Is polyandry bad?

[Nekostan-e Gharbi]

That’s not true. Incel has always existed. It’s just that ancient George Sodinis resolved their incel by raiding a nearby village and raping if not died trying (most actually died trying). Hence incel violence was usually classified as “warfare”.

If Jordan is actually peaceful and the polygyny rates are high then I would assume that the flow of brides from nearby poorer countries such as Syria must be high or incel violence manifests itself in the nominal form of Islamist violence. ISIS for example is clearly an incel phenomenon.

What if protectiveness of women meant there were far more women than men?

That’s actually likely not true. Ironically really violent tribes actually tend to commit female infanticide.

[Nekostan-e Gharbi]

If it’s testosterone why not castrate people for attacking innocents? Also most wars had economic, political etcetera reasons.

Almost all of politics is evolitionary politics. Economic issues are really evolutionary in nature. When we talk about politics we should ask these questions: does this political movement help men in social group X get laid? Does it increase the amount of surviving children they are likely to have?

Now we can talk about the word “innocents”. One dark trick of older societies is that they don’t consider non-members human. Murder, robbery and rape are only problems if committed against members of a society. Nick raping Sabrina from Tribe X is rape according to Tribe X. Nick murdering people in Tribe Y and carrying 4 female captives home to rape is not actually murder or rape according to Tribe X. Mongol murders, rapes and robberies did not really break Mongol laws since victims were not Mongol.

[Stellar Colonies]

About as much as polyandry I guess.

My opinion regarding polygamy in general is still kinda vague and undefined.

[Champagne Socialist Sharifistan]

If it’s testosterone why not castrate people for attacking innocents? Also most wars had economic, political etcetera reasons.

Almost all of politics is evolitionary politics. Economic issues are really evolutionary in nature. When we talk about politics we should ask these questions: does this political movement help men in social group X get laid? Does it increase the amount of surviving children they are likely to have?

Now we can talk about the word “innocents”. One dark trick of older societies is that they don’t consider non-members human. Murder, robbery and rape are only problems if committed against members of a society. Nick raping Sabrina from Tribe X is rape according to Tribe X. Nick murdering people in Tribe Y and carrying 4 female captives home to rape is not rape according to Tribe X.

You describe minority practices in societies. Can you give an example of a society where the majority of men committed war rape?
Also 1. Evolution is not precise and 2. Random aggression is more likely to get yo self killed.

[Jabberwocky]

Good lord, like one wife doesn't keep me busy enough...

[Stellar Colonies]

Polygyny here refers to men having multiple female sexual partners simultaneously. Polygynous marriage to a man being simultaneously married to more than one woman.
My opinion

Polygyny within marriage is ok because it’s sanctioned by Islam and natural law.

See also:
Is polyandry bad? (viewtopic.php?f=20&t=496264)

Yes, it is very bad. We don’t need even more inceldom. Polyandry could be good though precisely for the same reason.

That would still create more 'incels'...

[Heloin]

There isn't any meaningful difference, it's all just polygamy, and treating one as good and one as bad makes no sense.

Sources that most warriors were INCELs?

Don't listen to Neko.

[Nekostan-e Gharbi]

Almost all of politics is evolitionary politics. Economic issues are really evolutionary in nature. When we talk about politics we should ask these questions: does this political movement help men in social group X get laid? Does it increase the amount of surviving children they are likely to have?

Now we can talk about the word “innocents”. One dark trick of older societies is that they don’t consider non-members human. Murder, robbery and rape are only problems if committed against members of a society. Nick raping Sabrina from Tribe X is rape according to Tribe X. Nick murdering people in Tribe Y and carrying 4 female captives home to rape is not rape according to Tribe X.

You describe minority practices in societies. Can you give an example of a society where the majority of men committed war rape?
Also 1. Evolution is not precise and 2. Random aggression is more likely to get yo self killed.

The word “minority practice” is not technically wrong since raiders are almost all male and by definition since women exist the amount of people in a tribe who committed such crimes is probably less than half. I think pastoralist and Hunter gatherer groups were usually pretty murderous and rapey.

As for 2 you know warfare exists for a reason. One Serbian incel wandering into Sarajevo to murder and rape would most likely getting killed by Bosniak militias. On the other hand a large group of Serbian incels doing it together was known as the 1992 ethnic cleansing of Bosniaks and Croats in Bosnia and Hercegovina. It’s really just like a criminal vs organized crime.

[Insaanistan]

My parents are monogamous, both my grandpa’s were polygamous. All the wives were pretty okay with it. I believe it is permissible provided it is up to four wives, they are all treated well, you are financially able to afford to help or support all of them and your children and you treat them all well and equally.

[Girls Cuddle Everyone]

Polygyny is bad because of its effect on dating market. Polyandry is good for the same reason.

[Theberstan]

Why does NS choose to do more controversial topics...

[Nuroblav]

Why does NS choose to do more controversial topics...

Because otherwise, no fun

But yeah, that's no NSG for you I guess.

[Stellar Colonies]

Polygyny is bad because of its effect on dating market. Polyandry is good for the same reason.

They each create the same problem for the other gender in terms of dating if only one is in practice.

[Girls Cuddle Everyone]

So men’s sex lives are more important than women’s?

Men are disadvantaged on the dating market, not women. If women were disadvantaged than polygyny would be better than polyandry. But it's the opposite now.

[Girls Cuddle Everyone]

Polygyny is bad because of its effect on dating market. Polyandry is good for the same reason.

They each create the same problem for the other gender in terms of dating if only one is in practice.

Agree but right now there should be more polyandry because dating market is bad for men. Of course it should not be overdone.

[Jedi Council]

Would you say the same for gay marriage or polyandry?

Don’t thread jack

Chill dude that wasnt a thread jack

[Kannap]

I genuinely don't care who anybody has sex with as long as its not with children and as long as both people - or all people - involved consent/aren't forced.

It's none of my business, I'm not involved in it.

[Kannap]

I genuinely don't care who anybody has sex with as long as its not with children and as long as both people - or all people - involved consent/aren't forced.

It's none of my business, I'm not involved in it.

[Jedi Council]

Same answer for polyandry; if the participants are legally able to consent and do so, who cares.

It's pretty hypocritical and sexist to be opposed to one but not the other Islamic law, and whatever your conception of natural law is, aside.

Why is it sexist?

Allowing men to have multiple wives but women only one husband? C'mon, you can do this, it's not that hard

[Jedi Council]

It's wishful thinking presented as a logical argument

No it isn’t.God is by definition a perfect being that’s the whole point.

For a perfect being he surely has made alot of mistakes

[Borderlands of Rojava]

All people should be able to have as many sexual partners as they want. We as a society should be open to allowing people to do as they see fit.

[Albionist Great Britain]

Yes, and likewise with polyandry, such a manifestation of mere lust can stay far and away from my nation. The United Kingdom shall never accept such primitive and frankly degenerate practices.

[Albionist Great Britain]

Yes, because like all polygamy, it is nothing but sluttery and lust in my point of view.

[Suriyanakhon]

Yes, because like all polygamy, it is nothing but sluttery and lust in my point of view.

There were social reasons that polyandry developed, it had less to do with lust and more to do with what was (and still is) advantageous to families and the community. I really doubt that women in Tibet were just really thirsty and have to have all of the men to themselves.

[Adamede]

Its just another form polygamy, it has the same moral standing as polyandry. Not my cup of tea, and imho not exactly something that’s good for society, but opinions vary.

However, there’s a belief out there that polygyny is fine, while polyandry is not, and that’s just fucking ridiculous and sexist.