SIESA: AKA, the "Anti-Porn" bill

[Fahran]

Oh, bugger off with that. Everything enjoyable is addictive. Food, video games, tasty fruity beverages (I'm drinking Hawaiian Punch at the moment. Blue. Best flavor), gambling, television, etc and so on. People just zero in on porn "addiction" cause it riles up certain subsections of people who vote.

Yes. Crisp, delicious chicken salad is just a addictive as cocaine.

Porn addiction is likened to drug addiction by medical professionals and researchers on a pretty consistent basis. Pulling the "lots of things are addictive card" is a way to bypass the fact that the vice in question is arguably as addictive as nicotine or cocaine.

[Necroghastia]

Then why doesn't it say that?

Because 70 year old politicians probably don't know much about Fire Emblem erotica on Deviantart.

So you admit they don't know what they're talking about. Glad we can agree!

[Neanderthaland]

Maybe that's what they mean, but it's not what they said.

That's why amendments to bills exist.

Unless and until it actually is amended, it's a problem.

[Cisairse]

Wait is this supposed to be about that bot that makes deepfake nudes of people?

[Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum]

Which countries have more wars ?

[Punished UMN]

Because 70 year old politicians probably don't know much about Fire Emblem erotica on Deviantart.

So you admit they don't know what they're talking about. Glad we can agree!

Why don't you write to them about your concerns about hentai and furry art being unfairly counted among deepfakes, instead of opposing the idea of requiring manufacturers or pornography involving real persons to respect the rights of those real persons?

[Cisairse]

Which countries have more wars ?

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the sun never sets on the icelandic empire

[Fahran]

No. It's MindGeek you're talking about. It's not the only company that does adult material.

To quote Bernie Sanders, "if small companies can't uphold regulations, maybe they shouldn't exist." Why do progressives suddenly become libertarians when it comes to sex work? Is this an "own the cons" thing?

Dunno, specifically. Doesn't stop me from being able to tell when something's shit, though.

If you can't propose an alternative and just want to keep the status quo, you're actually arguing for a worse position than the people who proposed this bill. Because you're saying that neither content creators nor pornographic corporations have a hard legal obligation to not engage in rape, human trafficking, and revenge porn.

[Neanderthaland]

Which countries have more wars ?

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the sun never sets on the icelandic empire

Well, for half the year...

[Necroghastia]

This doesn't address my point in the slightest.

What is reasonable about having to prove that everyone in a video from 10, 20, 30+ years ago consented by uploading a signed form? What is reasonable about a site that hosts entirely drawn porn being forced to maintain a 24 hour hotline for revenge porn?

1) Your point depends on the idea that the law was working. It was not, because it lacked any enforcement mechanism.
2) To prove that the content is actually legal content. Ignore the harping about furry drawings for a second and think about how pornhub hosted thousands of videos of child porn and actual rape, and it suddenly will make sense that the uploaders should have to be able to prove that the video is of consenting adults.

Ignore the harping about things that poke holes in the idea that this is good and let's talk about people doing something that's already illegal!

[Fahran]

Wait is this supposed to be about that bot that makes deepfake nudes of people?

One provision is ostensibly. I would not want my likeness used for a certainty.

[Nakena]

I support this. Porn rots the brain and degeneracy such as this isn't true freedom of expression, that's just a load of cringeworthy American liberalism. Expression of what? Smut? Give me a break lmao.

Bet $100 that you secretly watch porn but don't want to tell anyone. Me? I keep a fucking collection of them in my Bookmarks section, alongside some scientific articles, political news, and Reddit takedowns.

We had recently a very zealous christian fundamentalist poster here who got caught by the moderators posting very gay content on F7 and was subsequently subjected to DOS status.

[Picairn]

Which countries have more wars ?

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Just use a VPN.

[Cisairse]

the sun never sets on the icelandic empire

Well, for half the year...

the sun doesn't set on the icelandic empire for about half the time

[Punished UMN]

1) Your point depends on the idea that the law was working. It was not, because it lacked any enforcement mechanism.
2) To prove that the content is actually legal content. Ignore the harping about furry drawings for a second and think about how pornhub hosted thousands of videos of child porn and actual rape, and it suddenly will make sense that the uploaders should have to be able to prove that the video is of consenting adults.

Ignore the harping about things that poke holes in the idea that this is good and let's talk about people doing something that's already illegal!

The reason for the bill is precisely because it is not illegal for these sites to host those videos and distribute them.

[Necroghastia]

No. It's MindGeek you're talking about. It's not the only company that does adult material.

To quote Bernie Sanders, "if small companies can't uphold regulations, maybe they shouldn't exist." Why do progressives suddenly become libertarians when it comes to sex work? Is this an "own the cons" thing?

Dunno, specifically. Doesn't stop me from being able to tell when something's shit, though.

If you can't propose an alternative and just want to keep the status quo, you're actually arguing for a worse position than the people who proposed this bill. Because you're saying that neither content creators nor pornographic corporations have a hard legal obligation to not engage in rape, human trafficking, and revenge porn.

Is that not already illegal?

[Cisairse]

Wait is this supposed to be about that bot that makes deepfake nudes of people?

One provision is ostensibly. I would not want my likeness used for a certainty.

LOL yeah have fun trying to ban technology

This has obviously worked all of the billions of times it's been tried

The cat's out of the bag on this one, dude. Fun fact: When everyone is naked, no one is.

[Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum]

Which countries have more wars ?

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Just use a VPN.

The only thing that will end all wars is love. people just need to be relieved, they are too obsessed with religion and money.

[Ameriganastan]

Oh, bugger off with that. Everything enjoyable is addictive. Food, video games, tasty fruity beverages (I'm drinking Hawaiian Punch at the moment. Blue. Best flavor), gambling, television, etc and so on. People just zero in on porn "addiction" cause it riles up certain subsections of people who vote.

Yes. Crisp, delicious chicken salad is just a addictive as cocaine.

Porn addiction is likened to drug addiction by medical professionals and researchers on a pretty consistent basis. Pulling the "lots of things are addictive card" is a way to bypass the fact that the vice in question is arguably as addictive as nicotine or cocaine.

Those same people claim being a drunk is a disease. So I don't put much merit into what they think on the matter.

[Socialist States of Ludistan]

I don’t relay care for the porn side of this, but trying to stop freedom? No way!
The state can’t decide what you can watch, and can’t watch in privacy of your own home.
And to all the conservatives who say that they can, supporting state interference?
Sounds like communism to me. And I know you hate that!

[Punished UMN]

To quote Bernie Sanders, "if small companies can't uphold regulations, maybe they shouldn't exist." Why do progressives suddenly become libertarians when it comes to sex work? Is this an "own the cons" thing?


If you can't propose an alternative and just want to keep the status quo, you're actually arguing for a worse position than the people who proposed this bill. Because you're saying that neither content creators nor pornographic corporations have a hard legal obligation to not engage in rape, human trafficking, and revenge porn.

Is that not already illegal?

No, it isn't, which is why porn sites have massive amounts of that content.

[Picairn]

We had recently a very zealous christian fundamentalist poster here who got caught by the moderators posting very gay content on F7 and was subsequently subjected to DOS status.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Yes. Crisp, delicious chicken salad is just a addictive as cocaine.

Porn addiction is likened to drug addiction by medical professionals and researchers on a pretty consistent basis. Pulling the "lots of things are addictive card" is a way to bypass the fact that the vice in question is arguably as addictive as nicotine or cocaine.

Those same people claim being a drunk is a disease. So I don't put much merit into what they think on the matter.

This is very Trumpian. "I don't like what smart people say so I ignore it "

[Necroghastia]

Is that not already illegal?

No, it isn't, which is why porn sites have massive amounts of that content.

Rape and human trafficking aren't illegal. Really.

[Punished UMN]

I don’t relay care for the porn side of this, but trying to stop freedom? No way!
The state can’t decide what you can watch, and can’t watch in privacy of your own home.
And to all the conservatives who say that they can, supporting state interference?
Sounds like communism to me. And I know you hate that!

Of course the state can, for the same reason it can stop you from beating your wife in the privacy of your own home.