The Rise of China

[Nekostan-e Gharbi]

It’s funny that nations of the world have a really high ethical standard for Israel and Jewish people and at the same time zero standard for China. It’s as if even antisemites reluctantly agree that Israel is a Light Unto the Nations.

Israel is not a threat to global security since it is about as large as Massachusetts (well, Israel is 8% larger than MA but you get it). How is it a threat to anyone or anything?? Antisemites are an existential threat to Jewish security and Israeli activities are defense against antisemitic extermination attempts.

Ok. What is an Apartheid state? The word “Apartheid” is originally Afrikaner. For Israel to be an Apartheid state it needs to actually have legal ethnicity-based segregation and deny all Arabs citizenship. Hmm..has that happened? Nope.

Wrong

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Gr ... eement.svg

You haven’t refuted my arguments.

Also the topic is China, not Israel.

[Adamede]

What? I am part Tibetan. I don't want to live under monastic slavery as a serf. In the 「good old days,」 modern medicine was forbidden, don't get started on modern science. Now we share in the blessings of China such as this: China's greatest (co)invention of the century>> https://youtu.be/XpIG9dq1PQw?t=151

A modern independent Tibet would not necessarily go back to how it was when it was conquered in 1950, anymore than Texas would go back to being the lightly populated agrarian country it was when the US annexed it.

「Why do you want to pay taxes to be transferred to T̶i̶b̶e̶t̶ Palestine, (Confederate) Mississippi, Ohio? These are very poor provinces that don’t want to be C̶h̶i̶n̶e̶s̶e̶ Israeli, American anyway

The people in the states of Mississippi and Ohio (this one was never Confederate) are generally fine with being American, however much they disagree with the federal government. There aren't any secessionist tendencies there which are comparable to Palestine or the more secessionist-leaning variants of Hong Kongers.

Tibetan tradition makes it impossible to become a modern republic. Even you make it become. It will soon become theocracy nation as an indian puppet.
If you launch a independent vote,you'll know what are most Tibetans thinking.

Traditions change.

[UniversalCommons]

The whole thing with China is having that huge population that combines with skills, education, and commerce which will eventually put it in the lead simply because of the number of educated people, merchants, and factories. They will have more than everyone else. It is kind of strange because you would think India would have the will to do a similar thing. However, there is a real caste system in India that puts limits on people. There seems to be a desire for a more stratified society.

[Kexholm Karelia]

Tibetan tradition makes it impossible to become a modern republic. Even you make it become. It will soon become theocracy nation as an indian puppet.
If you launch a independent vote,you'll know what are most Tibetans thinking.

Traditions change.

Yeah lol 70 years ago Tibet had literal slavery, but no one in the Tibetan GIE supports it anymore

[Adamede]

Traditions change.

Yeah lol 70 years ago Tibet had literal slavery, but no one in the Tibetan GIE supports it anymore

And I mean it’s not like the PRC practices what is effectively slavery or anything.

[The Horror Channel]

Wrong

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You haven’t refuted my arguments.

Also the topic is China, not Israel.

Wrong.

I stand by my original statements

[Nekostan-e Gharbi]

Yeah lol 70 years ago Tibet had literal slavery, but no one in the Tibetan GIE supports it anymore

And I mean it’s not like the PRC practices what is effectively slavery or anything.

It does operate concentration camps. People are not bought or sold but they are in camps. What exactly is that? Communism-Nazism?

[Nekostan-e Gharbi]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Gr ... eement.svg

You haven’t refuted my arguments.

Also the topic is China, not Israel.

Wrong.

I stand by my original statements

You haven’t argue for them hence we can freely dismiss them.

[Pan Evropa]

Yeah it is probably better that the CCP are dragged before the Hague and China is partitioned.

[Bienenhalde]

Why do you want to pay taxes to be transferred to East Turkestan and Tibet? These are very poor provinces that don’t want to be Chinese anyway. Let them go and everyone will be happier. The only concern is with the source of Yangtze and Yellow Rivers that are currently in Qinghai. If Tibet ever takes it it must never be allowed to dam the rivers.

So why wouldn't it be in the interests of Xinjiang and Tibet to be in a democratic, federal Republic of China, especially in they receive generous subsidies?

[Nekostan-e Gharbi]

Why do you want to pay taxes to be transferred to East Turkestan and Tibet? These are very poor provinces that don’t want to be Chinese anyway. Let them go and everyone will be happier. The only concern is with the source of Yangtze and Yellow Rivers that are currently in Qinghai. If Tibet ever takes it it must never be allowed to dam the rivers.

So why wouldn't it be in the interests of Xinjiang and Tibet to be in a democratic, federal Republic of China, especially in they receive generous subsidies?

For East Turkestan it is much better for them to ally with those who are actually culturally similar to them such as Iranians and Turks. For Tibetans their nature allies are indeed India, Nepal and Bhutan.

The main reason why China mistreats them a lot is that as a self-isolationist entity it can not understand people different from what it is familiar with.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

So why wouldn't it be in the interests of Xinjiang and Tibet to be in a democratic, federal Republic of China, especially in they receive generous subsidies?

For East Turkestan it is much better for them to ally with those who are actually culturally similar to them such as Iranians and Turks. For Tibetans their nature allies are indeed India, Nepal and Bhutan.

Why should East Turkestan choose what you think they should do? It's not like culturally and ethnically similar peoples have waged war on each other throughout history.

[Nekostan-e Gharbi]

For East Turkestan it is much better for them to ally with those who are actually culturally similar to them such as Iranians and Turks. For Tibetans their nature allies are indeed India, Nepal and Bhutan.

Why should East Turkestan choose what you think they should do?

That’s what they will choose on average anyway. They have even less reason to have anything to do with China compared to Tibet. Iran and Turkey have a lot of potential.

[Bienenhalde]

I thought he was a "姨学家"，but seem like he wants Chinese become the shadow controllers of world like Jews in Western images. Maybe this is final evolution of "皇汉".

Neither. It is more like an alliance of Jewish, Anglo, Chinese, Lebanese, Gujarati Indian and other merchants and intellectuals will run and protect the world from all internal and external threats to humanity. Stuff such as Nazism, alien invasions etc belong to the same class, namely threats to humanity. We should work together and address them. This will be a world where pogroms won’t ever happen. Turks won’t be able to murder Greeks, Solomon Islanders won’t be able to murder Chinese, Ugandans won’t be able to murder Gujaratis and nobody will ever murder a Jewish person for being Jewish. It will be a world where Amy Chuas in the world will perpetually be safe.

I’m more concerned about humanity as a whole than one ethnic group. It’s not that hard for a Northeast Asian group to rise to the top on this planet in the 21st century but I believe given the lack of cultural integration between NE Asia and the rest of the world this will probably cause the Egyptian-Greco-Roman-Germanic civilization and other European & Middle Eastern civilizations to be lost. This is why I prefer a gradual mutual integration.

Well, much of this sounds good in theory, but our merchants really the people you want to have more power? Maybe this isn't true in all cases, but I think there are reasons why merchants are often seen as greedy philistines who only care about profit and not the general good of humanity or the advancement of culture.

[The Horror Channel]

Wrong.

I stand by my original statements

You haven’t argue for them hence we can freely dismiss them.

Wrong.

You lose.

[Nekostan-e Gharbi]

Neither. It is more like an alliance of Jewish, Anglo, Chinese, Lebanese, Gujarati Indian and other merchants and intellectuals will run and protect the world from all internal and external threats to humanity. Stuff such as Nazism, alien invasions etc belong to the same class, namely threats to humanity. We should work together and address them. This will be a world where pogroms won’t ever happen. Turks won’t be able to murder Greeks, Solomon Islanders won’t be able to murder Chinese, Ugandans won’t be able to murder Gujaratis and nobody will ever murder a Jewish person for being Jewish. It will be a world where Amy Chuas in the world will perpetually be safe.

I’m more concerned about humanity as a whole than one ethnic group. It’s not that hard for a Northeast Asian group to rise to the top on this planet in the 21st century but I believe given the lack of cultural integration between NE Asia and the rest of the world this will probably cause the Egyptian-Greco-Roman-Germanic civilization and other European & Middle Eastern civilizations to be lost. This is why I prefer a gradual mutual integration.

Well, much of this sounds good in theory, but our merchants really the people you want to have more power? Maybe this isn't true in all cases, but I think there are reasons why merchants are often seen as greedy philistines who only care about profit and not the general good of humanity or the advancement of culture.

If you want me to be blunt then different cultures are different due to their history and for ethnic Chinese Randism is about right. It doesn’t mean it is appropriate for Bedouins or Russians.

Merchants often advance culture. Who do you think developed lots of open source tools? Mostly researchers at Google, Microsoft and other major tech companies. Yes what they do is often good for humanity regardless of their intention. Do you not use Google? Have you ever had a Facebook account? Merchants are obviously improving the lives of humanity more significantly than governments or charities.

Anglo classical liberals and the Jewish and other merchants vilified by distractors such as antisemites are right.

[Picairn]

Wrong

Wrong.

I stand by my original statements

Wrong.

You lose.

Dude, we get it, you are just here to make a political statement and not actually looking for a discussion. Go back to Twitter with your repetitive one-liners. It's not even funny or original.

[Nekostan-e Gharbi]

It’s interesting that some people advocate for police abolitionism. Similar arguments can be used for China abolitionism.

[The Holy Britainnian Empire]

I think I argued in the US politics thread how dangerous the storming of the Capitol was, right? Democracy needs to be maintained to prevent Hitler, Chavez or Erdogan from taking power.

These are two things.Normal will not come back util the problems that trump supporters face can be solved.They are the victims of neoliberalism and globalization, the group abandoned by capitalists

No, the issue with Trump supporters is that they've been lied to for 3 months by Trump and his allies in the Congress and media who continued to insist, with no evidence at all, that the election was somehow stolen from them or unfair to them; that was the reason they stormed the Capitol, not any kind of economic suffering. I am curious, however, how they're victims of neoliberalism and globalization?

[Shanghai industrial complex]

These are two things.Normal will not come back util the problems that trump supporters face can be solved.They are the victims of neoliberalism and globalization, the group abandoned by capitalists

No, the issue with Trump supporters is that they've been lied to for 3 months by Trump and his allies in the Congress and media who continued to insist, with no evidence at all, that the election was somehow stolen from them or unfair to them; that was the reason they stormed the Capitol, not any kind of economic suffering. I am curious, however, how they're victims of neoliberalism and globalization?

They are not baby.They know what they're doing. There are at least 75 million supporters of trump.The impact on the Capitol is not a problem, but a consequence of their unresponsive demands and unsolved problems.Can trump lie so many people believe in it?No,they hope.Either the American idiots are too many, or because they hope trump brings change.Trump said what they wanted to say, so they supported him.The reality is that the data shows that American capitalists are getting richer, while the number of middle class is declining.They were bitter, they were angry, and trump discovered and used this. So Hillary lost and Biden won hard.

[Yuzu China]

So why wouldn't it be in the interests of Xinjiang and Tibet to be in a democratic, federal Republic of China, especially in they receive generous subsidies?

For East Turkestan it is much better for them to ally with those who are actually culturally similar to them such as Iranians and Turks. For Tibetans their nature allies are indeed India, Nepal and Bhutan.

The main reason why China mistreats them a lot is that as a self-isolationist entity it can not understand people different from what it is familiar with.

You are not Tibetan unlike me, you understand nothing. India is one of the world's poorest, backwards and illiterate countries. It can't handle itself much less Pakistan or whatever. It is on the brink of collapse after the massive Covid lockdown protests. You must explain exactly how this country who has completely failed Covid control has to teach Tibet, who under China has one of the world's best responses? I don't feel very 「free」 choking to death from Covid, do you? Tibetans are ultimately not South Asian at all, there is no commonality at all. Mistreat what, go back to banning modern science while practicing literal monastic slavery?

I don't have to get started on the Central Asian/Iran basketcases? Check the covid charts/econ indicators

[Yuzu China]

They actually like being part of China. I'm one of them. In fact, nowadays lots of overseas Tibetans are returning back to evil China, just check the numbers.

Well, you are not representative for Tibetans. If you personally want to be part of China, so be it. That doesn’t mean others should also be there.

You don't speak for the Palestinians much less for Jews against Israeli aggression, and I say this as someone who strongly supports Israel against the irritating Palestine claptrap--the land, capital etc isn't even Palestinian at all, they are not entitled to anything.+They are Marxist terrorists who are into strange things like this: https://www.timesofisrael.com/we-were-i ... see-blood/


But: Since you're blindingly proIsrael. don't be a hypocrite, tear down the Palestine border wall/allow people to go to church at least for Christmas church services!!! https://www.reuters.com/article/us-isra ... SKBN1YG2E9

Or don't hypocritically blast Trump for doing so. Fix your own problems first.

[The Horror Channel]

Wrong

Wrong.

I stand by my original statements

Wrong.

You lose.

Dude, we get it, you are just here to make a political statement and not actually looking for a discussion. Go back to Twitter with your repetitive one-liners. It's not even funny or original.

No, but thanks for playing

[Yuzu China]

Well, much of this sounds good in theory, but our merchants really the people you want to have more power? Maybe this isn't true in all cases, but I think there are reasons why merchants are often seen as greedy philistines who only care about profit and not the general good of humanity or the advancement of culture.

If you want me to be blunt then different cultures are different due to their history and for ethnic Chinese Randism is about right. It doesn’t mean it is appropriate for Bedouins or Russians.

Merchants often advance culture. Who do you think developed lots of open source tools? Mostly researchers at Google, Microsoft and other major tech companies. Yes what they do is often good for humanity regardless of their intention. Do you not use Google? Have you ever had a Facebook account? Merchants are obviously improving the lives of humanity more significantly than governments or charities.

Anglo classical liberals and the Jewish and other merchants vilified by distractors such as antisemites are right.

Ironically, Israel is more socialist leaning rather than being the free market paradise you're conjuring, what with the Kibbutzes. And the taxes there are insane. No need to casually「vilify」 others with ad hominems.

+if you mean Randism as in Ayn Rand's Objectivism, that is too far out. Glorifies selfishness as a virtue. ironically I'm a big fan of her writing myself

[Dowaesk]

Just pray that there is no Uyghur Holocaust