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Postby Nekostan-e Gharbi » Sat Jan 23, 2021 10:34 pm

To deal with traditionalist nonsense it is probably necessary to resort to something like this:

https://zhuanlan.zhihu.com/p/137561373

Moral of the story: never allow traditionalists to define or invent terms. Most people support or oppose stuff without digging into it. Instead they merely care about the tribal signaling hence wording matters even more than the content. The very fact that TCM is allowed to call itself 中医 (Chinese medicine) as opposed to 旧医 (old medicine) makes it impossible to rationally discuss the issue of effectiveness of TCM in China without screaming radical ethnats derailing it.

I know that many people who read a translated version of that would probably think about COVID denial and rejection of masks. Sigh. I feel for you.
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Postby Nekostan-e Gharbi » Sun Jan 24, 2021 9:43 am

Abolition of China is a necessity for all humans or personhood will be abolished by China.
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Postby Glorious Hong Kong » Sun Jan 24, 2021 9:49 am

So much for the RiSe oF ChInA

As Adobe Flash stops running, so do some railroads in China
Published (HKT): 2021.01.17 06:36
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The railroad system in Dalian, northern China, collapsed citywide on Tuesday for up to 20 hours after the Adobe Flash programing software stopped running.

Adobe had announced as early as 2017 that it would cease support for the multimedia software on Dec. 30 last year. The American software company eventually ended the operation of all Flash content on Tuesday.

Tuesday’s chaos arose after China Railway Shenyang failed to deactivate Flash in time, leading to a complete shutdown of its railroads in Dalian, Liaoning province. Staffers were reportedly unable to view train operation diagrams, formulate train sequencing schedules and arrange shunting plans.

Authorities fixed the issue by installing a pirated version of Flash at 4:30 a.m. the following day.


A pirated version of Flash. A pirated version. They had like four years to prepare.
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Postby Nekostan-e Gharbi » Sun Jan 24, 2021 10:14 am

Glorious Hong Kong wrote:So much for the RiSe oF ChInA

As Adobe Flash stops running, so do some railroads in China
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The railroad system in Dalian, northern China, collapsed citywide on Tuesday for up to 20 hours after the Adobe Flash programing software stopped running.

Adobe had announced as early as 2017 that it would cease support for the multimedia software on Dec. 30 last year. The American software company eventually ended the operation of all Flash content on Tuesday.

Tuesday’s chaos arose after China Railway Shenyang failed to deactivate Flash in time, leading to a complete shutdown of its railroads in Dalian, Liaoning province. Staffers were reportedly unable to view train operation diagrams, formulate train sequencing schedules and arrange shunting plans.

Authorities fixed the issue by installing a pirated version of Flash at 4:30 a.m. the following day.


A pirated version of Flash. A pirated version. They had like four years to prepare.

Lol. China does need to be abolished now. It is a house of cards that does not belong to Planet Earth.
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Postby Compassionate Centrist Christians » Sun Jan 24, 2021 7:55 pm

They've been pretty clever sticking to their mixed economy which has given them a much needed boost but they still have a lot of issues which can easily hinder that growth and maybe set them back later on.
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Postby Der Befreier » Mon Jan 25, 2021 6:48 am

Nekostan-e Gharbi wrote:Abolition of China is a necessity for all humans or personhood will be abolished by China.


I believe they spent decades fog-horning relatable rhetoric about the USSR.
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Postby My Political Fantasy » Mon Jan 25, 2021 7:15 am

Der Befreier wrote:
Nekostan-e Gharbi wrote:Abolition of China is a necessity for all humans or personhood will be abolished by China.


I believe they spent decades fog-horning relatable rhetoric about the USSR.


Maybe for the first 15 years of the new Communist state but definitely not after Sino-Soviet split, the 1969 border conflict, and Nixon's visit to China.
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Postby Nekostan-e Gharbi » Mon Jan 25, 2021 7:00 pm

Der Befreier wrote:
Nekostan-e Gharbi wrote:Abolition of China is a necessity for all humans or personhood will be abolished by China.


I believe they spent decades fog-horning relatable rhetoric about the USSR.

Nah. The Soviet Union was nowhere as evil as China in terms of the percentage of people they murdered. The need for China to be abolished has nothing to do with communism nor does it have anything to do with its size. Even a China with area 1km^2 is 1 km^2 too many.
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Postby Sykar Socialist » Fri Jan 29, 2021 1:01 am

Raioge wrote:Well.....Just a "Democracy Revoloution" can rise China.
It means Chinese people will get their Right and Political Freedom. Like they can use Youtube, Facebook, Line ...or the others without VPN.
And Uighurs will escape from CCP's "Labor Camp".
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Postby Kowani » Fri Jan 29, 2021 1:05 am

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Postby Nekostan-e Gharbi » Fri Jan 29, 2021 1:07 am



Taiwan is already independent. I wonder why Romanians don’t say “Moldovan independence means war”.

It’s also interesting that ethnats mostly hate people in other tribes while Sinostatists mostly hate ethnic Chinese who are not Sinostatist.
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Postby Glorious Hong Kong » Fri Jan 29, 2021 8:35 am

The EU could throw out its landmark trade deal with China over concerns about Beijing's human rights record

Do they honestly believe that China will uphold its end of the bargain and respect the human rights and dignity of its beleaguered subjects? Does its history of lies and broken promises not mean a damn thing to them? This is liberal naivety at best and neoliberal cuckoldry at worst.

For all this talk of ex-President Donald Trump turning his back on Hong Kong and Taiwan by inking a comprehensive trade deal with China, Brussels looks set to do just that. Until they change course, they leave me no choice but to side with Brexit Britain in any disputes between the UK and the EU, including over AstraZeneca vaccine doses. Boris Johnson just gave millions of Hong Kong BNO passport holders a pathway to long-term residency and citizenship in the UK beginning Jan. 31. Like the UN before it, the EU's credibility is on the line.
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Postby Northern Socialist Council Republics » Fri Jan 29, 2021 9:09 am

After four years of the circus show that has been the Trump Presidency, one can hardly blame European leaders for trying to seek out a more stable and sane partner. Doubly so given how important China has made itself in the European economy.

Americans don’t actually care about the human rights of foreigners, so what makes you think Europe will be any different?
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Postby Crockerland » Fri Jan 29, 2021 11:43 am

Infected Mushroom wrote:I’ve just read that China’s economy may overtake the US economy as world number one by 2028.

I am very excited about this and I would hope that China can avoid some of the pitfalls (ex fighting expensive and controversial wars to topple governments oceans away) that other top economic powers have run into.

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Postby Kowani » Fri Jan 29, 2021 11:45 am

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Postby -Ocelot- » Fri Jan 29, 2021 11:48 am



How do CCP's apologists in the west explain the Uyghur genocide? Do they downplay it? Do they outright deny it? How does this not concern them? Is it because of an Islamophobic attitude as well? I'm curious about how these people choose to ignore or fight against this information, even though they already know it to be true.

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Postby Adamede » Fri Jan 29, 2021 11:49 am

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How do CCP's apologists in the west explain the Uyghur genocide? Do they downplay it? Do they outright deny it? How does this not concern them? Is it because of an Islamophobic attitude as well? I'm curious about how these people choose to ignore or fight against this information, even though they already know it to be true.

Depends really. It’s like how some Neo-Nazis claim the Holocaust never happened, some play it down, and others just outright state that the Jews deserved it.
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Postby Nekostan-e Gharbi » Fri Jan 29, 2021 11:50 am

-Ocelot- wrote:


How do CCP's apologists in the west explain the Uyghur genocide? Do they downplay it? Do they outright deny it? How does this not concern them? Is it because of an Islamophobic attitude as well? I'm curious about how these people choose to ignore or fight against this information, even though they already know it to be true.


Sinostatism does not have an ethical component. So it is actually much simpler than you thought. In China you don’t exactly need the “they attacked us first” pretext for mistreatment.

China historically even regularly caused 50%+ of Han Chinese to perish. Why do you think they would even care about ethnic minorities? Did anyone complain when the Qing exterminated Dzungars (in a manner much more thorough than the Holocaust or Armenian Genocide)? Why do you think Chinese will complain if China kills all members of an ethnic group? You don’t even have to be different to be killed by China.
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Postby Adamede » Fri Jan 29, 2021 11:53 am


Yes, but not de jure.
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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Fri Jan 29, 2021 11:53 am

Nekostan-e Gharbi wrote:
-Ocelot- wrote:
How do CCP's apologists in the west explain the Uyghur genocide? Do they downplay it? Do they outright deny it? How does this not concern them? Is it because of an Islamophobic attitude as well? I'm curious about how these people choose to ignore or fight against this information, even though they already know it to be true.


Sinostatism does not have an ethical component. So it is actually much simpler than you thought. In China you don’t exactly need the “they attacked us first” pretext for mistreatment.

China historically even regularly caused 50%+ of Han Chinese to perish. Why do you think they would even care about ethnic minorities? Did anyone complain when the Qing exterminated Dzungars (in a manner much more thorough than the Holocaust or Armenian Genocide)? Why do you think Chinese will complain if China kills all members of an ethnic group?

It's not going to matter. At all.

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Postby Nekostan-e Gharbi » Fri Jan 29, 2021 11:54 am

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:
Nekostan-e Gharbi wrote:
Sinostatism does not have an ethical component. So it is actually much simpler than you thought. In China you don’t exactly need the “they attacked us first” pretext for mistreatment.

China historically even regularly caused 50%+ of Han Chinese to perish. Why do you think they would even care about ethnic minorities? Did anyone complain when the Qing exterminated Dzungars (in a manner much more thorough than the Holocaust or Armenian Genocide)? Why do you think Chinese will complain if China kills all members of an ethnic group?

It's not going to matter. At all.


Exactly. A people who themselves are regularly mistreated by the state for no reason is not going to be empathetic to even members of the same ethnic group, let alone minorities. To the Chinese governments are basically not very different from forces of nature. You don’t blame earthquakes when they kill people since earthquakes are just going to happen and no matter what you do you can’t stop them. Same for tyranny.
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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Fri Jan 29, 2021 11:55 am

Nekostan-e Gharbi wrote:
Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:It's not going to matter. At all.


Exactly. A people who themselves are regularly mistreated by the state for no reason is not going to be empathetic to even members of the same ethnic group, let alone minorities.

I meant your outrage. The outrage we all have. That's going to do jack and shit and continue to do jack and shit as long as we have neoliberals around.

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Postby Nekostan-e Gharbi » Fri Jan 29, 2021 11:59 am

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:
Nekostan-e Gharbi wrote:
Exactly. A people who themselves are regularly mistreated by the state for no reason is not going to be empathetic to even members of the same ethnic group, let alone minorities.

I meant your outrage. The outrage we all have. That's going to do jack and shit and continue to do jack and shit as long as we have neoliberals around.


Without neoliberals China will still remain China. The right approach is viewing China as something similar to Nazi Germany or American slavery, some entity that structurally strongly distorts global social norms and that to protect these norms such entities have to be abolished.

For example the existence of China is inherently incompatible with the concept of human rights for it encourages everyone to take power at any costs and enjoy oppressing others as opposed to standing for shared norms and equal rights (e.g. civil rights movement).
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Current Queen: Sarah IV (House of Moshel)
Current Prime Minister: Dr. Elisheva Cohen (she is fine with Elizabeth for non-Hebrew speakers) from Likud
Cats rule; dogs drool; Israel rocks; China sucks.
Abolish China and save lives.
What is Sinostatism?
Must read on China by David Goldman https://www.tabletmag.com/amp/sections/ ... ina-empire

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