The Rise of China

[Picairn]

That's maybe a bit exaggerated, I think.

It just means that Internet celebrities will need to have recognised credentials in oncology (for example) before making claims about managing lung cancer.

What about politics or education? Saying people should have a degree in politics or education before posting about corruption or the state of public education and boom, you just forbid almost everyone from speaking aside from a minority of elites who is willing to toe the party line. That's a blatant stomp on freedom of speech.

At the end of the day, this isn't really applicable to most people. It's for those who have a certain amount of social influence. Their power can be used to do great things, but it can also do a lot of harm to people's lives.

Requiring people to seek a license before speaking opens a whole can of worms. Bureaucrats can deny permission to any dissent or whistleblower from posting anything bad about the Chinese government.

[Nekostan-e Gharbi]

That's maybe a bit exaggerated, I think.

It just means that Internet celebrities will need to have recognised credentials in oncology (for example) before making claims about managing lung cancer.

What about politics or education? Saying people should have a degree in politics or education before posting about corruption or the state of public education and boom, you just forbid almost everyone from speaking aside from a minority of elites who is willing to toe the party line. That's a blatant stomp on freedom of speech.

At the end of the day, this isn't really applicable to most people. It's for those who have a certain amount of social influence. Their power can be used to do great things, but it can also do a lot of harm to people's lives.

Requiring people to seek a license before speaking opens a whole can of worms. Bureaucrats can deny permission to any dissent or whistleblower from posting anything bad about the Chinese government.

With China it is never about what should happen lol. It is always about how to prevent what sucks from harming you.

Discussing moral alternatives to Chinese policies is pointless. China needs to be abolished. Only then will your ethical arguments actually be useful.

[Cats in a Box]

That's maybe a bit exaggerated, I think.

It just means that Internet celebrities will need to have recognised credentials in oncology (for example) before making claims about managing lung cancer.

What about politics or education? Saying people should have a degree in politics or education before posting about corruption or the state of public education and boom, you just forbid almost everyone from speaking aside from a minority of elites who is willing to toe the party line. That's a blatant stomp on freedom of speech.

I understand what you're saying and respect your opinion, although I personally feel that education and effective policy making can be just as complicated as medicine (if not more so).

I think the key is perhaps to make education a bit more accessible, so that people can be better equipped to contribute in meaningful and less destructive ways if they are really interested in those areas.

At the end of the day, this isn't really applicable to most people. It's for those who have a certain amount of social influence. Their power can be used to do great things, but it can also do a lot of harm to people's lives.

Requiring people to seek a license before speaking opens a whole can of worms. Bureaucrats can deny permission to any dissent or whistleblower from posting anything bad about the Chinese government.

Ordinary people don't need to seek licences, because they aren't social media "influencers". This is more of an effort to implement some kind of standard for social media and related forms of online marketing.

[Picairn]

I understand what you're saying and respect your opinion, although I personally feel that education and effective policy making can be just as complicated as medicine (if not more so).

I think the key is perhaps to make education a bit more accessible, so that people can be better equipped to contribute in meaningful and less destructive ways if they are really interested in those areas.

Education is the way, not licensing.

Ordinary people don't need to seek licences, because they aren't social media "influencers". This is more of an effort to implement some kind of standard for social media and related forms of online marketing.

Who are social media "influencers"? The professor in the article (despite his credentials on international relations) is now forced to cover topics out of his expertise. This is not a standard, it's censorship.

[Nekostan-e Gharbi]

Lol. What are we even talking about?

[CalaisDenmark]

If this isn't a massacre, what is this.
Oh, Watch these.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mkk7OnxTacg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQmznI- ... adio=1&t=3

I know. CCP really sucks.

However we have to understand the problem at a deeper level. Why the fucking hell could they have taken power?

The problem is that people in China historically have endured way too much mistreatment to the point that mistreatment is simply normal and anything that is slightly better than that looks like mercy. People have been conditioned into obeying whoever treat them the worst.

This issue due to China not being 100% isolated is very disruptive to global norms. A rights-based world can only work if worse treatment leads to worse consequences for the persecutor. China is sufficiently large and strong that it is historically pretty much immune to outside pressure on its treatment of its own subjects. Moreover the imperial examinations allow the ambitious plebs to rise to power, further stabilizing the system by co-opting potential Martin Luther Kings. It’s a very long-term problem which is why China has to be abolished or a variant of its own imperial system can infect the rest of the world.

Oh, There is a Democratic, he is Chinese. He thinks CCP is suck.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSdJlJACKwc

[Cats in a Box]

Who are social media "influencers"?

Influencer marketing is an industry based around selling online traffic. For example, famous YouTubers could be influencers.

There are two main ways for a minimalist social media company to earn revenue. One is by charging people for using the service (e.g. premium subscriptions and paywalls), the second is through advertisement.

For the advertisement option, there needs to be people who create content and perform effective traffic segmentation (which means profiling users and somehow categorising them into groups that are convenient for marketing purposes). Social media platforms essentially outsource this role to their content generators.

These content generators can also choose to monetise their content without going through the social media platform, by accepting various forms of sponsorship. In this case, they are acting as "influencers".

The market in China is very different. There is a much stronger focus on interpersonal relationships and on branding. The reason for this is really complicated, but it basically means that influencer marketing is much bigger in China.

In any case, I don't think this is really the right place for Marketing/International Commerce 101... Suffice to say that this has nothing to do with whether people can voice their feelings online.

[Nevertopia]

I’ve just read that China’s economy may overtake the US economy as world number one by 2028.

I am very excited about this and I would hope that China can avoid some of the pitfalls (ex fighting expensive and controversial wars to topple governments oceans away) that other top economic powers have run into. I am hoping for a new century of peace, economic cooperation and global growth. While Chinese economic partnerships in Africa and elsewhere have created some inequality (which in my view is inevitable), they have also objectively brought up the GDPs of those countries by providing capital. I would hope that China continues its trademark policies of encouraging win-win economic solutions and opportunities for everyone.

Sources:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co ... a-55454146

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.scmp.c ... vertake-us

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... my-earlier

NSG, what do you think the world will look like? I am very optimistic.

Id be more optimistic for the chinese people if they werent oppressed by the CCP dictatorship.

[Nekostan-e Gharbi]

I know. CCP really sucks.

However we have to understand the problem at a deeper level. Why the fucking hell could they have taken power?

The problem is that people in China historically have endured way too much mistreatment to the point that mistreatment is simply normal and anything that is slightly better than that looks like mercy. People have been conditioned into obeying whoever treat them the worst.

This issue due to China not being 100% isolated is very disruptive to global norms. A rights-based world can only work if worse treatment leads to worse consequences for the persecutor. China is sufficiently large and strong that it is historically pretty much immune to outside pressure on its treatment of its own subjects. Moreover the imperial examinations allow the ambitious plebs to rise to power, further stabilizing the system by co-opting potential Martin Luther Kings. It’s a very long-term problem which is why China has to be abolished or a variant of its own imperial system can infect the rest of the world.

Oh, There is a Democratic, he is Chinese. He thinks CCP is suck.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSdJlJACKwc

This dude is a traditionalist and I can’t stand him lol. His China is only slightly better than a communist one.

[Carmeniadsn]

Actually, I'm afraid of China now. They are very strong, and their politicians are mad.

[Raioge]

Actually, I'm afraid of China now. They are very strong, and their politicians are mad.

ROC or PRC?

[Raioge]

China is irredenta 25982 days(NS)
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[Sykar Socialist]

I’ve just read that China’s economy may overtake the US economy as world number one by 2028.

I am very excited about this and I would hope that China can avoid some of the pitfalls (ex fighting expensive and controversial wars to topple governments oceans away) that other top economic powers have run into. I am hoping for a new century of peace, economic cooperation and global growth. While Chinese economic partnerships in Africa and elsewhere have created some inequality (which in my view is inevitable), they have also objectively brought up the GDPs of those countries by providing capital. I would hope that China continues its trademark policies of encouraging win-win economic solutions and opportunities for everyone.

Sources:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co ... a-55454146

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.scmp.c ... vertake-us

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... my-earlier

NSG, what do you think the world will look like? I am very optimistic.

Id be more optimistic for the chinese people if they werent oppressed by the CCP dictatorship.

You are right.

[Nekostan-e Gharbi]

Id be more optimistic for the chinese people if they werent oppressed by the CCP dictatorship.

You are right.

I still won’t but at least it will be an improvement.

[CalaisDenmark]

China is irredenta 25984 days(NS)
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[Nekostan-e Gharbi]

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China simply needs to be abolished or it will completely ruin right-based social norms.

[Alien Overlord]

Hey remember when China was literally committing a genocide against it's own people? Or how about that time they forced authoritarianism down the throats of a peaceful democratic system that wanted nothing to do with it (Hong Kong). Or how about that time they oppressed the people of Tibet for no logical reason? Or how about that time they completely disregarded international copyright laws to make a quick buck? Oh wait all of that is still happening right now?

Yeah. It's all still happening and stands as a testament to the moral corruption of the PRC, the illegitimate band of criminals that occupies the ROC for the time being. You may be optimistic about this but myself and any other sane person is not. The people living on the mainland won't see this rise in wealth as their overlords work them to death for almost no pay while controlling their lives and stifling any liberty they may enjoy. With any luck these predictions are wrong.

[Nekostan-e Gharbi]

Hey remember when China was literally committing a genocide against it's own people? Or how about that time they forced authoritarianism down the throats of a peaceful democratic system that wanted nothing to do with it (Hong Kong). Or how about that time they oppressed the people of Tibet for no logical reason? Or how about that time they completely disregarded international copyright laws to make a quick buck? Oh wait all of that is still happening right now?

Yeah. It's all still happening and stands as a testament to the moral corruption of the PRC, the illegitimate band of criminals that occupies the ROC for the time being. You may be optimistic about this but myself and any other sane person is not. The people living on the mainland won't see this rise in wealth as their overlords work them to death for almost no pay while controlling their lives and stifling any liberty they may enjoy. With any luck these predictions are wrong.

China is simply an entity that needs to be abolished not very different from Nazi Germany even though the Mafia or Los Zetas are better analogues since rulers of China are either foreign invaders or bandits.

[Alien Overlord]

Hey remember when China was literally committing a genocide against it's own people? Or how about that time they forced authoritarianism down the throats of a peaceful democratic system that wanted nothing to do with it (Hong Kong). Or how about that time they oppressed the people of Tibet for no logical reason? Or how about that time they completely disregarded international copyright laws to make a quick buck? Oh wait all of that is still happening right now?

Yeah. It's all still happening and stands as a testament to the moral corruption of the PRC, the illegitimate band of criminals that occupies the ROC for the time being. You may be optimistic about this but myself and any other sane person is not. The people living on the mainland won't see this rise in wealth as their overlords work them to death for almost no pay while controlling their lives and stifling any liberty they may enjoy. With any luck these predictions are wrong.

China is simply an entity that needs to be abolished not very different from Nazi Germany even though the Mafia or Los Zetas are better analogues since rulers of China are either foreign invaders or bandits.

Why we tolerate the PRC is beyond me. Russia is similarly authoritarian so their support is expected, but the free world should work together to weaken the PRC and bring it down. If a dog catches rabies you don't have many options but to put it down, it's almost a mercy at that point. We've seen the same thing with the PRC, it's become a mad dog and the world would benefit far more if the ROC held control over the mainland again.

[Nekostan-e Gharbi]

China is simply an entity that needs to be abolished not very different from Nazi Germany even though the Mafia or Los Zetas are better analogues since rulers of China are either foreign invaders or bandits.

Why we tolerate the PRC is beyond me. Russia is similarly authoritarian so their support is expected, but the free world should work together to weaken the PRC and bring it down. If a dog catches rabies you don't have many options but to put it down, it's almost a mercy at that point. We've seen the same thing with the PRC, it's become a mad dog and the world would benefit far more if the ROC held control over the mainland again.

I definitely strongly agree with you on the PRC. Though the solution is not bringing back ROC. Instead it is abolition of China. ROC also committed a lot of atrocities because atrocities are already accepted as an evil nobody could do anything about in China. To break the cycle China itself has to go.

[Alien Overlord]

Why we tolerate the PRC is beyond me. Russia is similarly authoritarian so their support is expected, but the free world should work together to weaken the PRC and bring it down. If a dog catches rabies you don't have many options but to put it down, it's almost a mercy at that point. We've seen the same thing with the PRC, it's become a mad dog and the world would benefit far more if the ROC held control over the mainland again.

I definitely strongly agree with you on the PRC. Though the solution is not bringing back ROC. Instead it is abolition of China. ROC also committed a lot of atrocities because atrocities are already accepted as an evil nobody could do anything about in China. To break the cycle China itself has to go.

Maybe break it into multiple states like it was during the Warlords period in the 1930's/1940's? I could definitely get behind the idea of breaking the PRC up into smaller nations.

[Nekostan-e Gharbi]

I definitely strongly agree with you on the PRC. Though the solution is not bringing back ROC. Instead it is abolition of China. ROC also committed a lot of atrocities because atrocities are already accepted as an evil nobody could do anything about in China. To break the cycle China itself has to go.

Maybe break it into multiple states like it was during the Warlords period in the 1930's/1940's? I could definitely get behind the idea of breaking the PRC up into smaller nations.

Yup and put them under international supervision to ensure stuff such as minimum labor rights so that Slave Power can be permanently shut down.

[Ayytaly]

Back in 2019 Kraut and Tea made a great video about how Trump basically gave China more power over the rest of Asia after removing the US from the TPP.

[Sykar Socialist]

China is irredenta 25986 days(NS)
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[Great Pacific Switzerland]

Australia and NZ are under threat of china. Unless Australia undergoes complete isolation and increases industry to combat China we ain't gonna survive. I want for home-produced products to come back, too bad the free-market is a dirty busniess