Anarcho-capitalism makes no sense

[Nakena]

According to the Mises Institute, Somalia is a shining example of an anarcho-capitalist society in existence.

Masochism at its finest.

Yeah it's pretty kinky eh?

I generally agree with The Ludwig von Mises Institute in terms of descriptive economic theory, but their normative judgments are flawed at best, to put it mildly. I generally support free market solutions when possible, but, while initially attractive as an intellectual system, anarcho-capitalism falls apart upon deeper examination.

Fundamentally, human nature is not as libertarians assume. Man is a fallen creature, not the Randian or even Rothbardian superman. His wicked impulses must be controlled, if not by the man himself, or at least the civil order, then by the power of the State. Moreover, contrary to libertarian thinking, neither law nor morality is not predicated on the circular strictures of the so-called non-aggression principle, mindlessly pursued in their craving for a reductionistic deductive account of man. Contrary to their superficially appealing but ultimately baseless railing against the State as the principal agent of evil in human society, the properly constituted State is the strong arm of justice and decency in society against the wicked. Any evils arise rather from some sort of disorder of the State itself, not from the State per se.

Aside from perhaps some vague economic insights, the only really useful thing that anarcho-capitalism eo ipso accomplishes is to deconstruct further the corrupt liberal democratic world order.

can't tell if you're a social democrat with legalist characteristics or a fascist.

I think he misses General Franco. At least. But with minarchist economic policies. Because somehow combining trad-cathism with neo-liberal policies is like all the rage and fancy stuff and what not. Like, you know, even if it doesnt, really works out with catholic social teaching, which is more towards distributism. But regardless, its the trend now. For this season only now with 150% more latin references. Special offer. Buy! Take it while it's hot!

[An Alan Smithee Nation]

Some strands of anarchism oppose capitalism, not all of them.

All of them oppose it, they're utterly incompatible concepts.

Again, how are they incompatible? Capitalism can function without a government.

[The Three Palins]

No shit, it's not supposed to. It's utopianism for dumb upper middle class white people who have no actual problems.

It's reality in most glorious Somalia.

Which is, as we all know, totally an example to follow. /s

A bit too much religion in Somalia for it to be anarchist, surely?

[Esheaun Stroakuss]

All of them oppose it, they're utterly incompatible concepts.

Again, how are they incompatible? Capitalism can function without a government.

Give me some examples of capitalism working without governments.

[An Alan Smithee Nation]

Some strands of anarchism oppose capitalism, not all of them.

Which oppose it?

You should be asking which don't oppose capitalism.

Mutualism doesn't. Anarcho-Communism does.

[Nakena]

All of them oppose it, they're utterly incompatible concepts.

Again, how are they incompatible? Capitalism can function without a government.

Because its the special kind of "Anarchism" which really means actually making up explaining in a hundred pages of theory of how you build a state without actually building a state and avoid all references to it, in the build itself, and thus handwave yourself into the next dimension through advanced theoretical mental gymnastics.

[An Alan Smithee Nation]

Again, how are they incompatible? Capitalism can function without a government.

Give me some examples of capitalism working without governments.

Any kind of trading between tribes.

[Roegerland]

This is literally just a circlejerk thread

[The Three Palins]

Give me some examples of capitalism working without governments.

Any kind of trading between tribes.

Each tribe has it's own government. Probably the oldest people making the executive decisions.

You're just made the assumption that a tribe is equivalent to an individual, ie internalized government to the tribe.

[The Three Palins]

This is literally just a circlejerk thread

The private room is over there. We call it the "toilet" but ... well, see for yourself.

[An Alan Smithee Nation]

Any kind of trading between tribes.

Each tribe has it's own government. Probably the oldest people making the executive decisions.

You're just made the assumption that a tribe is equivalent to an individual, ie internalized government to the tribe.

And you made the assumption that it isn't individuals within the tribes trading with each other.

[The Three Palins]

Each tribe has it's own government. Probably the oldest people making the executive decisions.

You're just made the assumption that a tribe is equivalent to an individual, ie internalized government to the tribe.

And you made the assumption that it isn't individuals within the tribes trading with each other.

And again, you're assuming there isn't any government within the tribe.

Probably the old people. Perhaps in time of conflict the fighting age men. The witchdoctor is probably protected from executive power, but is always influential. Protected? Top executive is a dangerous position to be in, the witchdoctor knows lots of stuff vital for tribe survival. Keep him alive to have his advice another day. He likely protects himself with "spells" and such so everyone is afraid to kill him anyway. Witchdoctor, another name for priest.

That's a government, it just doesn't have the trapping you are expecting.

[An Alan Smithee Nation]

And you made the assumption that it isn't individuals within the tribes trading with each other.

And again, you're assuming there isn't any government within the tribe.

Probably the old people. Perhaps in time of conflict the fighting age men. The witchdoctor is probably protected from executive power, but is always influential. Protected? Top executive is a dangerous position to be in, the witchdoctor knows lots of stuff vital for tribe survival. Keep him alive to have his advice another day. He likely protects himself with "spells" and such so everyone is afraid to kill him anyway. Witchdoctor, another name for priest.

That's a government, it just doesn't have the trapping you are expecting.

So are you actually trying to argue that individuals cannot actually trade with one another without a government?

[Duvniask]

Masochism at its finest.

Yeah it's pretty kinky eh?

Mises Institute comes out in favor of cock and ball torture.

[Immoren]

Give me some examples of capitalism working without governments.

Any kind of trading between tribes.

Does tribal trade really count as capitalism?
I guess it depends on moment of history I guess.

[An Alan Smithee Nation]

Any kind of trading between tribes.

Does tribal trade really count as capitalism?
I guess it depends on moment of history I guess.

In Peru there was a situation where a group of people lived in land growing cotton, there were also a group of people living on the coast who caught fish. The people who controlled the means of cotton production made nets which the fishing people could not produce themselves, and they traded them for fish.

Seems like capitalism to me. Controlling the means of production, owning things.

[Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana]

Before asking if anarcho capitalism makes sense, first we have to ask if anarchism makes sense…

[Romextly]

I thought that was libertarianism

[Aureumterra III]

This is literally just a circlejerk thread

What did you expect with that kind of OP?

[Esheaun Stroakuss]

This is literally just a circlejerk thread

What did you expect with that kind of OP?

I literally asked for someone to explain it to me because it doesn't make sense to me.

[Nakena]

What did you expect with that kind of OP?

I literally asked for someone to explain it to me because it doesn't make sense to me.

Anarcho-Capitalism would be a situation as it was in Somalia a couple of years ago.

Possibly also those here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_State_Bottleneck

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Icelandic_Commonwealth < this is actually often cited by radical libertarians and ancaps as example

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_of_Pirates < yarrrr

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_of_Sal%C3%A9 < moar yarrrr

And a few others.

[Anatoliyanskiy]

It is, in short, a society run by corporations with the abolishment of the state. Seems like a weak version of anarchism at best, because there are still social constructs.

[Fluffy Panda]

Yeah, because rule by warlords is the same as anarchism!

Isn't it? Geniely asking because that was what i thought before. I think, if we remove the authority of Laws and let anarchy spread, authority gap would be filled by warlords, gangs, teror organisations etc. They would probably divide the country, and continuously challange each other's authority, until.. Well, until entire country falls into the hands of one of them, so things would return back to the beginning, with the cost of so many dead people, and decimated economy.

Also, international actors would probably support each warlord/gang against other actor's warlord/gang. No?

[Borderlands of Rojava]

I imagine that over 90% of the human population would not survive the cut throat and rugged individualist world of anarcho-capitalism. Jeff Bezos would be alright but people like you or me would either die or be enslaved.

[An Alan Smithee Nation]

Anarchism is no state/laws. Capitalism is owning property and the means of production. The role of the state in capitalism is usually in the form of enforcing contracts, ownership, and providing a currency. Those things can be provided in an anarchy by other means - people can enforce their own contracts, defend their own property, and currencies can be replaced by exchange of goods. But classically most strands of anarchism have been opposed to capitalism. Being opposed to something is not the same as being incompatible.