry for the explicit picture, but this is what it is and it’s absolutely revolting and violating.」

https://witchwind.wordpress.com/2013/12 ... s-rape-ok/

[Yuzu China]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mkk7OnxTacg&t=5s
This is True, Not False
What did CCP do?

Just abolish China. A nation that obeys whoever treats them the worst needs a complete overhaul.

You have just described a lot of countries on earth, except China.

This is why it's hard to take you seriously.