SIESA: AKA, the "Anti-Porn" bill

[Necroghastia]

Porn is an addiction that needs therapy.

Nah. It CAN be, but it isn't always by far.

Women shouldnt be so desperate they have to sell off their bodies to make a buck.

What about people who aren't "desperate?"

[Fahran]

So in other words, it prevents people from doing something that is already illegal, as well as preventing people from doing one of the most innocuous things there is. Come on.

It's illegal, yes, but this will better enforce it and put the onus on a corporation to do a better job of NOT benefitting from crimes. And, given it's MindGeek we're talking about, it's definitely needed.

Sure, provided the hoops are reasonable. These are quite blatantly not.

What regulations in your mind would be reasonable to impose on a large corporation and on its employees who engage in adult acts?

[Super Cool Florida]

The reason for the bill is that there was a recent scandal about the largest porn website in the world having massive amounts of actual rapes on it.

Companies are the culprit of this. I think there is a difference between banning porn and banning crime. Companies must be in control, it would be wrong to ban porn completely.

By banning porn, companies lose revenue. Companies have to actually think about their ideas.

[Nakena]

No, it's just a slippery slope argument, "Sure, the bill bans non-consensual pornography, but if we let them take that, they'll take everything else" is a leap of logic.

It's not just non-consensual porn. They're going after everything, like NSFW artists for instance. This already happened to Tumblr, it's been encroaching on DeviantArt for a while, so on and so forth. I'm always against blatant censorship in the name of self interest, and that's what this bill is.

They'd better move to platforms outside of the affected scope. i.e. US jurisdiction. This will go on for a while. The bill, however, may as well end up dying somewhere before it passes congress.

The reason for the bill is that there was a recent scandal about the largest porn website in the world having massive amounts of actual rapes on it.

Companies are the culprit of this. I think there is a difference between banning porn and banning crime. Companies must be in control, it would be wrong to ban porn completely.

MindGeek has been unable or unwilling to tackle the problems with illicit content on their platforms. Regardless, this came back to bite them hard and they will have to renew their business model. Visa and MasterCard cancelled them and now they can only get bitcoin or so. Not sure.

By now they only allow content from certified creators.

It means less ability of non-pro users to contribute, but will also ensure theres less questionable content being uploaded and will lead to a professionalization of the website and likely also to an improvement of content quality itself.

It's something that in fundamental principle does, however, affect all Social Media Platforms where users can upload their own content. Likely there will be some law changes in that regard come soon down on Facebook etc. not necessarily related to porn though.

[Fahran]

I vote we ban all depictions of human sexuality in all forms of media.

That's not even what's being proposed.

[Necroghastia]

1) So in other words, it prevents people from doing something that is already illegal, as well as preventing people from doing one of the most innocuous things there is. Come on.

2) Sure, provided the hoops are reasonable. These are quite blatantly not.

1) The current regulations were not working precisely because there were no legal repercussions for sites to host content such as rape and child pornography, due to their protections as platforms, and much of this content is downloaded and redistributed on major sites like pornhub and xvideos.

This doesn't address my point in the slightest.

2) What is unreasonable about having to prove that everyone in the video consented?

What is reasonable about having to prove that everyone in a video from 10, 20, 30+ years ago consented by uploading a signed form? What is reasonable about a site that hosts entirely drawn porn being forced to maintain a 24 hour hotline for revenge porn?

[Neanderthaland]

All this would achieve is a huge boost to VPN provider revenue.

[Super Cool Florida]

Porn is an addiction that needs therapy.

Nah. It CAN be, but it isn't always by far.

Women shouldnt be so desperate they have to sell off their bodies to make a buck.

What about people who aren't "desperate?"

Most women enter porn because they see it as a good way to earn revenue. Its not womens or mans fault that porn has become addictive.
Saying porn CAN be addictive is like saying cigarettes CAN be addictive but arent always addictive. Sure, it might not be but you still get that urge to do it again and again and again and again and aga

[Washington Resistance Army]

After all the recent shit I'm not opposed tbh

[Punished UMN]

1) The current regulations were not working precisely because there were no legal repercussions for sites to host content such as rape and child pornography, due to their protections as platforms, and much of this content is downloaded and redistributed on major sites like pornhub and xvideos.

This doesn't address my point in the slightest.

2) What is unreasonable about having to prove that everyone in the video consented?

What is reasonable about having to prove that everyone in a video from 10, 20, 30+ years ago consented by uploading a signed form? What is reasonable about a site that hosts entirely drawn porn being forced to maintain a 24 hour hotline for revenge porn?

1) Your point depends on the idea that the law was working. It was not, because it lacked any enforcement mechanism.
2) To prove that the content is actually legal content. Ignore the harping about furry drawings for a second and think about how pornhub hosted thousands of videos of child porn and actual rape, and it suddenly will make sense that the uploaders should have to be able to prove that the video is of consenting adults.

[Ameriganastan]

I vote we ban all depictions of human sexuality in all forms of media.

That's not even what's being proposed.

I mean, it's not far off. Just look at that part under (3)

The term "pornographic image" means any visual depiction, including any photograph, film, video, picture, or computer generated image whether made by or produced by electronic, mechanical or other means of sexually explicit conduct

[Fahran]

Most women enter porn because they see it as a good way to earn revenue. Its not womens or mans fault that porn has become addictive.
Saying porn CAN be addictive is like saying cigarettes CAN be addictive but arent always addictive. Sure, it might not be but you still get that urge to do it again and again and again and again and aga

Porn is EXTREMELY addictive. Given researchers compare porn to cigarettes, alcohol, and freakin' cocaine, I don't think that can really be overstated, especially not in light of documented viewing habits.

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[Stellar Colonies]

The only source I can find on the actual text of this bill wants me to download it, forget that.

[Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum]

Porn is an addiction that needs therapy. Women shouldnt be so desperate they have to sell off their bodies to make a buck.
Many men have beem impacted by porn, and many children have been watching the shit. Many men say "oh yes. porn sure is accurate as fuck" when in reality, porn is not accurate as fuck. Loads of people have said their addiction to porn is an addiction, and a whole movement has been made against recovering from the addiction to pornography.
It makes men see many women as sluts/sex objects.
Porn should be banned outright. Its just like an drug. Cocaine to be exact but you dont snort it, you click 'play'

no one is desperate, porn is an art, the real despair is the conservative censor mindset. The culprit is not porn, the real culprit is irresponsible parents. You also need to be aware that porn isn't real, no one is devalued, it's just a role.

[Punished UMN]

That's not even what's being proposed.

I mean, it's not far off. Just look at that part under (3)

The term "pornographic image" means any visual depiction, including any photograph, film, video, picture, or computer generated image whether made by or produced by electronic, mechanical or other means of sexually explicit conduct

Computer generated image is referring to computer generated images that are made with the intent to resemble real people.

[Necroghastia]

So in other words, it prevents people from doing something that is already illegal, as well as preventing people from doing one of the most innocuous things there is. Come on.

It's illegal, yes, but this will better enforce it and put the onus on a corporation to do a better job of NOT benefitting from crimes. And, given it's MindGeek we're talking about, it's definitely needed.

No. It's MindGeek you're talking about. It's not the only company that does adult material.

Sure, provided the hoops are reasonable. These are quite blatantly not.

What regulations in your mind would be reasonable to impose on a large corporation and on its employees who engage in adult acts?

Dunno, specifically. Doesn't stop me from being able to tell when something's shit, though.

[Neanderthaland]

I mean, it's not far off. Just look at that part under (3)

Computer generated image is referring to computer generated images that are made with the intent to resemble real people.

Maybe that's what they mean, but it's not what they said.

[Punished UMN]

It's illegal, yes, but this will better enforce it and put the onus on a corporation to do a better job of NOT benefitting from crimes. And, given it's MindGeek we're talking about, it's definitely needed.

No. It's MindGeek you're talking about. It's not the only company that does adult material.

What regulations in your mind would be reasonable to impose on a large corporation and on its employees who engage in adult acts?

Dunno, specifically. Doesn't stop me from being able to tell when something's shit, though.

Would you prefer to have the status quo, which is that it's virtually unregulated?

[Ameriganastan]

Most women enter porn because they see it as a good way to earn revenue. Its not womens or mans fault that porn has become addictive.
Saying porn CAN be addictive is like saying cigarettes CAN be addictive but arent always addictive. Sure, it might not be but you still get that urge to do it again and again and again and again and aga

Porn is EXTREMELY addictive. Given researchers compare porn to cigarettes, alcohol, and freakin' cocaine, I don't think that can really be overstated, especially not in light of documented viewing habits.

Source

Oh, bugger off with that. Everything enjoyable is addictive. Food, video games, tasty fruity beverages (I'm drinking Hawaiian Punch at the moment. Blue. Best flavor), gambling, television, etc and so on. People just zero in on porn "addiction" cause it riles up certain subsections of people who vote.

[Punished UMN]

Computer generated image is referring to computer generated images that are made with the intent to resemble real people.

Maybe that's what they mean, but it's not what they said.

That's why amendments to bills exist.

[Fahran]

I mean, it's not far off. Just look at that part under (3)

The term "pornographic image" means any visual depiction, including any photograph, film, video, picture, or computer generated image whether made by or produced by electronic, mechanical or other means of sexually explicit conduct

Again, they're asking content creators to verify their identities and show that consent was obtained prior to uploading the content in question. That should apply to photographs, films, videos, and pictures without exception. It should debatably apply to computer generated images and edited images that contain the likeness of real people as well. This didn't come out of nowhere. The sex industry has been engaging in sketchy behavior on this front for years. Given the prevalence of sexual violence and human trafficking in the industry, this bill is likely to make sex work much, much safer on the whole.

[Necroghastia]

I mean, it's not far off. Just look at that part under (3)

Computer generated image is referring to computer generated images that are made with the intent to resemble real people.

Then why doesn't it say that?

[Picairn]

I support this. Porn rots the brain and degeneracy such as this isn't true freedom of expression, that's just a load of cringeworthy American liberalism. Expression of what? Smut? Give me a break lmao.

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[Punished UMN]

Computer generated image is referring to computer generated images that are made with the intent to resemble real people.

Then why doesn't it say that?

Because 70 year old politicians probably don't know much about Fire Emblem erotica on Deviantart.

[Nakena]

Most women enter porn because they see it as a good way to earn revenue.

Theres no way for the overhelming majority of performers to earn a living in porn. That is only possible for the very top.

Most performers earn their main income as professional escorts and/or strippers. In fact porn is often a second job to them.

I keep stressing this out as this is apparently a little known but important fact.

Porn is EXTREMELY addictive. Given researchers compare porn to cigarettes, alcohol, and freakin' cocaine, I don't think that can really be overstated, especially not in light of documented viewing habits.

Source

Oh, bugger off with that. Everything enjoyable is addictive. Food, video games, tasty fruity beverages (I'm drinking Hawaiian Punch at the moment. Blue. Best flavor), gambling, television, etc and so on. People just zero in on porn "addiction" cause it riles up certain subsections of people who vote.

Sugar is very addictive too. But lets admit talking about porn, either be in favor, opposition or voyeuristic horror thereof is far more... lets say stimulating and thought provoking?