Existence of God/gods thread thread
Posted: Thu Dec 24, 2020 7:35 amIn this thread we will debate the existence of god(s). Any religion and none can participate.
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Existence of God/gods thread thread
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Posted: Thu Dec 24, 2020 7:35 amPosted: Thu Dec 24, 2020 7:37 amRemember the last time we tried to do this? Yeah didn't go so well.
Posted: Thu Dec 24, 2020 7:38 amArisyan wrote:Remember the last time we tried to do this? Yeah didn't go so well.
What happened?
Posted: Thu Dec 24, 2020 7:43 amPosted: Thu Dec 24, 2020 7:44 amKiu Ghesik wrote:Champagne Socialist Sharifistan wrote:What happened?
169 pages worth of back-and-forth that ended up producing no tangible discussion beyond ad-hominem and baseless claims.
I’ll lay the rules down
Posted: Thu Dec 24, 2020 7:46 amDone
Posted: Thu Dec 24, 2020 7:50 amTwo important points. A one sentence OP is not good enough for starting a thread, beef it up some. Secondly you don't get to make rules for a thread.
Posted: Thu Dec 24, 2020 7:50 amI admire your optimism. Your rules will be quickly ignored.
/abstain
Posted: Thu Dec 24, 2020 7:54 amMight wanna flesh out that OP a bit - maybe give your thoughts on the matter.
As mentioned above, this question gets debated endlessly, and usually neither side being any more convinced than they were when the thread started. That being said, it does make for interesting discussion and ideas.
Me? I have no idea. It depends what you mean. I do think there could be some sort of spiritual stuff out there, but 1) nothing in a form we know of, and 2) not a higher power per se.
And this is a problem I have with the whole 'god' idea. More often than not, the power isn't earned at all; it's just...there really. That's not an idea I take pleasure in at all - the fact that they can literally command anything and I have to follow regardless. I'd rather go out and find my own views and decide whether they work well. Who knows, perhaps I'll end up agreeing with said god anyway on some points.
As mentioned above, this question gets debated endlessly, and usually neither side being any more convinced than they were when the thread started. That being said, it does make for interesting discussion and ideas.
Me? I have no idea. It depends what you mean. I do think there could be some sort of spiritual stuff out there, but 1) nothing in a form we know of, and 2) not a higher power per se.
And this is a problem I have with the whole 'god' idea. More often than not, the power isn't earned at all; it's just...there really. That's not an idea I take pleasure in at all - the fact that they can literally command anything and I have to follow regardless. I'd rather go out and find my own views and decide whether they work well. Who knows, perhaps I'll end up agreeing with said god anyway on some points.
Posted: Thu Dec 24, 2020 8:01 amGod probably doesn't exist, being an unnecessary explanation for the existence of humanity or the universe, and having made no verifiable intervention in human affairs in recorded history. Going by what we know to be fact, there is no evidence for it's existence.
If God does exist, it does not care about humanity, and may even be unaware of our existence.
If God does exist, it does not care about humanity, and may even be unaware of our existence.
Posted: Thu Dec 24, 2020 8:04 amThe existence of gods, especially specific ones, is by definition unprovable. I mean, "prove", to me, the existence of god X , and I will use that same "evidence" to "prove" god Y to you.
Not meant as a thread hijack, but, I'd like to pose this related question: could eternal life exist? Because if it, logically, could not, that would prove, if not the non-existence of gods, their irrelevance.
Not meant as a thread hijack, but, I'd like to pose this related question: could eternal life exist? Because if it, logically, could not, that would prove, if not the non-existence of gods, their irrelevance.
Posted: Thu Dec 24, 2020 8:05 amhow do you know?If God does exist, it does not care about humanity
Posted: Thu Dec 24, 2020 8:10 amNova Bromelia wrote:The existence of gods, especially specific ones, is by definition unprovable. I mean, "prove", to me, the existence of god X , and I will use that same "evidence" to "prove" god Y to you.
There exists a god who is only ever known as X.
Not meant as a thread hijack, but, I'd like to pose this related question: could eternal life exist? Because if it, logically, could not, that would prove, if not the non-existence of gods, their irrelevance.
Gods can be defined outside of any known space-time. Unfortunately. Or else the beginning of our space-time at the Big Bang would pose an existential threat to God's "omnipotence"
Posted: Thu Dec 24, 2020 8:21 amThe Three Palins wrote:There exists a god who is only ever known as X.
That is not a proof though, that is just a presupposition
Gods can be defined outside of any known space-time. Unfortunately. Or else the beginning of our space-time at the Big Bang would pose an existential threat to God's "omnipotence"
That is one of the many cop-outs that make proving or disproving gods so hard, true. In this case, the question is not even necessarily one just about gods, though, but also about us. The big selling point of most religions, and certainly the Abrahamic ones, is, after all, that they provide an escape from (true) death.
But that selling point only really works if it is possible to exist forever, with a significant part of our memories, and at least part of the essence of our personality intact.
Posted: Thu Dec 24, 2020 8:39 amThese threads don't seem like they ever end well, but I believe there is a God (Dhamma) because there is a moral law that human beings can intuitively experience but cannot rationally explain which is the source of earthly authority. Sometimes when we're lucky, we're born in a world where a Lord Buddha, the god of gods, appears who is the perfect embodiment of Dhamma. As someone who has never met devas such as Lord Brahma or Lord Indra, I can only have faith in the Tathagata and other perfected ones who have met them, recalled being born in their realms, and taught us how to be born there as well.
Posted: Thu Dec 24, 2020 8:42 amExistence of God/gods thread thread
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Posted: Thu Dec 24, 2020 8:47 amWho writes thread threads
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Posted: Thu Dec 24, 2020 9:02 amOh good lord not another one of these threads.
There is no evidence or rational argument for the existence of God.
There is no evidence or rational argument for the existence of God.
Posted: Thu Dec 24, 2020 9:09 amKiu Ghesik wrote:Champagne Socialist Sharifistan wrote:What happened?
169 pages worth of back-and-forth that ended up producing no tangible discussion beyond ad-hominem and baseless claims.
One of my greatest failures.
Posted: Thu Dec 24, 2020 9:30 amGod likely does not exist, and until any evidence to the contrary materialises, I will hold this viewpoint for the rest of my life.
Posted: Thu Dec 24, 2020 9:45 amI dont believe there is any conclusive proof a God exists. I think there is quite alot of proof that a merciful and loving and all powerful God does not.
Posted: Thu Dec 24, 2020 10:25 amIt’s inherent to the nature of these threads, don’t blame yourself
Posted: Thu Dec 24, 2020 10:40 amIt’s a a pointless argument. No ones ever going to prove beyond a doubt that a deity/deities exist or don’t exist 100%, and there’s always going to be a debate between the religious and non-religious.
Nothing constructive or good ever comes out of these discussions, just overly righteous religious people and atheists arguing and name calling each other.
Nothing constructive or good ever comes out of these discussions, just overly righteous religious people and atheists arguing and name calling each other.
Posted: Thu Dec 24, 2020 10:41 amGod probably doesn't exist, so stop worrying and live your life.
Posted: Thu Dec 24, 2020 10:42 amThe Liberated Territories wrote:God probably doesn't exist, so stop worrying and live your life.
This makes many people worry.