Is Celibacy Good?

[Kannap]

Has this entire thread been essentially "it's neither good nor bad", "it's up to them", and "promiscuity and celibacy are just the same: a non-issue?". Lol

Pretty much. Except for Sun insisting that we're all wrong.

Normal thread then.

[Dogmeat]

A. Dogs are paragons of virtue
B. Dogs are not Celibate
THEREFORE Celibacy is not good

A. If Dogs were celibate, there would be no puppies
B. Puppies are the best thing ever
THEREFORE Celibacy is not good

[Genivaria]

A. Dogs are paragons of virtue
B. Dogs are not Celibate
THEREFORE Celibacy is not good

A. If Dogs were celibate, there would be no puppies
B. Puppies are the best thing ever
THEREFORE Celibacy is not good

Dogs are good bois yes, this is true.

Puppies are the best thing ever

Objective fact yes.

[Sundiata]

I'm personally really in favor of it, but I don't think it's for everyone.

Between the choice of marriage, it certainly isn't for a prolonged period. Those who manage to remain celibate for a lifetime are especially fortunate.

[Adamede]

A. Dogs are paragons of virtue
B. Dogs are not Celibate
THEREFORE Celibacy is not good

A. If Dogs were celibate, there would be no puppies
B. Puppies are the best thing ever
THEREFORE Celibacy is not good

This is sound logic

[Adamede]

I'm personally really in favor of it, but I don't think it's for everyone.

Between the choice of marriage, it certainly isn't for a prolonged period. Those who manage to remain celibate for a lifetime are especially fortunate.

Again, your preferences are not facts.

[Sundiata]

I mean, unless we want to suddenly stop having children I would advise against universal celibacy.

It's certainly good for those called to it.

Not universal celibacy all of the time, more-so the personal default celibacy opposed to promiscuity.

[Socialist States of Ludistan]

Who the hell cares about celibacy?
If someone mentions that as one of their traits I’ll know they’re uninteresting.

[Sundiata]

Between the choice of marriage, it certainly isn't for a prolonged period. Those who manage to remain celibate for a lifetime are especially fortunate.

Again, your preferences are not facts.

My personal preferences aren't relevant, there's the premise of natural law preceded by divine way or command. As of now, I prefer marriage for myself. However, celibacy tends to be the way of people who have really aligned their conduct with the natural law, again preceded by divine way.

[Nuestro Salvador de San Pedro]

What do you mean? It's great to have friendships where you're not being hit on or someone stops talking to you because they're expecting "more" from you. Celibacy maintains that stability on your end as an individual, allowing for beautiful relationships.

Maybe if you think that this is what sex is about, you should indeed stay celibate...

[Kernen]

Given that one can have meaningful and deep relationships unencumbered by sex while still noncelibate, celibacy seems unnecessary.

[Sundiata]

What do you mean? It's great to have friendships where you're not being hit on or someone stops talking to you because they're expecting "more" from you. Celibacy maintains that stability on your end as an individual, allowing for beautiful relationships.

Maybe if you think that this is what sex is about, you should indeed stay celibate...

Sex is not about dishonesty. It's ultimately about God. While celibacy is the most logical pursuit, sex within marriage is possibly more fruitful for some than others.

[Neutraligon]

Again, your preferences are not facts.

My personal preferences aren't relevant, there's the premise of natural law preceded by divine way or command. As of now, I prefer marriage for myself. However, celibacy tends to be the way of people who have really aligned their conduct with the natural law, again preceded by divine way.

Sure there is the fact that such a premise exists, it is of course not based in reality. Your following statement makes even less sense.

Maybe if you think that this is what sex is about, you should indeed stay celibate...

Sex is not about dishonesty. It's ultimately about God. While celibacy is the most logical pursuit, sex within marriage is possibly more fruitful for some than others.

Nope, sex has nothing to do with god. Sex is personal or about a relationship with another human. Your god is not welcome as a third in this act. Celibacy is no more logical then having sex.

[Sundiata]

Given that one can have meaningful and deep relationships unencumbered by sex while still noncelibate, celibacy seems unnecessary.

Let's narrow that down. While technically true, our friendships and romantic relationships necessitate distinct boundaries. For example, the difference between friendship and courtship.

[Sundiata]

Sure there is the fact that such a premise exists, it is of course not based in reality. Your following statement makes even less sense.

Divine law is a logical premise, like A being A, for example.

[Istoreya]

Maybe if you think that this is what sex is about, you should indeed stay celibate...

Sex is not about dishonesty. It's ultimately about God. While celibacy is the most logical pursuit, sex within marriage is possibly more fruitful for some than others.

I'm an atheist. God is the furthest thing on my mind when I'm in the bedroom with my boyfriend. While it's fine to believe that celibacy is the right choice for you because God said so, I think it's unfair to slut-shame others for their personal choice because of what you believe in. Sex, to you, may be about God and I applaud you for upholding your own personal values like that - but sometimes people need to remember that their personal values are not going to be the same as everyone's personal values.

[Kernen]

Given that one can have meaningful and deep relationships unencumbered by sex while still noncelibate, celibacy seems unnecessary.

Let's narrow that down. While technically true, our friendships and romantic relationships necessitate distinct boundaries. For example, the difference between friendship and courtship.

Sure. And since one can have a sexual relationship with one person and pursue friendships with others, celibacy is not necessary for deep and meaningful relationships with others.

[Neutraligon]

Sure there is the fact that such a premise exists, it is of course not based in reality. Your following statement makes even less sense.

Divine law is a logical premise, like A being A, for example.

No it is not.

[Sundiata]

Contraception is better than celibacy.

Ok, why contracept?

[Stellar Colonies]

Sure there is the fact that such a premise exists, it is of course not based in reality. Your following statement makes even less sense.

Divine law is a logical premise, like A being A, for example.

And if someone doesn't believe divine law exists?

[Kannap]

I'm personally really in favor of it, but I don't think it's for everyone.

Between the choice of marriage, it certainly isn't for a prolonged period. Those who manage to remain celibate for a lifetime are especially fortunate.

Nobody is more or less fortunate based simply on whether they have sex or not

[Sundiata]

Divine law is a logical premise, like A being A, for example.

No it is not.

Divine law specifically, is the order that comes from transcendence.

[Sundiata]

Divine law is a logical premise, like A being A, for example.

And if someone doesn't believe divine law exists?

I don't want to presume that I know what you mean. It's an interesting question to be raised but it doesn't make logical sense to me.

[Neanderthaland]

No it is not.

Divine law specifically, is the order that comes from transcendence.

Well since neither you, nor anyone, is actually transcendent, we can have no idea what that order is. And your saying it involves celibacy is completely baseless speculation. It could just as well involve jelly babies.

[Kernen]

Contraception is better than celibacy.

Ok, why contracept?

Because parenthood sounds terrible.