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Postby Adamede » Wed Jan 13, 2021 4:29 pm

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The Untied State wrote:it's like making smoking a crime, it's bad but making it illegal won't do shit about it

Why would someone cat call in public if it’s illegal?

Because they want too.
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Postby Adamede » Wed Jan 13, 2021 4:30 pm

Elwher wrote:
Adamede wrote:So then why is it that chivalry only ever seems to apply to coming to the aid of women?


Historically, a large part of it was the defense of those less powerful than oneself. That included women, the elderly, children, and non-combatants in general.

Yah and we’re not in the Middle Ages anymore.
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Postby Miku the Based » Thu Jan 14, 2021 2:48 am

Adamede wrote:Chivalry is a medieval Western European warrior code.

What's wrong with that? Would be great if we modernize it to current day. A code not only imbues respect to fellow warriors but it's common courtesy and deals specific rights to the dead warriors.
For example it wouldn't be nice to piss on dead soldiers or their family. A code to disallow that and punishment for it I feel is a necessity. A hobbian war of all against all would only tear humanity and any sense of moral fabric apart.
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Postby Champagne Socialist Sharifistan » Thu Jan 14, 2021 4:26 am

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Insaanistan wrote:Eh. Not really.
For example, I’ve made it clear to my closest female friends that I intend to protect them (including from other guys) at all costs. The two general responses I get are “thank you” or “right back atcha”.

That’s not what chivalry is. Chivalry is a medieval Western European warrior code.

And to think it is goes to show how outdated the concept is.

Why specifically Western European? Saladin was respected for his chivalry even by many Christians (even through they believed he wouldn’t go to heaven for his religion). Arabia had knights and they followed many of the same rules. Google Islamic chivalry or futtuwah.
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Postby Diahon » Thu Jan 14, 2021 4:50 am

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Postby Jedi Council » Thu Jan 14, 2021 4:52 am

Champagne Socialist Sharifistan wrote:
Adamede wrote:That’s not what chivalry is. Chivalry is a medieval Western European warrior code.

And to think it is goes to show how outdated the concept is.

Why specifically Western European? Saladin was respected for his chivalry even by many Christians (even through they believed he wouldn’t go to heaven for his religion). Arabia had knights and they followed many of the same rules. Google Islamic chivalry or futtuwah.

Chivalry developed in the West. You can argue that many people acted chivalrous, but the actual true meaning of chivalry, chivalry the noun, was originally a concept associated with Western knighthood.

While not on topic, Saladin's supposed chivalry is largely hogwash; the result of later romantic views of history. Saladin behaved in the same manner as many other leaders at the time, which is to say he did what was necessary to be successful in a primitive society.

Anyways, neither of these cases has a big link to Polyandry.
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Postby Jedi Council » Thu Jan 14, 2021 5:02 am

Miku the Based wrote:
Adamede wrote:Chivalry is a medieval Western European warrior code.

What's wrong with that? Would be great if we modernize it to current day. A code not only imbues respect to fellow warriors but it's common courtesy and deals specific rights to the dead warriors.
For example it wouldn't be nice to piss on dead soldiers or their family. A code to disallow that and punishment for it I feel is a necessity. A hobbian war of all against all would only tear humanity and any sense of moral fabric apart.

I really dont know where to begin with this.

We dont need a special moral code like chivalry to tell us to not piss on the graves of dead soldiers, since, to most people, such a thing is automatically unacceptable. It doesnt need to be explained why, it is evident.

And likewise, per your suggestion for a "code" to disallow that and punish people for it, well, we already have that, and it's called the law. Pissing on the grave of a dead soldier is likely already a crime, or at least it is where I live . Likewise, pissing on their family would probably be frowned on by the justice system and could also be settled in civil court if the family so chose.

Finally, I'm not sure how your post was in any way connected to Hobbes. Sure, his conception of a pre-social contract society was, as you say, a war of all against all, but the regulations of chivalry are not what stops this from happening; in Hobbes view it is the banding together of people who give up their rights to the Sovereign in exchange for security and other benefits. This is far more alike to legal regulations and laws than a warrior code for knights in the Middle Ages, especially given the fact that numerous events of the time show that chivalry really only went so far.
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Postby Kernen » Thu Jan 14, 2021 9:35 am

It's a weird thing to claim we need a warrior code of chivalry in a society largely devoid of warriors.
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Postby Adamede » Thu Jan 14, 2021 9:44 am

Miku the Based wrote:
Adamede wrote:Chivalry is a medieval Western European warrior code.

What's wrong with that?

Because it’s not the Middle Ages anymore.
Would be great if we modernize it to current day.

We did. It’s called not being an asshole.
A code not only imbues respect to fellow warriors but it's common courtesy and deals specific rights to the dead warriors.

Society isn’t just warriors. Even less so now that we’ve moved away forms dedicated warrior class to citizen soldiers.
For example it wouldn't be nice to piss on dead soldiers or their family.

And not pissing on dead soldiers isn’t what chivalry is.
A code to disallow that and punishment for it I feel is a necessity.

It’s called not being an asshole.
A hobbian war of all against all would only tear humanity and any sense of moral fabric apart.

Thing is that’s not what people are ducking talking about when they mention chivalry in this thread. They’re talking about being nice to women in public.

Champagne Socialist Sharifistan wrote:
Adamede wrote:That’s not what chivalry is. Chivalry is a medieval Western European warrior code.

And to think it is goes to show how outdated the concept is.

Why specifically Western European?

Because that’s where the code originated and pretty much the only pace where it was actually used. Just like how knights where pretty much exclusive to western medieval Europe.
Saladin was respected for his chivalry even by many Christians (even through they believed he wouldn’t go to heaven for his religion).

Doesn’t mean that Saladin actually followed Chivalry, because he was from a completely different culture. In fact this proves my point. Chivalry is not the same thing as acting virtuously.
And yes, people tend to consider people of other religions wrong. Surprise surprise.
Arabia had knights

No, they had mounted warriors. A knight is a type of Western European minor nobility. It’s related but separate form a guy in armor on a horse.
and they followed many of the same rules. Google Islamic chivalry or futtuwah.

Still not actual Chivalry.
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Postby Zul-ar » Thu Jan 14, 2021 11:06 am

What does any of this have to do with polyandry???
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Postby Insaanistan » Thu Jan 14, 2021 11:13 am

Kernen wrote:It's a weird thing to claim we need a warrior code of chivalry in a society largely devoid of warriors.

My family is largely African, so this statement is quite false for me, lol.
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Postby Adamede » Thu Jan 14, 2021 2:02 pm

Insaanistan wrote:
Kernen wrote:It's a weird thing to claim we need a warrior code of chivalry in a society largely devoid of warriors.

My family is largely African, so this statement is quite false for me, lol.

Maybe in Africa, but not the Western world.
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Postby Kernen » Thu Jan 14, 2021 5:29 pm

Insaanistan wrote:
Kernen wrote:It's a weird thing to claim we need a warrior code of chivalry in a society largely devoid of warriors.

My family is largely African, so this statement is quite false for me, lol.

Yes, that's definitely what I'm talking about.
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Postby Champagne Socialist Sharifistan » Fri Jan 15, 2021 12:32 am

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Postby Insaanistan » Fri Jan 15, 2021 6:43 am

Kernen wrote:
Insaanistan wrote:My family is largely African, so this statement is quite false for me, lol.

Yes, that's definitely what I'm talking about.
Adamede wrote:
Insaanistan wrote:My family is largely African, so this statement is quite false for me, lol.

Maybe in Africa, but not the Western world.


I know it can be hard to tell through text, but I was trying to be a bit humorous.
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Postby Kernen » Fri Jan 15, 2021 8:52 am

Insaanistan wrote:
Kernen wrote:Yes, that's definitely what I'm talking about.
Adamede wrote:Maybe in Africa, but not the Western world.


I know it can be hard to tell through text, but I was trying to be a bit humorous.

I sympathize. I'm on the wrong end of this confusion all the time. My bad.
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Postby Adamede » Fri Jan 15, 2021 7:14 pm

Insaanistan wrote:
Kernen wrote:Yes, that's definitely what I'm talking about.
Adamede wrote:Maybe in Africa, but not the Western world.


I know it can be hard to tell through text, but I was trying to be a bit humorous.

Ah, sorry.
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