Argentine Senate to vote on legalizing abortion

[Genivaria]

The fact that this is happening in Argentina means the world is truly fucking ending.

Now millions more innocent children will be murdered every year. We have truly failed as a society and have grotesquely violated the human right to life.

Y'all say that making abortion illegal is barbaric and primitive? The alternative is just a modern incarnation of child sacrifice in the far east thousands of years ago.

Shit how did you know that we were Ba'al worshippers?

[Genivaria]

It's weird the same people who are against abortion are usually against proper sex education, healthcare funding, and contraceptive use.

I'm actually not against sex ed or contraception, just abortion. Really, I believe there should be many more restrictions on who can have children legally in the first place, but that's a topic for another time/thread.

I and many others rightly view abortion as murder of a human child, plain and simple. There are those that claim that a fetus is not a person, and therefore they don't have the same rights as everyone who has already been born into the this world, and to me this is comparable to racial or sexual discrimination. The idea that an unborn child is not a person due to their unborn status and not deserving of separate personhood from their mother is comparable to the idea that black slaves weren't human because they were black, and therefore considered property of the slave owner. Abortion is just another form of discrimination based on age, and a type of discrimination that violates the inalienable right to life when said unborn child has done absolutely nothing wrong. They didn't have the choice of being conceived, and those who are discriminated against because of their race didn't have a choice in what race they were, so why should either be punished for those attributes? Abortion is a sick practice that condones the murder of those who cannot protect themselves.

This sounds like someone who's never actually read the arguments against their position.

[Heloin]

The fact that this is happening in Argentina means the world is truly fucking ending.

Now millions more innocent children will be murdered every year. We have truly failed as a society and have grotesquely violated the human right to life.

Y'all say that making abortion illegal is barbaric and primitive? The alternative is just a modern incarnation of child sacrifice in the far east thousands of years ago.

"Far east"? What are you defining as "far east" here, bro? The "far east" is Eastern Siberia, East Asia, and Southeast Asia.

Child sacrifice took place in pre-Columbian Mesoamerica, the Ancient Near East (Mesopotamia and the Levant), pre-Islamic Arabia, Eastern & Southern Africa, Carthage and Phoenicia, Minoa, and even the fucking Ancient Romans and Greeks did it but as far as I know no Far Eastern culture ever had such a practice.

Clearly it’s the East Midlands.

[Kannap]

It's weird the same people who are against abortion are usually against proper sex education, healthcare funding, and contraceptive use.

I'm actually not against sex ed or contraception, just abortion. Really, I believe there should be many more restrictions on who can have children legally in the first place, but that's a topic for another time/thread.

Losing interest in anything you have to say after reading that, really, but I'll push on.

I and many others rightly view abortion as murder of a human child, plain and simple.

That's a silly view to have

There are those that claim that a fetus is not a person, and therefore they don't have the same rights as everyone who has already been born into the this world, and to me this is comparable to racial or sexual discrimination.

That's another silly view to have.

The idea that an unborn child is not a person due to their unborn status and not deserving of separate personhood from their mother is comparable to the idea that black slaves weren't human because they were black, and therefore considered property of the slave owner.

More silly views

Abortion is just another form of discrimination based on age, and a type of discrimination that violates the inalienable right to life when said unborn child has done absolutely nothing wrong.

More silly silly views

They didn't have the choice of being conceived, and those who are discriminated against because of their race didn't have a choice in what race they were, so why should either be punished for those attributes? Abortion is a sick practice that condones the murder of those who cannot protect themselves.

silly view overload

I was originally going to draft a proper response to this. But the things you said were so outrageous, they don't merit a serious response.

[Picairn]

The fact that this is happening in Argentina means the world is truly fucking ending.

Now millions more innocent children will be murdered every year. We have truly failed as a society and have grotesquely violated the human right to life.

Y'all say that making abortion illegal is barbaric and primitive? The alternative is just a modern incarnation of child sacrifice in the far east thousands of years ago.

I'm actually not against sex ed or contraception, just abortion. Really, I believe there should be many more restrictions on who can have children legally in the first place, but that's a topic for another time/thread.

I and many others rightly view abortion as murder of a human child, plain and simple. There are those that claim that a fetus is not a person, and therefore they don't have the same rights as everyone who has already been born into the this world, and to me this is comparable to racial or sexual discrimination. The idea that an unborn child is not a person due to their unborn status and not deserving of separate personhood from their mother is comparable to the idea that black slaves weren't human because they were black, and therefore considered property of the slave owner. Abortion is just another form of discrimination based on age, and a type of discrimination that violates the inalienable right to life when said unborn child has done absolutely nothing wrong. They didn't have the choice of being conceived, and those who are discriminated against because of their race didn't have a choice in what race they were, so why should either be punished for those attributes? Abortion is a sick practice that condones the murder of those who cannot protect themselves.

So much BS cobbled together in a pathetic effort at the Gish-Gallop. The comparisons to racial/sexual/age discrimination is really hilarious.

[Minoa]

The fact that this is happening in Argentina means the world is truly fucking ending.

The fact that this is happening in Argentina means the world is realising that while freedom of religion is important, there is no excuse for anyone to deny someone else their human right in the name of religion. I believe that abortion is a very sensitive subject where religious interference is not helpful.

I’m watching you, the Government of El Salvador (source).

[The Huskar Social Union]

Abortion = Slavery

Well there you go, dumbest thing of the new year so far.

[An Alan Smithee Nation]

"Far east"? What are you defining as "far east" here, bro? The "far east" is Eastern Siberia, East Asia, and Southeast Asia.

Child sacrifice took place in pre-Columbian Mesoamerica, the Ancient Near East (Mesopotamia and the Levant), pre-Islamic Arabia, Eastern & Southern Africa, Carthage and Phoenicia, Minoa, and even the fucking Ancient Romans and Greeks did it but as far as I know no Far Eastern culture ever had such a practice.

Clearly it’s the East Midlands.

Yeah, we have a giant Moloch just outside Coalville.

[Cultural Posadism]

Better to have them done safely at home than unsafely or in another country.

You know what also helps reduce abortions? Proper sex education, healthcare funding and affordable and accessible contraceptives.

It's weird the same people who are against abortion are usually against proper sex education, healthcare funding, and contraceptive use.

This has been specially true during the abortion debate here: the pro-choice campaign is very explicit about demanding abortion rights while also supporting comprehensive sex ed and access to contraceptives. Meanwhile, the anti-choice campaign held marches and lobbied against comprehensive sex ed almost immediately after another abortion bill failed to pass in 2018.

[Atheris]

The fact that this is happening in Argentina means the world is truly fucking ending.

Now millions more innocent children will be murdered every year. We have truly failed as a society and have grotesquely violated the human right to life.

Y'all say that making abortion illegal is barbaric and primitive? The alternative is just a modern incarnation of child sacrifice in the far east thousands of years ago.

Shit how did you know that we were Ba'al worshippers?

B-b-b-b-b-b-but Ba'al isn't just one god! It's a title, like Christ, Peace Be Upon Him, or Father!

[Thermodolia]

tbh one of the best posts so far in this thread.

Better to have them done safely at home than unsafely or in another country.

You know what also helps reduce abortions? Proper sex education, healthcare funding and affordable and accessible contraceptives.

Which is why I, who doesn’t like abortion at all, support mandatory sex education, UHC, free contraceptives, and programs to assist in adoption.

[Freiheit Reich]

This is OK but I hope they offer free or cheap birth control at clinics all over the nation so unwanted births can be prevented (abortions are a bit tragic although an unwanted child is a bigger tragedy). Free sterilization should be offered and encouraged (perhaps with a propaganda campaign) as well. I know Catholics are against birth control, BUT not everybody in Argentina is Catholic and churches shouldn't have power to control laws. After all, sterilization is much cheaper for taxpayers than paying for that child's health care and education.

[Jershaland]

When the life or health of the mother is at risk, the fetus won't live long after birth or not at all, and when the fetus has severe abnormalities are the only reasons I would personally ever support abortion. I'm not a fan of abortion on demand for any reason, but I also don't think it should be illegal. It's a complicated situation to me and one I haven't completely formed an opinion on.