The Rise of China

[Nekostan-e Gharbi]

Sinostatism (n.) the statist (as in, the state having substantial centralized control over social and economic affairs which is the standard definition) tradition of Chinese origins from the Qin to communist China.

Nekostan... something tells me you don't really understand authoritarianism.

Apparently the term "Sinostatism" does not exist anywhere, outside of NS and... 4chan boards (wow). In the absence of a definition, I can conclude that it is made up nonsense, not created or validated by any political scientist or institution.

Don't expect Nekostan to respond to this. I tried to throw this fishing hook out but I caught nothing.

Sinostatism (n.) the statist (as in, the state having substantial centralized control over social and economic affairs which is the standard definition) tradition of Chinese origins from the Qin to communist China.

Sinostatism obviously exists since extreme centralized state control over social and economic affairs is traditional and characteristic of the Chinese civilization. Symptoms of Sinostatism includes the Chinese state controlling what’s generally run by businesses or social groups in other civilizations and the widespread belief in the necessity of such statist control in China.

For example the One Child Policy is a manifestation of Sinostatism. Most societies do not have a tradition of a government micromanaging the amount of children each and every member have in the form of a hard limit (and mandatory abortions & sterilizations). The fact that China could arbitrarily set the number to be 1 (or 2 in some provinces) is manifestation of a unique Chinese form of statism.

Another example is the provinces of China which correspond to geographical features a lot more than culture. Usually states and provinces in a non-colony are generally organic and correspond to local autonomous entities, tribes or cultures. Only colonial and Chinese subdivisions tend to ignore such concerns. Since China could maintain such unnatural subdivisions even without foreign rule this phenomenon is a manifestation of a unique intense Chinese form of statism, that is, Sinostatism.

By that logic I could claim that America needs to be abolished because it has a tradition of deeply rooted racism and oppression.

Yes. Please look up “Chinese statism”. I abbreviated the phrase into a word but the phenomenon which is distinct from communism definitely exists. Traditional Sinostatism is socially conservative and its modern version does have Prussian influence. China, France, Germany and Russia are indeed the four main sources of statist woes and government horrors on Planet Earth. Mixing statist ideologies from one or more of the sources creates statist cocktail which is often even worse than its ingredients.

All I could find was a guy talking about Xi Jinping's authoritarianism, not China's """""inherent""""" authoritarianism.

Everything else besides that one source was just "define statism."

Communism without China sucks but it still sucks less than China without communism, let alone China with communism. I’d prefer Trotsky to Chiang, Manchu emperors or Beiyang warlords at any time simply because the former was a Jewish intellectual despite his weird ideology (communism) as opposed to a Confucian patriarch. If I were in Vienna 100+ years ago I would have loved to visit a coffee house and listen to Mr. Bronstein at least once even though I would not have ended up agreeing with him just like I like to learn from modern Jewish intellectuals of numerous political and social schools from the socially left-wing Eliezer Yudkowsky and Yuval Harari to the socially right-wing David Goldman and everyone in between such as Ayn Rand, Jonathan Haidt, Joel Kotkin and Emmanuel Todd.

Communism just like Nazism is a crazy and harmful political ideology that does not tend to be very sustainable. China on the other hand is actually sustainable and is hence even more murderous in the long run. Hence the latter is even worse. I disagree with Karl Marx. Yet despite his weird ideology he still had more coherent ideas than everyone in Chinese history combined. Same for weird self-hating Jews such as Israel Shahak and Ron Unz.

Ok yep we have some real racism here...

What explained the relative small amount of Chinese in the rest of the world before Opium Wars then? If China were not isolationist Chinese merchants and adventurers would have been at least all over Iran. Arab, Iranian and Indian merchants definitely had significant influence far from their borders.

...you clearly haven't read any Chinese history if you're saying stuff like this. I could easily disprove this by talking about Chinese in East Africa and Southeast Asia.

A few people traveling with Zheng He and his statist mission is not the same as Chinese merchants freely visiting East Africa. Chinese people definitely existed in SEA though.

China simply does not have any tradition of coherent, logical thought with the sole exception of stuff such as “when a white horse is not a horse” in pre-Chinese history that sadly died out after the establishment of China.

[Bienenhalde]

What if you tried to abolish legalism, but kept Confucianism?

It will still result in a disaster. Why do you want to keep it then? You don’t enjoy forcing widows to commit suicide, do you? Foot binding (which essentially disables women) must also be very fun, right? These practices together with Confucianism need to be banished way outside the Overton Window just like Nazism and Communism.

China has to be abolished. As for people who are actually Sinophiles it will be educational for them to live in China before its abolition.

I don't think the Confucian classics actually endorse such practices. Although I do think that perhaps they were facilitated by husbands and fathers having too much power over women. I support reforming Confucianism to support a more egalitarian view of gender.

[Nekostan-e Gharbi]

It will still result in a disaster. Why do you want to keep it then? You don’t enjoy forcing widows to commit suicide, do you? Foot binding (which essentially disables women) must also be very fun, right? These practices together with Confucianism need to be banished way outside the Overton Window just like Nazism and Communism.

China has to be abolished. As for people who are actually Sinophiles it will be educational for them to live in China before its abolition.

I don't think the Confucian classics actually endorse such practices. Although I do think that perhaps they were facilitated by husbands and fathers having too much power over women. I support reforming Confucianism to support a more egalitarian view of gender.

Why not get rid of it then? What is it good for? Nothing. We don’t reform Nazism to be inclusive to Jews, do we?

[Bienenhalde]

I don't think the Confucian classics actually endorse such practices. Although I do think that perhaps they were facilitated by husbands and fathers having too much power over women. I support reforming Confucianism to support a more egalitarian view of gender.

Why not get rid of it then? What is it good for? Nothing. We don’t reform Nazism to be inclusive to Jews, do we?

If you think Confucianism in just about men dominating women, then I don't think you really understand Confucianism.

[Nekostan-e Gharbi]

Why not get rid of it then? What is it good for? Nothing. We don’t reform Nazism to be inclusive to Jews, do we?

If you think Confucianism in just about men dominating women, then I don't think you really understand Confucianism.

Lol. It is one of the most important aspects of Confucianism which is a secular authoritarian ideology. However this is not why I oppose it then. I don’t obey my parents and hence use libertarianism in general and Randism in particular against parentism worldwide. This is why I will never have peace with Confucians. I’m perpetually in an existential conflict against them just like ex-Muslims always need to be aware of Islamism and its death sentences.

Abolish China already.

You can of course afford to love China and Confucianism just like I can afford to support socially right-wing Europeans, namely trads from a different race/ethnic group are not going to impose their worst authoritarianism on non-members. This doesn’t imply that people who are actually threatened by these authoritarians can afford to not care.

[The Marlborough]

Chinese merchants and communities were found all across SEA, I'm not sure where you're getting this idea that they weren't widespread. They were so prominent in certain SEA areas that European colonial authorities had to create a government position specifically for the local Chinese community in some places (such as Malacca and the Philippines). There were medieval Chinatowns in places like Mesopotamia during the Tang Dynasty because that is just how widespread the trading network was. Zheng He's fleet encountered a number of long standing Chinese communities or communities that descended from previous Chinese traders and settlers. This isn't even touching upon the widespread Chinese colonies in the Western Regions and other areas that are now part of China that for many hundreds of years were not part of it.

[The Marlborough]

If you think Confucianism in just about men dominating women, then I don't think you really understand Confucianism.

Lol. It is one of the most important aspects of Confucianism which is a secular authoritarian ideology. However this is not why I oppose it then. I don’t obey my parents and hence use libertarianism in general and Randism in particular against parentism worldwide. This is why I will never have peace with Confucians. I’m perpetually in an existential conflict against them just like ex-Muslims always need to be aware of Islamism and its death sentences.

Abolish China already.

You can of course afford to love China and Confucianism just like I can afford to support socially right-wing Europeans, namely trads from a different race/ethnic group are not going to impose their worst authoritarianism on non-members. This doesn’t imply that people who are actually threatened by these authoritarians can afford to not care.

And this is where we stop entertaining you.

[The Marlborough]

Like I really enjoy how you just outed yourself as a misbehaved child with a shitty relationship with your parents and thus use Libertarianism and Objectivism to justify your behaviour and actions.

[Nekostan-e Gharbi]

Like I really enjoy how you just outed yourself as a misbehaved child with a shitty relationship with your parents and thus use Libertarianism and Objectivism to justify your behaviour and actions.

Lol. We will not agree and that’s fine. Freedom lovers and authoritarians indeed won’t ever agree.

Culture wars happen partly because some people’s existence is only justified under certain ethical systems but not others. For example in the US it happens because neither the social left nor the social right wants the other side to exist. As for me I will keep backing whatever group that is hardest on China, communist or not.

[Yuzu China]

Okay. I have to ask at this point: define “Sinostatism”.

A clear, unambiguous definition is the precondition for any intellectually honest discussion.

Sinostatism (n.) the statist (as in, the state having substantial centralized control over social and economic affairs which is the standard definition) tradition of Chinese origins from the Qin to communist China.

Sinostatism obviously exists since extreme centralized state control over social and economic affairs is traditional and characteristic of the Chinese civilization. Symptoms of Sinostatism includes the Chinese state controlling what’s generally run by businesses or social groups in other civilizations and the widespread belief in the necessity of such statist control in China.

For example the One Child Policy is a manifestation of Sinostatism. Most societies do not have a tradition of a government micromanaging the amount of children each and every member have in the form of a hard limit (and mandatory abortions & sterilizations). The fact that China could arbitrarily set the number to be 1 (or 2 in some provinces) is manifestation of a unique Chinese form of statism.

Another example is the provinces of China which correspond to geographical features a lot more than culture. Usually states and provinces in a non-colony are generally organic and correspond to local autonomous entities, tribes or cultures. Only colonial and Chinese subdivisions tend to ignore such concerns. Since China could maintain such unnatural subdivisions even without foreign rule this phenomenon is a manifestation of a unique intense Chinese form of statism, that is, Sinostatism.

1. The one child policy is not tradition at all, nor is it unique to any particular culture (ex: Tories of the UK, Iran, India, Singapore, Vietnam etc.)

2. You don't know anything about the culture at all, the provincial borders for the most part do follow regional lines unless it creates administrative imbalance (the Teochew part of Canton is more accessible from the province's center aka Canton city than from Foochow anyways), and the different groups settled in drainage basins which aline neatly with administrative borders just like in other countries. Actually in most country's history, accessibility came first, that's why in USA you can have a minimum of 5 entirely different autuonomous entities such as...the most extremist antislavery/proConfederates, Germans, Scots-Irish etc all pitted against each other. It's called Ohio: https://beltmag.com/ohio-confederate-fl ... s-history/ Don't get started on Texas, Texan professors say there are at least 11.

(France is a country that famously chopped up or mashed together entirely different cultures/regions after committing genocide: https://warontherocks.com/2016/01/prove ... n-crusade/

So we have a new term! 「Americastatism!!!」

You're not from China at all, no one would make statements as ignorant of basic Chinese K-12 curriculum as this. At most (without the 「abolish China,」 etc of yours) you would be diaspora but no diaspora would hate their country so much as to bash it/demand that it be abolished entirely and partitioned, then turn around and praise...Israel.

[National Capitalist United States]

Sinostatism (n.) the statist (as in, the state having substantial centralized control over social and economic affairs which is the standard definition) tradition of Chinese origins from the Qin to communist China.

Sinostatism obviously exists since extreme centralized state control over social and economic affairs is traditional and characteristic of the Chinese civilization. Symptoms of Sinostatism includes the Chinese state controlling what’s generally run by businesses or social groups in other civilizations and the widespread belief in the necessity of such statist control in China.

For example the One Child Policy is a manifestation of Sinostatism. Most societies do not have a tradition of a government micromanaging the amount of children each and every member have in the form of a hard limit (and mandatory abortions & sterilizations). The fact that China could arbitrarily set the number to be 1 (or 2 in some provinces) is manifestation of a unique Chinese form of statism.

Another example is the provinces of China which correspond to geographical features a lot more than culture. Usually states and provinces in a non-colony are generally organic and correspond to local autonomous entities, tribes or cultures. Only colonial and Chinese subdivisions tend to ignore such concerns. Since China could maintain such unnatural subdivisions even without foreign rule this phenomenon is a manifestation of a unique intense Chinese form of statism, that is, Sinostatism.

1. The one child policy is not tradition at all, nor is it unique to any particular culture (ex: Tories of the UK, Iran, India, Singapore, Vietnam etc.)

2. You don't know anything about the culture at all, the provincial borders for the most part do follow regional lines unless it creates administrative imbalance (the Teochew part of Canton is more accessible from the province's center aka Canton city than from Foochow anyways), and the different groups settled in drainage basins which aline neatly with administrative borders just like in other countries. Actually in most country's history, accessibility came first, that's why in USA you can have a minimum of 5 entirely different autuonomous entities such as...the most extremist antislavery/proConfederates, Germans, Scots-Irish etc all pitted against each other. It's called Ohio: https://beltmag.com/ohio-confederate-fl ... s-history/

(France is a country that famously chopped up or mashed together entirely different cultures/regions after committing genocide: https://warontherocks.com/2016/01/prove ... n-crusade/

So we have a new term! 「Americastatism!!!」

You're not from China at all, no one would make statements as ignorant of basic Chinese K-12 curriculum as this. At most (without the 「abolish China,」 etc of yours) you would be diaspora but no diaspora would hate their country so much as to bash it/demand that it be abolished entirely and partitioned, then turn around and praise...Israel.

Bro STFU, Xi isn't going to congratulate you for defending him and his country.

Go outside, there's more important things in life than defending China on the internet

[Yuzu China]

1. The one child policy is not tradition at all, nor is it unique to any particular culture (ex: Tories of the UK, Iran, India, Singapore, Vietnam etc.)

2. You don't know anything about the culture at all, the provincial borders for the most part do follow regional lines unless it creates administrative imbalance (the Teochew part of Canton is more accessible from the province's center aka Canton city than from Foochow anyways), and the different groups settled in drainage basins which aline neatly with administrative borders just like in other countries. Actually in most country's history, accessibility came first, that's why in USA you can have a minimum of 5 entirely different autuonomous entities such as...the most extremist antislavery/proConfederates, Germans, Scots-Irish etc all pitted against each other. It's called Ohio: https://beltmag.com/ohio-confederate-fl ... s-history/

(France is a country that famously chopped up or mashed together entirely different cultures/regions after committing genocide: https://warontherocks.com/2016/01/prove ... n-crusade/

So we have a new term! 「Americastatism!!!」

You're not from China at all, no one would make statements as ignorant of basic Chinese K-12 curriculum as this. At most (without the 「abolish China,」 etc of yours) you would be diaspora but no diaspora would hate their country so much as to bash it/demand that it be abolished entirely and partitioned, then turn around and praise...Israel.

Bro STFU, Xi isn't going to congratulate you for defending him and his country.

Go outside, there's more important things in life than defending China on the internet

It doesn't matter what flag we are, we are all Chinese and he dared claim that he is from China/made frivolous claims about magically splitting China, the supposed inferiority of Chinese culture/philosophy, etc and yes even Singapore, Taiwan, etc's cultures are all Chinese, so he is insulting me. I am not going to let it stand that we don't teach geography or history in Chinese schools. Is my flag the PRC flag? You tell me.

[National Capitalist United States]

Bro STFU, Xi isn't going to congratulate you for defending him and his country.

Go outside, there's more important things in life than defending China on the internet

It doesn't matter what flag we are, we are all Chinese and he dared claim that he is from China. I am not going to let it stand that we don't teach geography or history in Chinese schools. Is my flag the PRC flag? You tell me.

No it's not the flag the PRC, but still, you need to go outside.

[Nekostan-e Gharbi]

Sinostatism (n.) the statist (as in, the state having substantial centralized control over social and economic affairs which is the standard definition) tradition of Chinese origins from the Qin to communist China.

Sinostatism obviously exists since extreme centralized state control over social and economic affairs is traditional and characteristic of the Chinese civilization. Symptoms of Sinostatism includes the Chinese state controlling what’s generally run by businesses or social groups in other civilizations and the widespread belief in the necessity of such statist control in China.

For example the One Child Policy is a manifestation of Sinostatism. Most societies do not have a tradition of a government micromanaging the amount of children each and every member have in the form of a hard limit (and mandatory abortions & sterilizations). The fact that China could arbitrarily set the number to be 1 (or 2 in some provinces) is manifestation of a unique Chinese form of statism.

Another example is the provinces of China which correspond to geographical features a lot more than culture. Usually states and provinces in a non-colony are generally organic and correspond to local autonomous entities, tribes or cultures. Only colonial and Chinese subdivisions tend to ignore such concerns. Since China could maintain such unnatural subdivisions even without foreign rule this phenomenon is a manifestation of a unique intense Chinese form of statism, that is, Sinostatism.

1. The one child policy is not tradition at all, nor is it unique to any particular culture (ex: Tories of the UK, Iran, India, Singapore, Vietnam etc.)

2. You don't know anything about the culture at all, the provincial borders for the most part do follow regional lines unless it creates administrative imbalance (the Teochew part of Canton is more accessible from the province's center aka Canton city than from Foochow anyways), and the different groups settled in drainage basins which aline neatly with administrative borders just like in other countries. Actually in most country's history, accessibility came first, that's why in USA you can have a minimum of 5 entirely different autuonomous entities such as...the most extremist antislavery/proConfederates, Germans, Scots-Irish etc all pitted against each other. It's called Ohio: https://beltmag.com/ohio-confederate-fl ... s-history/ Don't get started on Texas, Texan professors say there are at least 11.

(France is a country that famously chopped up or mashed together entirely different cultures/regions after committing genocide: https://warontherocks.com/2016/01/prove ... n-crusade/

So we have a new term! 「Americastatism!!!」

You're not from China at all, no one would make statements as ignorant of basic Chinese K-12 curriculum as this. At most (without the 「abolish China,」 etc of yours) you would be diaspora but no diaspora would hate their country so much as to bash it/demand that it be abolished entirely and partitioned, then turn around and praise...Israel.

1. OCP did not exist anywhere outside the PRC lol.
2. I never said that Sinostatism is the only major source of state abuse on this planet. France is another civilization notorious for its statism. Your observation about France is of course spot on lol. That does not mean somehow China is less sick simply because some Europeans have the same disease.

You still don’t understand why I refer to China as an anti-Israel which is why you completely can not get my motivation. Your claims would have made sense if China were a real ethnostate or cultural state. The problem here is obviously that it is actually an anti-ethnostate as its actions are almost the opposite of real ethnostates. What do ethnostates do? They take care of and defend the interest of their ethnic groups, home and abroad. For example Israel is an ethnostate since it got involved in defending Jewish people, both home and abroad and is supported by Jewish people, Israeli or not. Serbia is another example of an ethnostate. What does Serbia do? Serbia tried to defend and advance interests of Serbs, both those within and those outside Serbia. This is why they supported Croatian Serbs and Bosnian Serbs during Yugoslav wars. So what about China? Modern China supported Khmer Rouge which murdered a lot of Chinese Cambodians. It continued to aid Indonesia despite its massacre of Chinese Indonesians. So is China actually an ethnostate or is it an anti-ethnostate where association with it leads to worse, not better treatment? It is obviously the latter.

[Yuzu China]

1. The one child policy is not tradition at all, nor is it unique to any particular culture (ex: Tories of the UK, Iran, India, Singapore, Vietnam etc.)

2. You don't know anything about the culture at all, the provincial borders for the most part do follow regional lines unless it creates administrative imbalance (the Teochew part of Canton is more accessible from the province's center aka Canton city than from Foochow anyways), and the different groups settled in drainage basins which aline neatly with administrative borders just like in other countries. Actually in most country's history, accessibility came first, that's why in USA you can have a minimum of 5 entirely different autuonomous entities such as...the most extremist antislavery/proConfederates, Germans, Scots-Irish etc all pitted against each other. It's called Ohio: https://beltmag.com/ohio-confederate-fl ... s-history/ Don't get started on Texas, Texan professors say there are at least 11.

(France is a country that famously chopped up or mashed together entirely different cultures/regions after committing genocide: https://warontherocks.com/2016/01/prove ... n-crusade/

So we have a new term! 「Americastatism!!!」

You're not from China at all, no one would make statements as ignorant of basic Chinese K-12 curriculum as this. At most (without the 「abolish China,」 etc of yours) you would be diaspora but no diaspora would hate their country so much as to bash it/demand that it be abolished entirely and partitioned, then turn around and praise...Israel.

1. OCP did not exist anywhere outside the PRC lol.
2. I never said that Sinostatism is the only major source of state abuse on this planet. France is another civilization notorious for its statism. Your observation about France is of course spot on lol. That does not mean somehow China is less sick simply because some Europeans have the same disease.

You still don’t understand why I refer to China as an anti-Israel which is why you completely can not get my motivation.

I won't repeat myself, but ok: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/ ... l-language

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-isra ... SKBN1YG2E9

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-pale ... 1820100531

[Nekostan-e Gharbi]

1. OCP did not exist anywhere outside the PRC lol.
2. I never said that Sinostatism is the only major source of state abuse on this planet. France is another civilization notorious for its statism. Your observation about France is of course spot on lol. That does not mean somehow China is less sick simply because some Europeans have the same disease.

You still don’t understand why I refer to China as an anti-Israel which is why you completely can not get my motivation.

I won't repeat myself, but ok: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/ ... l-language

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-isra ... SKBN1YG2E9

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-pale ... 1820100531

Please read my expanded post lol.

Israel is a good example of an ethnic democracy. Israel loves Jewish people. Does China love Chinese people or does it actually hate and despise Chinese people? Does Israel treat foreigners better than Jewish Israelis? Far from it. You know why? Because Israel is actually ruled by Jewish people for the Jewish people. When Israel arrested Adolf Eichmann, executed murderers of Jewish athletes in 1972, negotiated for the release of Gilda Shalit and designed its Merkava tanks that minimized casualties we know Israel does love the Jewish people. Does Japan treat foreigners better than Japanese people? Nope. Why? Because Japan is ruled by Japanese people for the Japanese civilization which benefits Japanese people. When Japan keeps its best products within itself and sent naval ships to Hawaii to protest poor treatment of the Japanese diaspora and prevented segregation of Japanese Americans in California through negotiation with the Feds we know Japan does love Japanese people. Does Croatia treat foreigners better than Croats? They don’t. Croatia has always been involved in Bosnia and Hercegovina and champion the cause of Bosnian Croats. We know Croatia does love Croats.

Does China treat all foreigners better than Chinese people? Yes. Why? Because China is ruled and has always been ruled by amoral bureaucrats who treat their subjects like cattle. Foreigners generally have less sociopathic states backing them and hence China does not dare to treat them like cattle. Chinese on the other hand (Han or not), are nothing but natural resources to the rulers of China and have always been so since the first China, Qin Dynasty, was established. While Germans and Austrians, Romanians and Moldovans, Greeks and Greek Cypriots, Turks and Turkish Cypriots, Bulgarians and North Macedonians are brothers and sisters, mainland Chinese, Hong Kongers and Taiwanese are mortal enemies who want to destroy each other. What caused this phenomenon? The society and social unity do not even exist in China because the state has extinguished them. China is a dystopian place where neighbors inform on each other and everyone tries to use the state against everyone else. Its very existence is against human dignity and its abolishment an absolute necessity.

[Yuzu China]

I won't repeat myself, but ok: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/ ... l-language

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-isra ... SKBN1YG2E9

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-pale ... 1820100531

Please read my expanded post lol.

Israel is a good example of an ethnic democracy. Israel loves Jewish people. Does China love Chinese people or does it actually hate and despise Chinese people? Does Israel treat foreigners better than Jewish Israelis? Far from it. You know why? Because Israel is actually ruled by Jewish people for the Jewish people. When Israel arrested Adolf Eichmann, executed murderers of Jewish athletes in 1972, negotiated for the release of Gilda Shalit and designed its Merkava tanks that minimized casualties we know Israel does love the Jewish people. Does Japan treat foreigners better than Japanese people? Nope. Why? Because Japan is ruled by Japanese people for the Japanese civilization which benefits Japanese people. When Japan keeps its best products within itself and sent naval ships to Hawaii to protest poor treatment of the Japanese diaspora and prevented segregation of Japanese Americans in California through negotiation with the Feds we know Japan does love Japanese people. Does Croatia treat foreigners better than Croats? They don’t. Croatia has always been involved in Bosnia and Hercegovina and champion the cause of Bosnian Croats. We know Croatia does love Croats.

Does China treat all foreigners better than Chinese people? Yes. Why? Because China is ruled and has always been ruled by amoral bureaucrats who treat their subjects like cattle. Foreigners generally have less sociopathic states backing them and hence China does not dare to treat them like cattle. Chinese on the other hand (Han or not), are nothing but natural resources to the rulers of China and have always been so since the first China, Qin Dynasty, was established. While Germans and Austrians, Romanians and Moldovans, Greeks and Greek Cypriots, Turks and Turkish Cypriots, Bulgarians and North Macedonians are brothers and sisters, mainland Chinese, Hong Kongers and Taiwanese are mortal enemies who want to destroy each other. What caused this phenomenon? The society and social unity do not even exist in China because the state has extinguished them. China is a dystopian place where neighbors inform on each other and everyone tries to use the state against everyone else. Its very existence is against human dignity and its abolishment an absolute necessity.

I have debunked this nonsense before (reposted below).

Israel is a PRC'ian ally in all but name. PRC is in fact their second plan should America ever dump them.

It does not affect the nature of either Israel or China. Israel is still the safe haven for the Jewish people and China is still the unsafe anti-haven for the Chinese people. When Jewish people are threatened elsewhere they flee into Israel. When Chinese people are threatened by China we flee from China.

Continue explaining away why overseas Chinese and PRC citizens, even Hong Kongese chose to return home rather than stay in covid ridden USA, the covid leader. Or why anyone'd tolerate such incompetence.

SMCP: https://www.asianewsday.com/why-an-amer ... -outbreak/

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As for Israel, there are far worse human rights abuses (by reuters in my above post) which i have to relink than whatever alleged nonsense of yours, I think that it is actually the Zionists' actions which are the "sociopathic" you claim to be here, especially by forcibly grabbing the natives' homes while banning them from going to church even in Jerusalem for Christmas even/their own language: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/ ... l-language

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-isra ... SKBN1YG2E9

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-pale ... 2182010053 Not to mention getting into wars in the Congo, shooting dead unarmed hunger activists bringing food shipments to oppressed, starving Palestenians who live without power/electricity that they paid for because Israel cut it, etc, I think enough's enough. And I say this even though I'm actually a big Israel fan who despises Palestine/their haughty atittude. Don't get started on their lousy work ethic ggü Israel's, one of the world's best. Thanks to forcing the Arabs off their lands, you now have constant wars with children in Ashkelon perpetually hiding in bomb shelters/having PTSD, so Israel's "concern for its people" you claim does exist after all.

No, Taiwanese aren't interested in destroying Hong Kong or whatever, you don't understand at all because as I proved before you are lying about being from China; no one would post complete ahistorical or ageographical stuff anyone who's go thru K-12 in East Asia would know. Our geography isn't that bad. I'm Taiwanese myself (not pure blood Han, but Chinese, taiwanese or whatever the label is inclusive). We do not hate other people, countries or whatever here, not even Communist China unless you are a keyboard warrior shutin. You need to fix your problems with your parents before forcing the destruction of your supposed country, you can hate your peers/parents sure, but don't force it on us all. Taiwanese don't even think that much about the rest of the world to begin with, they just don't care. We love humanity, it's something the West has yet to understand.

[Farnhamia]

1. The one child policy is not tradition at all, nor is it unique to any particular culture (ex: Tories of the UK, Iran, India, Singapore, Vietnam etc.)

2. You don't know anything about the culture at all, the provincial borders for the most part do follow regional lines unless it creates administrative imbalance (the Teochew part of Canton is more accessible from the province's center aka Canton city than from Foochow anyways), and the different groups settled in drainage basins which aline neatly with administrative borders just like in other countries. Actually in most country's history, accessibility came first, that's why in USA you can have a minimum of 5 entirely different autuonomous entities such as...the most extremist antislavery/proConfederates, Germans, Scots-Irish etc all pitted against each other. It's called Ohio: https://beltmag.com/ohio-confederate-fl ... s-history/

(France is a country that famously chopped up or mashed together entirely different cultures/regions after committing genocide: https://warontherocks.com/2016/01/prove ... n-crusade/

So we have a new term! 「Americastatism!!!」

You're not from China at all, no one would make statements as ignorant of basic Chinese K-12 curriculum as this. At most (without the 「abolish China,」 etc of yours) you would be diaspora but no diaspora would hate their country so much as to bash it/demand that it be abolished entirely and partitioned, then turn around and praise...Israel.

Bro STFU, Xi isn't going to congratulate you for defending him and his country.

Go outside, there's more important things in life than defending China on the internet

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Telling people to "shut the fuck up" is against the rules.

[Nekostan-e Gharbi]

Please read my expanded post lol.

Israel is a good example of an ethnic democracy. Israel loves Jewish people. Does China love Chinese people or does it actually hate and despise Chinese people? Does Israel treat foreigners better than Jewish Israelis? Far from it. You know why? Because Israel is actually ruled by Jewish people for the Jewish people. When Israel arrested Adolf Eichmann, executed murderers of Jewish athletes in 1972, negotiated for the release of Gilda Shalit and designed its Merkava tanks that minimized casualties we know Israel does love the Jewish people. Does Japan treat foreigners better than Japanese people? Nope. Why? Because Japan is ruled by Japanese people for the Japanese civilization which benefits Japanese people. When Japan keeps its best products within itself and sent naval ships to Hawaii to protest poor treatment of the Japanese diaspora and prevented segregation of Japanese Americans in California through negotiation with the Feds we know Japan does love Japanese people. Does Croatia treat foreigners better than Croats? They don’t. Croatia has always been involved in Bosnia and Hercegovina and champion the cause of Bosnian Croats. We know Croatia does love Croats.

Does China treat all foreigners better than Chinese people? Yes. Why? Because China is ruled and has always been ruled by amoral bureaucrats who treat their subjects like cattle. Foreigners generally have less sociopathic states backing them and hence China does not dare to treat them like cattle. Chinese on the other hand (Han or not), are nothing but natural resources to the rulers of China and have always been so since the first China, Qin Dynasty, was established. While Germans and Austrians, Romanians and Moldovans, Greeks and Greek Cypriots, Turks and Turkish Cypriots, Bulgarians and North Macedonians are brothers and sisters, mainland Chinese, Hong Kongers and Taiwanese are mortal enemies who want to destroy each other. What caused this phenomenon? The society and social unity do not even exist in China because the state has extinguished them. China is a dystopian place where neighbors inform on each other and everyone tries to use the state against everyone else. Its very existence is against human dignity and its abolishment an absolute necessity.

I have debunked this nonsense before (reposted below).

It does not affect the nature of either Israel or China. Israel is still the safe haven for the Jewish people and China is still the unsafe anti-haven for the Chinese people. When Jewish people are threatened elsewhere they flee into Israel. When Chinese people are threatened by China we flee from China.

Continue explaining away why overseas Chinese and PRC citizens, even Hong Kongese chose to return home rather than stay in covid ridden USA, the covid leader. Or why anyone'd tolerate such incompetence.

SMCP: https://www.asianewsday.com/why-an-amer ... -outbreak/

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As for Israel, there are far worse human rights abuses (by reuters in my above post) which i have to relink than whatever alleged nonsense of yours, I think that it is actually the Zionists' actions which are the "sociopathic" you claim to be here, especially by forcibly grabbing the natives' homes while banning them from going to church even in Jerusalem for Christmas even/their own language: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/ ... l-language

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-isra ... SKBN1YG2E9

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-pale ... 2182010053 Not to mention getting into wars in the Congo, shooting dead unarmed hunger activists bringing food shipments to oppressed, starving Palestenians who live without power/electricity that they paid for because Israel cut it, etc, I think enough's enough. And I say this even though I'm actually a big Israel fan who despises Palestine/their haughty atittude. Don't get started on their lousy work ethic ggü Israel's, one of the world's best. Thanks to forcing the Arabs off their lands, you now have constant wars with children in Ashkelon perpetually hiding in bomb shelters/having PTSD, so Israel's "concern for its people" you claim does exist after all.

No, Taiwanese aren't interested in destroying Hong Kong or whatever, you don't understand at all because as I proved before you are lying about being from China; no one would post complete ahistorical or ageographical stuff anyone who's go thru K-12 in East Asia would know. Our geography isn't that bad. I'm Taiwanese myself (not pure blood Han, but Chinese, taiwanese or whatever the label is inclusive). We do not hate other people, countries or whatever here, not even Communist China unless you are a keyboard warrior shutin. You need to fix your problems with your parents before forcing the destruction of your supposed country, you can hate your peers/parents sure, but don't force it on us all. Taiwanese don't even think that much about the rest of the world to begin with, they just don't care. We love humanity, it's something the West has yet to understand.

If Poland, Serbia, Turkey etc were located where Israel is there would have been zero cries against them due to Zionism. Do you know why? Because they would have hunted down every last Palestinian to the point that all perished or fled to Egypt proper (to the west of Suez Canal)/ Jordan. Yes this is precisely how East Europeans and Middle Easterners usually handle these issues. When do you think Turks and Greeks or Armenians and Azeris are going to apologize to each other? Never.

“We love humanity”.

Nah. Lots of people in China hate humanity including their countrymen.

[Sicilian Imperial-Capitalist Empire]

Nekostan... something tells me you don't really understand authoritarianism.

Don't expect Nekostan to respond to this. I tried to throw this fishing hook out but I caught nothing.

By that logic I could claim that America needs to be abolished because it has a tradition of deeply rooted racism and oppression.

All I could find was a guy talking about Xi Jinping's authoritarianism, not China's """""inherent""""" authoritarianism.

Everything else besides that one source was just "define statism."

Ok yep we have some real racism here...

...you clearly haven't read any Chinese history if you're saying stuff like this. I could easily disprove this by talking about Chinese in East Africa and Southeast Asia.

A few people traveling with Zheng He and his statist mission is not the same as Chinese merchants freely visiting East Africa. Chinese people definitely existed in SEA though.

China simply does not have any tradition of coherent, logical thought with the sole exception of stuff such as “when a white horse is not a horse” in pre-Chinese history that sadly died out after the establishment of China.

...and this is where I rest my case. Good job proving that you have an incredibly biased and loaded view of history, willing to twist facts to fit your narrative. I am no longer going to entertain your thoughts as it's clear that they are completely and utterly illogical.

Seriously dude, stop blaming China for the world's problems and stop pretending that everything China does is somehow evil or for some malicious purpose. Also stop blindly defending everything Israel does as if they can do no wrong.

[Nekostan-e Gharbi]

A few people traveling with Zheng He and his statist mission is not the same as Chinese merchants freely visiting East Africa. Chinese people definitely existed in SEA though.

China simply does not have any tradition of coherent, logical thought with the sole exception of stuff such as “when a white horse is not a horse” in pre-Chinese history that sadly died out after the establishment of China.

...and this is where I rest my case. Good job proving that you have an incredibly biased and loaded view of history, willing to twist facts to fit your narrative. I am no longer going to entertain your thoughts as it's clear that they are completely and utterly illogical.

Seriously dude, stop blaming China for the world's problems and stop pretending that everything China does is somehow evil or for some malicious purpose. Also stop blindly defending everything Israel does as if they can do no wrong.

What thought in China is actually logical and coherent? The scientific tradition we have is of Greek origins. Very few people even in modern China produce logical thought. Just ask people about TCM. Fang Zhouzi is one of the less bad ones since he does manage to criticize TCM scientifically and mostly replicate Western liberal thoughts in Mandarin which is already an incredible achievement.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

...and this is where I rest my case. Good job proving that you have an incredibly biased and loaded view of history, willing to twist facts to fit your narrative. I am no longer going to entertain your thoughts as it's clear that they are completely and utterly illogical.

Seriously dude, stop blaming China for the world's problems and stop pretending that everything China does is somehow evil or for some malicious purpose. Also stop blindly defending everything Israel does as if they can do no wrong.

What thought in China is actually logical and coherent? The scientific tradition we have is of Greek origins. Very few people even in modern China produce logical thought. Just ask people about TCM. Fang Zhouzi is one of the less bad ones since he does manage to criticize TCM scientifically and mostly replicate Western liberal thoughts in Mandarin which is already an incredible achievement.

This post isn't quite there yet but it is getting to Kaiser Wilhelm II's turboracism levels about the unreasonable Asians out to pillage the West.

[Nekostan-e Gharbi]

What thought in China is actually logical and coherent? The scientific tradition we have is of Greek origins. Very few people even in modern China produce logical thought. Just ask people about TCM. Fang Zhouzi is one of the less bad ones since he does manage to criticize TCM scientifically and mostly replicate Western liberal thoughts in Mandarin which is already an incredible achievement.

This post isn't quite there yet but it is getting to Kaiser Wilhelm II's turboracism levels about the unreasonable Asians out to pillage the West.

It isn’t. The lack of logic in China is cultural, not genetic. People who care about logic just can not tolerate China (or more precisely, are not tolerated by either China or its mainstream culture) lol.

For example, whether TCM theories are legitimate medicine is objective. The thing is that there is indeed no evidence showing that acupuncture is more effective than sham acupuncture..yet if you want to explain it in Xi’s China...

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

This post isn't quite there yet but it is getting to Kaiser Wilhelm II's turboracism levels about the unreasonable Asians out to pillage the West.

It isn’t. The lack of logic in China is cultural, not genetic. People who care about logic just can not tolerate China (or more precisely, are not tolerated by either China or its mainstream culture) lol.

Your idea that your racist ideas are "merely" cultural is meaningless. You have successfully convinced yourself that there's a functional difference. There isn't.

[Nekostan-e Gharbi]

It isn’t. The lack of logic in China is cultural, not genetic. People who care about logic just can not tolerate China (or more precisely, are not tolerated by either China or its mainstream culture) lol.

Your idea that your racist ideas are "merely" cultural is meaningless.

Traditionalism and pseudoscience kills everywhere.

Either acupuncture is an effective treatment or it isn’t.
Either COVID exists or it doesn’t.
Either HIV is responsible for AIDS or it isn’t.

Screaming about tradition, race, ethnicity etc does not make the truth untrue or the untruth true. TCM is shitty not because it is Chinese but because all traditional medicines suck and TCM is not above the rest of the fold.

One thing about China is that it does not have a large group of intellectuals willing to criticize old practices and ideas any more. Unreason has shut down reason. In some sense Xi is the Trump of China. They are backed by comparable people anyway. I can tolerate Trump precisely because I’m not European and do not have to take up the stigma associated with the coarser aspects of Trumpism. If I were European or if he were Chinese then hell no lol.