Anarcho-capitalism makes no sense

[Stylan]

Well yeah. Ancaps have long been the laughingstock of Internet politics.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

Yeah, because rule by warlords is the same as anarchism!

Isn't it? Geniely asking because that was what i thought before. I think, if we remove the authority of Laws and let anarchy spread, authority gap would be filled by warlords, gangs, teror organisations etc. They would probably divide the country, and continuously challange each other's authority, until.. Well, until entire country falls into the hands of one of them, so things would return back to the beginning, with the cost of so many dead people, and decimated economy.

Also, international actors would probably support each warlord/gang against other actor's warlord/gang. No?

Anarchism supports abolishing the state. That doesn't mean all government ceases and laws don't exist. A state has a defined border to it and a central government, whereas something like a village or a small tribe does not. Think of the Iroquois Confederacy. They didn't have defined borders but they had a common culture and a form of governance. Basically, groups like mutualists would like to see a world in which each municipality was independent from the next and where a democratic council runs each. Now anarcho capitalists want a world different than that where some rich guy has his private land guarded by armed security and people work for him to survive and in exchange the workers are protected by security. Which sounds like a state in the making with the rich dude at the top, but somehow it isnt a state.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

Well yeah. Ancaps have long been the laughingstock of Internet politics.

Anarcho Monarchism is funnier.

[The Emerald Legion]

I mean. Anarchism in general doesn't work. Anarcho capitalism only works in theory because of the capitalism part.

It's like taking a car built out of sticks and mud and putting an actual engine in it.

[Nakena]

Well yeah. Ancaps have long been the laughingstock of Internet politics.

Anarcho Monarchism is funnier.

National Anarchism is also a thing.

Or Anarcha-Feminism.

Or even Anarcho-Fascism.

I can't tell which is more weird.

[Fluffy Panda]

Anarchism supports abolishing the state. That doesn't mean all government ceases and laws don't exist.

Apologies but if there is no state to enforce the Laws, that means Laws do not exist there, even if some stuff written on some paper or book. Laws needs professionally trained armed enforcers for it to be exist. If a regional armed gang/warlord has more means to enforce his own words, nobody will give a single penny to what supposedly exist Laws say.

Now anarcho capitalists want a world different than that where some rich guy has his private land guarded by armed security and people work for him to survive and in exchange the workers are protected by security. Which sounds like a state in the making with the rich dude at the top, but somehow it isnt a state.

Yes that is also my understanding, that, anarcho capitalists probably think that they are late to create their kingdoms because everywhere is siezed by some country, so they want to re-run the game for them to form their own micro kingdom

[Immoren]

Well yeah. Ancaps have long been the laughingstock of Internet politics.

Anarcho Monarchism is funnier.

What even happened to our resident anarcho monarchists anyway or are those still around.

[Greed and Death]

According to the Mises Institute, Somalia is a shining example of an anarcho-capitalist society in existence.

Yeah, because rule by warlords is the same as anarchism!

Did you read the Article ?

The Mises Institute can be a tad silly at times.

Though I do agree when people thought out Somalia as the place free market ideologies should go I find it misguided, as they always leave out Somali is failed communist state.

[Nakena]

Anarcho Monarchism is funnier.

What even happened to our resident anarcho monarchists anyway or are those still around.

Anarcho-Monarchists usually follow Hans Herman Hoppe.

[Greed and Death]

Anarcho Monarchism is funnier.

What even happened to our resident anarcho monarchists anyway or are those still around.

J. R. R. Tolkien's Ideology.

[The Emerald Legion]

The closest thing I know of to an Anarcho Capitalist country was the Icelandic Commonwealth. And that still had an official government.

[Nakena]

The closest thing I know of to an Anarcho Capitalist country was the Icelandic Commonwealth. And that still had an official government.

And some more:

I literally asked for someone to explain it to me because it doesn't make sense to me.

Anarcho-Capitalism would be a situation as it was in Somalia a couple of years ago.

Possibly also those here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_State_Bottleneck

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Icelandic_Commonwealth < this is actually often cited by radical libertarians and ancaps as example

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_of_Pirates < yarrrr

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_of_Sal%C3%A9 < moar yarrrr

And a few others.

[Trollzyn the Infinite]

All ideologies that propose abolishing the state are by default nonsensical utopian fantasies thought up by people who are frustrated with the complex intricacies of administration and geopolitics and think they can solve all that bureaucracy by just getting rid of it.

Which is of course stupid.

[Esheaun Stroakuss]

All ideologies that propose abolishing the state are by default nonsensical utopian fantasies thought up by people who are frustrated with the complex intricacies of administration and geopolitics and think they can solve all that bureaucracy by just getting rid of it.

Which is of course stupid.

How would you personally solve it?

[Fluffy Panda]

Question was not directed to me but I would solve it by reducing the government size as much as possible (basicly just army, police, administration), and Laws to be decided by elected scientists and their studies/scientific papers. Also i would give other governments a chance to directly propose a Law into our country, with a cost of $10m or so. All proposals that are scientificly correct, whether from elected scientists or from other governments, would be Laws.

As long as Laws always make sense and go along with the laws of physics, and government doesn't interfere with economy, lfe would be a lot simpler (and cheaper, due to very low tax rates).

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Anarcho-capitalism is just feudalism with extra steps. Rich people will hire mercenaries to take other people's stuff, then everyone will have hired mercenaries and fortified their property, and you're right back to lords and castles.

[Trollzyn the Infinite]

All ideologies that propose abolishing the state are by default nonsensical utopian fantasies thought up by people who are frustrated with the complex intricacies of administration and geopolitics and think they can solve all that bureaucracy by just getting rid of it.

Which is of course stupid.

How would you personally solve it?

You can't "solve" bureaucracy. It's a necessary evil, like currency and the military.

[Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana]

All ideologies that propose abolishing the state are by default nonsensical utopian fantasies thought up by people who are frustrated with the complex intricacies of administration and geopolitics and think they can solve all that bureaucracy by just getting rid of it.

Which is of course stupid.

How would you personally solve it?

Solve what? Government is necessary for human welfare

[Stylan]

I mean, no anarchism makes sense, but anarcho-capitalism makes even less sense than the other "anarcho-'s"

[Kowani]

Give me some examples of capitalism working without governments.

Any kind of trading between tribes.

That’s…not capitalism
It’s a portion of it, sure, but what capitalism is is far more than that.

[The Reformed American Republic]

What even happened to our resident anarcho monarchists anyway or are those still around.

Anarcho-Monarchists usually follow Hans Herman Hoppe.

Not surprising, as Democracy would pose a threat to their proposed kleptocracy.

[West Leas Oros 2]

Anarcho-capitalism is just feudalism with extra steps. Rich people will hire mercenaries to take other people's stuff, then everyone will have hired mercenaries and fortified their property, and you're right back to lords and castles.

Sure, but now the knights wear spiffy leather jackets and drive lambos.

[Adamede]

Anarchism in general doesn’t make sense.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

Anarchism supports abolishing the state. That doesn't mean all government ceases and laws don't exist.

Apologies but if there is no state to enforce the Laws, that means Laws do not exist there.

Explain that to every native American tribe in pre Columbian times.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

I myself support certain ideas in anarchism and don't automatically write it off as "no way, that couldn't ever work," but there's also certain issues that remain as challenges to an anarchist world, like the fact laws would change each town over in possibly very radical ways. That's why I think a libertarian socialist government with a small central government and powers concentrated in the hands of localities makes more sense