The Rise of China

[Picairn]

That has not happened at all. And it's not like China needs Australia either despite Australia's bad attitude, see: https://www.quora.com/Do-China-and-Aust ... asmussen-9 You are the "bully" you claim China is, per your exact words.

Lmao imagine quoting a Quora answer as evidence. China is living in a glass palace right now, calling other countries "bullies" while conveniently forgetting its history of bullying smaller countries.

[Adamede]

Bullshit. Xi and all the others in that damn communist party are arrogant, stuck-up pigs. They have the gall to tell Australia to get its shit together for pressing for a much-needed inquiry into the origins of the coronavirus, then when Australia goes to the WTO for China blocking Australian Beef, Wine, and Barley they dare to accuse us of ‘playing the victim’, which we very much fucking are! Mind you, all while there has been NO government contact between Australia and China, although we have contacted them on many occasions? That’s just fucking bullying.
The only solution is to fucking block all trade with that fascist dystopia, I’m very surprised they haven’t considered that they’re completely dependent of Australian coal and iron! They’ll come back crying, and we should tell them to fuck themselves.

That has not happened at all. And it's not like China needs Australia either despite Australia's bad attitude, see: https://www.quora.com/Do-China-and-Aust ... asmussen-9 You are the "bully" you claim China is, per your exact words.

And thank you for your kind, respectful comments up there. You have thus been reported. No Chinese would make inappropriate statements like yours anyways.

Lol

You have to be what, 13 to be able to post on Quora?

And the idea that China is getting bullied by Australia is fucking ridiculous.

[Nekostan-e Gharbi]

It does not affect the nature of either Israel or China. Israel is still the safe haven for the Jewish people and China is still the unsafe anti-haven for the Chinese people. When Jewish people are threatened elsewhere they flee into Israel. When Chinese people are threatened by China we flee from China.

Continue explaining away why overseas Chinese and PRC citizens, even Hong Kongese chose to return home rather than stay in covid ridden USA, the covid leader. Or why anyone'd tolerate such incompetence.

SMCP: https://www.asianewsday.com/why-an-amer ... -outbreak/

This mother=Stanford University law school/Harvard graduate, Former Presidential Senior Advisor (Obama)/Speechwriter (Bill/Hillary Clinton) June Shih is director of University Communications for NYU Shanghai (USA's top ranked college), where she oversees all public affairs, digital communications, and marketing activities. https://shanghai.nyu.edu/leadership/june-shih

There are indeed deluded Sinostatists out there. After all many went to or returned to the new PRC in the 1950s and ended up persecuted. China is indeed an anti-Israel.

[Nekostan-e Gharbi]

China of course.

Your rather extremist attitudes such as being a diehard defender of...Israel ("Israel is the most humane power that has ever existed" or any arrogant claim would never be spoken by Chinese, this attitude is the antithesis of who we are), complete lack of knowledge re: Chinese history much less rationale for historical policies any K-12 chinese should know, especially when lumping together... Lebanese, of all people, make me sincerely doubt you.(I have had to correct your bad history several times already.) The whole abolishing China thing is far more extremist than even the most loyalist DPP fans. There is not a city in China, ROC or whatever where people are like this.

Unless you mean Hong Kong? But I've never met Hong Kongnese who don't know basic K-12 history taught in Chinese schools.

Just like glorious hong kong (exact word for word quote) stating earlier: "we southerners are arguably more Chinese and more "pure-blooded."

No one in China is interested in blood purity, that is bizarre.

Lol. Even China is diverse enough ideologically to have its own segregationist faction. Please don’t lie. I will dig up some gems to translate if you insist on these claims.

Your lack of understanding about Lebanese Maronite merchants is not surprising since in Sinostatist propaganda all of the Middle East is simply a weird and chaotic war zone.

[Northern Socialist Council Republics]

There are indeed deluded Sinostatists out there. After all many went to or returned to the new PRC in the 1950s and ended up persecuted. China is indeed an anti-Israel.

I ask you, again, to define Sinostatism.

[Picairn]

Apparently the term "Sinostatism" does not exist anywhere, outside of NS and... 4chan boards (wow). In the absence of a definition, I can conclude that it is made up nonsense, not created or validated by any political scientist or institution.

[Nekostan-e Gharbi]

Okay. I have to ask at this point: define “Sinostatism”.

A clear, unambiguous definition is the precondition for any intellectually honest discussion.

Sinostatism (n.) the statist (as in, the state having substantial centralized control over social and economic affairs which is the standard definition) tradition of Chinese origins from the Qin to communist China.

Sinostatism obviously exists since extreme centralized state control over social and economic affairs is traditional and characteristic of the Chinese civilization. Symptoms of Sinostatism includes the Chinese state controlling what’s generally run by businesses or social groups in other civilizations and the widespread belief in the necessity of such statist control in China.

For example the One Child Policy is a manifestation of Sinostatism. Most societies do not have a tradition of a government micromanaging the amount of children each and every member have in the form of a hard limit (and mandatory abortions & sterilizations). The fact that China could arbitrarily set the number to be 1 (or 2 in some provinces) is manifestation of a unique Chinese form of statism.

Another example is the provinces of China which correspond to geographical features a lot more than culture. Usually states and provinces in a non-colony are generally organic and correspond to local autonomous entities, tribes or cultures. Only colonial and Chinese subdivisions tend to ignore such concerns. Since China could maintain such unnatural subdivisions even without foreign rule this phenomenon is a manifestation of a unique intense Chinese form of statism, that is, Sinostatism.

[The Horror Channel]

This doesn’t matter. China mostly causes harm through non-militaristic means. As long as slavery exists somewhere free people everywhere is threatened with enslavement. As long as China exists social, economic and political rights everywhere is threatened.

Swap China for Israel and re-read.

Fully agree.

[Glorious Hong Kong]

Okay. I have to ask at this point: define “Sinostatism”.

A clear, unambiguous definition is the precondition for any intellectually honest discussion.

Sinostatism (n.) the statist (as in, the state having substantial centralized control over social and economic affairs which is the standard definition) tradition of Chinese origins from the Qin to communist China.

Sinostatism obviously exists since extreme centralized state control over social and economic affairs is traditional and characteristic of the Chinese civilization. Symptoms of Sinostatism includes the Chinese state controlling what’s generally run by businesses or social groups in other civilizations and the widespread belief in the necessity of such statist control in China.

For example the One Child Policy is a manifestation of Sinostatism. Most societies do not have a tradition of a government micromanaging the amount of children each and every member have in the form of a hard limit (and mandatory abortions & sterilizations). The fact that China could arbitrarily set the number to be 1 (or 2 in some provinces) is manifestation of a unique Chinese form of statism.

Another example is the provinces of China which correspond to geographical features a lot more than culture. Usually states and provinces in a non-colony are generally organic and correspond to local autonomous entities, tribes or cultures. Only colonial and Chinese subdivisions tend to ignore such concerns. Since China could maintain such unnatural subdivisions even without foreign rule this phenomenon is a manifestation of a unique intense Chinese form of statism, that is, Sinostatism.

You should include this definition in a dispatch and link to it in your sig for easy reference.

[Picairn]

Sinostatism (n.) the statist (as in, the state having substantial centralized control over social and economic affairs which is the standard definition) tradition of Chinese origins from the Qin to communist China.

Sinostatism obviously exists since extreme centralized state control over social and economic affairs is traditional and characteristic of the Chinese civilization. Symptoms of Sinostatism includes the Chinese state controlling what’s generally run by businesses or social groups in other civilizations and the widespread belief in the necessity of such statist control in China.

For example the One Child Policy is a manifestation of Sinostatism. Most societies do not have a tradition of a government micromanaging the amount of children each and every member have in the form of a hard limit (and mandatory abortions & sterilizations). The fact that China could arbitrarily set the number to be 1 (or 2 in some provinces) is manifestation of a unique Chinese form of statism.

Another example is the provinces of China which correspond to geographical features a lot more than culture. Usually states and provinces in a non-colony are generally organic and correspond to local autonomous entities, tribes or cultures. Only colonial and Chinese subdivisions tend to ignore such concerns. Since China could maintain such unnatural subdivisions even without foreign rule this phenomenon is a manifestation of a unique intense Chinese form of statism, that is, Sinostatism.

Does your theory exist in any Western or Chinese academic institution?

[Nekostan-e Gharbi]

Sinostatism (n.) the statist (as in, the state having substantial centralized control over social and economic affairs which is the standard definition) tradition of Chinese origins from the Qin to communist China.

Sinostatism obviously exists since extreme centralized state control over social and economic affairs is traditional and characteristic of the Chinese civilization. Symptoms of Sinostatism includes the Chinese state controlling what’s generally run by businesses or social groups in other civilizations and the widespread belief in the necessity of such statist control in China.

For example the One Child Policy is a manifestation of Sinostatism. Most societies do not have a tradition of a government micromanaging the amount of children each and every member have in the form of a hard limit (and mandatory abortions & sterilizations). The fact that China could arbitrarily set the number to be 1 (or 2 in some provinces) is manifestation of a unique Chinese form of statism.

Another example is the provinces of China which correspond to geographical features a lot more than culture. Usually states and provinces in a non-colony are generally organic and correspond to local autonomous entities, tribes or cultures. Only colonial and Chinese subdivisions tend to ignore such concerns. Since China could maintain such unnatural subdivisions even without foreign rule this phenomenon is a manifestation of a unique intense Chinese form of statism, that is, Sinostatism.

Does your theory exist in any Western or Chinese academic institution?

Yes. Please look up “Chinese statism”. I abbreviated the phrase into a word but the phenomenon which is distinct from communism definitely exists. Traditional Sinostatism is socially conservative and its modern version does have Prussian influence. China, France, Germany and Russia are indeed the four main sources of statist woes and government horrors on Planet Earth. Mixing statist ideologies from one or more of the sources creates statist cocktail which is often even worse than its ingredients.

[Nekostan-e Gharbi]

Sinostatism (n.) the statist (as in, the state having substantial centralized control over social and economic affairs which is the standard definition) tradition of Chinese origins from the Qin to communist China.

Sinostatism obviously exists since extreme centralized state control over social and economic affairs is traditional and characteristic of the Chinese civilization. Symptoms of Sinostatism includes the Chinese state controlling what’s generally run by businesses or social groups in other civilizations and the widespread belief in the necessity of such statist control in China.

For example the One Child Policy is a manifestation of Sinostatism. Most societies do not have a tradition of a government micromanaging the amount of children each and every member have in the form of a hard limit (and mandatory abortions & sterilizations). The fact that China could arbitrarily set the number to be 1 (or 2 in some provinces) is manifestation of a unique Chinese form of statism.

Another example is the provinces of China which correspond to geographical features a lot more than culture. Usually states and provinces in a non-colony are generally organic and correspond to local autonomous entities, tribes or cultures. Only colonial and Chinese subdivisions tend to ignore such concerns. Since China could maintain such unnatural subdivisions even without foreign rule this phenomenon is a manifestation of a unique intense Chinese form of statism, that is, Sinostatism.

You should include this definition in a dispatch and link to it in your sig for easy reference.

Sure. Thanks!

[Nekostan-e Gharbi]

Isolationism wasn't the norm until about the 15th and 16th centuries. Even then trading didn't fully stop and the Qing later implemented the Canton system which wasn't all that much different than the British granting monopoly for trade to the EIC. Further, that was just a restriction on imports i.e. protectionism (something the West also does and historically has preferred); Chinese merchants were still allowed to export goods and Chinese goods were rampant in much of SE Asia to the point where it was harming local economies.

Indeed. Nekostan needs to understand that the problem with China is not its existence, but rather its government.

Communism without China sucks but it still sucks less than China without communism, let alone China with communism. I’d prefer Trotsky to Chiang, Manchu emperors or Beiyang warlords at any time simply because the former was a Jewish intellectual despite his weird ideology (communism) as opposed to a Confucian patriarch. If I were in Vienna 100+ years ago I would have loved to visit a coffee house and listen to Mr. Bronstein at least once even though I would not have ended up agreeing with him just like I like to learn from modern Jewish intellectuals of numerous political and social schools from the socially left-wing Eliezer Yudkowsky and Yuval Harari to the socially right-wing David Goldman and everyone in between such as Ayn Rand, Jonathan Haidt, Joel Kotkin and Emmanuel Todd.

Communism just like Nazism is a crazy and harmful political ideology that does not tend to be very sustainable. China on the other hand is actually sustainable and is hence even more murderous in the long run. Hence the latter is even worse. I disagree with Karl Marx. Yet despite his weird ideology he still had more coherent ideas than everyone in Chinese history combined. Same for weird self-hating Jews such as Israel Shahak and Ron Unz.

[Nekostan-e Gharbi]

Even in Chinese history this was actually nothing lol since China was conquered by Mongols with much worse temporary human and political loss. What’s up about Portugal?

In the long run the net effects of European contact was very positive for NE Asia (including China) and NE Asians. Europeans accidentally caused the region to rapidly modernize and even look outward when in the past isolationism was the norm. Essentially European colonists inadvertently stirred up a huge hornets’ net.

Isolationism wasn't the norm until about the 15th and 16th centuries. Even then trading didn't fully stop and the Qing later implemented the Canton system which wasn't all that much different than the British granting monopoly for trade to the EIC. Further, that was just a restriction on imports i.e. protectionism (something the West also does and historically has preferred); Chinese merchants were still allowed to export goods and Chinese goods were rampant in much of SE Asia to the point where it was harming local economies.

What explained the relative small amount of Chinese in the rest of the world before Opium Wars then? If China were not isolationist Chinese merchants and adventurers would have been at least all over Iran. Arab, Iranian and Indian merchants definitely had significant influence far from their borders.

[Nekostan-e Gharbi]

Isolationism and Sinostatism are much older than CCP or Ming Dynasty.

https://xw.qq.com/cmsid/20190115A04U1000?f=newdc

For those who can read Mandarin this article explains how the supposedly strong and open Tang Dynasty allowed all kinds of foreigners to enter China but banned Chinese from leaving it as well as its anti-merchant Confucian policies. China has always treated the Chinese as subhumans of not non-human animas compared to foreign guests. It has always been and will always be an anti-Israel.

That’s one of the least bad Chinese dynasties but it was still pretty bad. Others were even worse. This is why China with its 2,200+ years of Confucian-Legalist nonsense needs to be abolished once and for all.

[Jamiatadam]

China is going to conquer the world, in this era they had strong economy. They made a great progress in this COVID time. Every one is alarmed by his current situation. America made many sanctions on Chinese companies. So they are making investment of trillions in Pakistan. Also they have strong geographic. So I think China is the next superpower. They dominate the sports sector like Olympics. The most advance in IT, gaming sector thousands of billionaire companies are there.

[Nekostan-e Gharbi]

China is going to conquer the world, in this era they had strong economy. They made a great progress in this COVID time. Every one is alarmed by his current situation. America made many sanctions on Chinese companies. So they are making investment of trillions in Pakistan. Also they have strong geographic. So I think China is the next superpower. They dominate the sports sector like Olympics. The most advance in IT, gaming sector thousands of billionaire companies are there.

If even Stalin or Baghdadi conquers the world there will still be hope for humans. However if China conquers the world it will be the end of humanity in the social sense since China is utterly devoid of kindness.

Imagine a world where everyone files real or false police reports against everyone else to authorities for personal gain. This is the Sinic world. China has been practicing that way before Soviets did. Socially China and hell (in the Christian or Muslim sense) are isomorphic.

[Jamiatadam]

China is going to conquer the world, in this era they had strong economy. They made a great progress in this COVID time. Every one is alarmed by his current situation. America made many sanctions on Chinese companies. So they are making investment of trillions in Pakistan. Also they have strong geographic. So I think China is the next superpower. They dominate the sports sector like Olympics. The most advance in IT, gaming sector thousands of billionaire companies are there.

If even Stalin or Baghdadi conquers the world there will still be hope for humans. However if China conquers the world it will be the end of humanity in the social sense since China is utterly devoid of kindness.

Imagine a world where everyone files real or false police reports against everyone else to authorities for personal gain. This is the Sinic world. China has been practicing that way before Soviets did. Socially China and hell (in the Christian or Muslim sense) are isomorphic.

what do you think is under democracy or dictatorship? because its almost one party country right now, with communist party.

[Nekostan-e Gharbi]

If even Stalin or Baghdadi conquers the world there will still be hope for humans. However if China conquers the world it will be the end of humanity in the social sense since China is utterly devoid of kindness.

Imagine a world where everyone files real or false police reports against everyone else to authorities for personal gain. This is the Sinic world. China has been practicing that way before Soviets did. Socially China and hell (in the Christian or Muslim sense) are isomorphic.

what do you think is under democracy or dictatorship? because its almost one party country right now, with communist party.

It’s more than that. The Communist party is a substantial part of the problem but not the entirety of it. Abolition of China is a necessity to cure Sinostatism.

[Bienenhalde]

So what if I said that Sinostatism was the same thing as Chinese legalism or 法家? Would you consider that accurate?

[Nekostan-e Gharbi]

So what if I said that Sinostatism was the same thing as Chinese legalism or 法家? Would you consider that accurate?

Not entirely since Confucianism is also an important part of it. Chinese legalism alone would have made the system less stable.

Abolition of China is a necessity since merely getting rid of the communist party is not going to get rid of the 2,200-year-old Sinostatist tradition.

[Bienenhalde]

Not entirely since Confucianism is also an important part of it. Chinese legalism alone would have made the system less stable.

Abolition of China is a necessity since merely getting rid of the communist party is not going to get rid of the 2,200-year-old Sinostatist tradition.

What if you tried to abolish legalism, but kept Confucianism?

[Nekostan-e Gharbi]

Not entirely since Confucianism is also an important part of it. Chinese legalism alone would have made the system less stable.

Abolition of China is a necessity since merely getting rid of the communist party is not going to get rid of the 2,200-year-old Sinostatist tradition.

What if you tried to abolish legalism, but kept Confucianism?

It will still result in a disaster. Why do you want to keep it then? You don’t enjoy forcing widows to commit suicide, do you? Foot binding (which essentially disables women) must also be very fun, right? These practices together with Confucianism need to be banished way outside the Overton Window just like Nazism and Communism.

China has to be abolished. As for people who are actually Sinophiles it will be educational for them to live in China before its abolition.

[Sicilian Imperial-Capitalist Empire]

Okay. I have to ask at this point: define “Sinostatism”.

A clear, unambiguous definition is the precondition for any intellectually honest discussion.

Sinostatism (n.) the statist (as in, the state having substantial centralized control over social and economic affairs which is the standard definition) tradition of Chinese origins from the Qin to communist China.

Nekostan... something tells me you don't really understand authoritarianism.

Apparently the term "Sinostatism" does not exist anywhere, outside of NS and... 4chan boards (wow). In the absence of a definition, I can conclude that it is made up nonsense, not created or validated by any political scientist or institution.

Don't expect Nekostan to respond to this. I tried to throw this fishing hook out but I caught nothing.

Okay. I have to ask at this point: define “Sinostatism”.

A clear, unambiguous definition is the precondition for any intellectually honest discussion.

Sinostatism (n.) the statist (as in, the state having substantial centralized control over social and economic affairs which is the standard definition) tradition of Chinese origins from the Qin to communist China.

Sinostatism obviously exists since extreme centralized state control over social and economic affairs is traditional and characteristic of the Chinese civilization. Symptoms of Sinostatism includes the Chinese state controlling what’s generally run by businesses or social groups in other civilizations and the widespread belief in the necessity of such statist control in China.

For example the One Child Policy is a manifestation of Sinostatism. Most societies do not have a tradition of a government micromanaging the amount of children each and every member have in the form of a hard limit (and mandatory abortions & sterilizations). The fact that China could arbitrarily set the number to be 1 (or 2 in some provinces) is manifestation of a unique Chinese form of statism.

Another example is the provinces of China which correspond to geographical features a lot more than culture. Usually states and provinces in a non-colony are generally organic and correspond to local autonomous entities, tribes or cultures. Only colonial and Chinese subdivisions tend to ignore such concerns. Since China could maintain such unnatural subdivisions even without foreign rule this phenomenon is a manifestation of a unique intense Chinese form of statism, that is, Sinostatism.

By that logic I could claim that America needs to be abolished because it has a tradition of deeply rooted racism and oppression.

Does your theory exist in any Western or Chinese academic institution?

Yes. Please look up “Chinese statism”. I abbreviated the phrase into a word but the phenomenon which is distinct from communism definitely exists. Traditional Sinostatism is socially conservative and its modern version does have Prussian influence. China, France, Germany and Russia are indeed the four main sources of statist woes and government horrors on Planet Earth. Mixing statist ideologies from one or more of the sources creates statist cocktail which is often even worse than its ingredients.

All I could find was a guy talking about Xi Jinping's authoritarianism, not China's """""inherent""""" authoritarianism.

Everything else besides that one source was just "define statism."

Indeed. Nekostan needs to understand that the problem with China is not its existence, but rather its government.

Communism without China sucks but it still sucks less than China without communism, let alone China with communism. I’d prefer Trotsky to Chiang, Manchu emperors or Beiyang warlords at any time simply because the former was a Jewish intellectual despite his weird ideology (communism) as opposed to a Confucian patriarch. If I were in Vienna 100+ years ago I would have loved to visit a coffee house and listen to Mr. Bronstein at least once even though I would not have ended up agreeing with him just like I like to learn from modern Jewish intellectuals of numerous political and social schools from the socially left-wing Eliezer Yudkowsky and Yuval Harari to the socially right-wing David Goldman and everyone in between such as Ayn Rand, Jonathan Haidt, Joel Kotkin and Emmanuel Todd.

Communism just like Nazism is a crazy and harmful political ideology that does not tend to be very sustainable. China on the other hand is actually sustainable and is hence even more murderous in the long run. Hence the latter is even worse. I disagree with Karl Marx. Yet despite his weird ideology he still had more coherent ideas than everyone in Chinese history combined. Same for weird self-hating Jews such as Israel Shahak and Ron Unz.

Ok yep we have some real racism here...

Isolationism wasn't the norm until about the 15th and 16th centuries. Even then trading didn't fully stop and the Qing later implemented the Canton system which wasn't all that much different than the British granting monopoly for trade to the EIC. Further, that was just a restriction on imports i.e. protectionism (something the West also does and historically has preferred); Chinese merchants were still allowed to export goods and Chinese goods were rampant in much of SE Asia to the point where it was harming local economies.

What explained the relative small amount of Chinese in the rest of the world before Opium Wars then? If China were not isolationist Chinese merchants and adventurers would have been at least all over Iran. Arab, Iranian and Indian merchants definitely had significant influence far from their borders.

...you clearly haven't read any Chinese history if you're saying stuff like this. I could easily disprove this by talking about Chinese in East Africa and Southeast Asia.

[Sicilian Imperial-Capitalist Empire]

Even in Chinese history this was actually nothing lol since China was conquered by Mongols with much worse temporary human and political loss.

Now that is a downright unfair comparison. The Mongols and Chinese had been neighbors for centuries by this point, and more importantly: nomads to the north had a historic tradition of raiding and straight up invading China from time to time. The Mongols weren't the first nomads to invade, nor would they be the last. From the perspective of China, this was just something that would occasionally happen throughout their history.

The British and Japanese, meanwhile, were, from the perspective of China, on tiny insignificant islands that couldn't beat them. They weren't like the nomads to the north that had essentially been frightening to every Chinese dynasty that faced them, they were tiny from the perspective of the Qing. And the fact that they couldn't beat them was humiliating.

What’s up about Portugal?

Portugal established a large colonial empire without having to actually conquer territory. Aside from Brazil in South America, most of their colonial empire rested on port cities dotted across the African and Asian coastlines. They used these ports to project power and economically exploit their areas of influence. The same thing happened when China had to concede treaty ports to European powers and Japan. The British in particular economically exploited China by forcing them to buy their opium, and the result was that wealth flowed out of China, not in. European missionaries also inadvertently destabilized China by introducing Christianity, leading to a series of bloody rebellions and uprisings that only further weakened the Qing and paved the way for their eventual downfall. The devastation from these wars combined with the flooding of the Yellow River was so catastrophic that it left millions to starve and/or flee China.

In the long run the net effects of European contact was very positive for NE Asia (including China) and NE Asians. Europeans accidentally caused the region to rapidly modernize and even look outward when in the past isolationism was the norm. Essentially European colonists inadvertently stirred up a huge hornets’ net.

Obviously that's not true because China refused to modernize and it ended in the overthrow of the Qing.

So yeah, China in all fairness was the world's punching bag before it's democratic and nationalist revolution.

Sicilian Imperial-Capitalist Empire That's true of their overall LPI scores but not their infrastructure scores.
In terms of infrastructure the US has a score of 4.05.
- Germany (4.37)
- Sweden (4.24)
- Austria (4.18)
- Netherlands (4.21)

Denmark (3.96), Finland (4.00), and Belgium (3.98) all rank lower on this metric.

Ah, I see. That is how you got 4...

...now back to arguing with Nekostan. Abolishing China is an absurd idea.

You have also not responded to this post that I have quoted, Nekostan.