SIESA: AKA, the "Anti-Porn" bill

[Punished UMN]

While regulations, as in any industry, will be difficult to implement and will lead to additional expenses, a lot of these are long overdue and some of the costs can be passed off onto large corporate monopolies such as MindGeek. Given the political bent and occupational concerns of your source, I had to scour the internet for another source that elucidated precisely what SISEA would do and impose, without focusing solely on how it would negatively impact sex workers and the sex industry.

The motivation for authoring the bill wasn't prudishness. Rather, it's intended to protect people from revenge porn, illegal hacking, and the uploading of pornographic content without the explicit consent of those who appear in the videos or images concerned. I cannot discuss the other benefits due to the ill-conceived moratorium that we still have in place, but, when moderation decides that we should treat the issue concerned in the same way we treat transphobia or extreme racism, we can discuss the benefits of why we shouldn't empower sexual predators as well.

In all seriousness, given the lax standards in the pornographic industry, this bill is long overdue, regardless of the costs to large corporate monopolies such as MindGeek. The principal impact on sex workers will be that they have to fill out additional forms. The impact on those who want to access pornography will be that they can't access material that depicts people who haven't or cannot consent or pirated material. Which should be a universal standard anyway.

Yes, but bills are never used for just what the base intention is. And everyone knows it. Would cracking down on revenge porn and the like be good? Yes, very. Is that where they'd stop? Not a chance. You give them an inch, they take a mile with this stuff.

Holy shit this is terrible logic.

[Stellar Colonies]

What irritates me is that I can't find the bill in its entirety to read, just snippets from people reviewing it. Probably because all I know is that it's called 'SISEA' without its number or anything.

I dont download porn. I'm saying what you have mentioned means that when you dont control a market it ruins one's life and can grow to an abnormal size which will consume the lives of the people. You'd surely agree on that, after all, you are a socialist like me or are you perhaps an American neo-lib larp??

I am watching porn and I am very satisfied with my life. I invite those who are against porn to calm down and watch porn.

Seeing naked bodies makes me uncomfortable, but if you're happy you're happy.

[Nakena]

I support this. Porn rots the brain and degeneracy such as this isn't true freedom of expression, that's just a load of cringeworthy American liberalism. Expression of what? Smut? Give me a break lmao.

See, that's just incorrect. Demonizing sexuality is never okay. I'm online friends with plenty of people who draw NSFW art, and I can tell you they're all very friendly and normal people. The fact politicians want to portray people who enjoy it/draw it/etc as these morally deviant weirdos is completely wrong.

I believe it isnt against them specifically but more about Pornhub/Mindgeek who has been targeted by a series of media campaign, some of them by sincere people, some less than sincere. "Traffickinghub" is run by christian fundamentalists.

Sauce: https://newrepublic.com/article/160488/ ... ar-pornhub

Given recent events here on NS, I'd can only wonder what is on their harddrives.

[Ameriganastan]

Holy shit this is terrible logic.

I mean, I don't think so. I think I'm being weirdly logical for once.

What irritates me is that I can't find the bill in its entirety to read, just snippets from people reviewing it. Probably because all I know is that it's called 'SISEA' without its number or anything.

I admit, I had trouble finding it myself. Hence why my source on it was a Twitter post.

[Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum]

What irritates me is that I can't find the bill in its entirety to read, just snippets from people reviewing it. Probably because all I know is that it's called 'SISEA' without its number or anything.

I am watching porn and I am very satisfied with my life. I invite those who are against porn to calm down and watch porn.

Seeing bare bodies makes me uncomfortable, but if you're happy you're happy.

Not watching is entirely your choice. nobody is forcing anyone to watch.

[Fahran]

So, a source that wouldn't actually talk about what the bill would do and the ramifications of its impositions.

I would recommend reading my source again because it points out what the specific regulations proposed are. None of them is a blanket ban and most of them aren't going to take money from the pockets of sex workers unless vigilantes go around flagging pornographic videos. The costs will fall squarely on the shoulders of pornographic websites - many of which are the property of large corporations. I don't see the problem.

[Punished UMN]

Holy shit this is terrible logic.

I mean, I don't think so. I think I'm being weirdly logical for once.

No, it's just a slippery slope argument, "Sure, the bill bans non-consensual pornography, but if we let them take that, they'll take everything else" is a leap of logic.

[Redfell]

There are already a bunch of incels running amok in the streets enacting violent crime and the only reason we haven't been seeing the amount of school shootings as we normally do (which is too damn often) is solely due to the COVID-19 pandemic, which is also making things worse by preventing people from socializing in person.

And yet among all of these problems I've listed in just that one sentence (which isn't even a quarter of America's major problems), PORN is what these morons are concerned about? These Jack Thompson-wannabes don't belong in office!

[Punished UMN]

What irritates me is that I can't find the bill in its entirety to read, just snippets from people reviewing it. Probably because all I know is that it's called 'SISEA' without its number or anything.

Seeing bare bodies makes me uncomfortable, but if you're happy you're happy.

Not watching is entirely your choice. nobody is forcing anyone to watch.

It's not that people are forced to watch, it's that people are coerced into making them.

[Necroghastia]

I mean, I don't think so. I think I'm being weirdly logical for once.

No, it's just a slippery slope argument, "Sure, the bill bans non-consensual pornography, but if we let them take that, they'll take everything else" is a leap of logic.

The bill also bans people from downloading porn, forces content creators to jump through even more hoops than they already have to, and forces platforms to have a fucking 24-hour hotline among other unreasonable restrictions.

[Stellar Colonies]

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What irritates me is that I can't find the bill in its entirety to read, just snippets from people reviewing it. Probably because all I know is that it's called 'SISEA' without its number or anything.

I admit, I had trouble finding it myself. Hence why my source on it was a Twitter post.

Well, it's gotta be somewhere I guess. Others have found it after all.

What irritates me is that I can't find the bill in its entirety to read, just snippets from people reviewing it. Probably because all I know is that it's called 'SISEA' without its number or anything.

Seeing bare bodies makes me uncomfortable, but if you're happy you're happy.

Not watching is entirely your choice. nobody is forcing anyone to watch.

I know, wasn't implying that.

[Fahran]

There are already a bunch of incels running amok in the streets enacting violent crime and the only reason we haven't been seeing the amount of school shootings as we normally do (which is too damn often) is solely due to the COVID-19 pandemic, which is also making things worse by preventing people from socializing in person.

And yet among all of these problems I've listed in just that one sentence (which isn't even a quarter of America's major problems), PORN is what these morons are concerned about? These Jack Thompson-wannabes don't belong in office!

I think consent is pretty important and I think that we should try to ensure that the sex industry is, at the bare minimum, employing consenting adults.

[Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum]

I mean, I don't think so. I think I'm being weirdly logical for once.

No, it's just a slippery slope argument, "Sure, the bill bans non-consensual pornography, but if we let them take that, they'll take everything else" is a leap of logic.

Non-consensual relationships are called crime, not porn. It is necessary to explain this to anti-porn people. It feels as if there is piety in the anti-porn stance.

[Ameriganastan]

I mean, I don't think so. I think I'm being weirdly logical for once.

No, it's just a slippery slope argument, "Sure, the bill bans non-consensual pornography, but if we let them take that, they'll take everything else" is a leap of logic.

It's not just non-consensual porn. They're going after everything, like NSFW artists for instance. This already happened to Tumblr, it's been encroaching on DeviantArt for a while, so on and so forth. I'm always against blatant censorship in the name of self interest, and that's what this bill is.

[Punished UMN]

No, it's just a slippery slope argument, "Sure, the bill bans non-consensual pornography, but if we let them take that, they'll take everything else" is a leap of logic.

The bill also bans people from downloading porn, forces content creators to jump through even more hoops than they already have to, and forces platforms to have a fucking 24-hour hotline among other unreasonable restrictions.

The first restriction is to prevent people from downloading content that is illegal and then redistributing it, which is a major problem. Content-creators should have to jump through hoops, they are producing a product, and it has to be verified that their product is legal, everyone else already has to do this.

[Punished UMN]

No, it's just a slippery slope argument, "Sure, the bill bans non-consensual pornography, but if we let them take that, they'll take everything else" is a leap of logic.

Non-consensual relationships are called crime, not porn. It is necessary to explain this to anti-porn people. It feels as if there is piety in the anti-porn stance.

The reason for the bill is that there was a recent scandal about the largest porn website in the world having massive amounts of actual rapes on it.

[Necroghastia]

So, a source that wouldn't actually talk about what the bill would do and the ramifications of its impositions.

I would recommend reading my source again because it points out what the specific regulations proposed are. None of them is a blanket ban and most of them aren't going to take money from the pockets of sex workers unless vigilantes go around flagging pornographic videos.

This is the internet, you really think there aren't trolls who will do just that?

The costs will fall squarely on the shoulders of pornographic websites - many of which are the property of large corporations.

And many of which are not.

[Fahran]

The bill also bans people from downloading porn, forces content creators to jump through even more hoops than they already have to, and forces platforms to have a fucking 24-hour hotline among other unreasonable restrictions.

The "hoops" content creators have to endure are that they have to verify their identity and that they have to fill out a consent form with each piece of content they upload. It's literally just some basic paperwork.

A 24-hour hotline is a strong check against revenge porn and other illicit content, and allows (again) certain large corporate monopolies to uphold the provisions against uploading content without the consent of those who appear in it. You may find it unreasonable, but I'm sure tobacco and alcohol companies find it unreasonable that they can't sell to certain demographics, have to include disclaimers in commercials, etc.

[Super Cool Florida]

Porn is an addiction that needs therapy. Women shouldnt be so desperate they have to sell off their bodies to make a buck.
Many men have beem impacted by porn, and many children have been watching the shit. Many men say "oh yes. porn sure is accurate as fuck" when in reality, porn is not accurate as fuck. Loads of people have said their addiction to porn is an addiction, and a whole movement has been made against recovering from the addiction to pornography.
It makes men see many women as sluts/sex objects.
Porn should be banned outright. Its just like an drug. Cocaine to be exact but you dont snort it, you click 'play'

[Necroghastia]

The bill also bans people from downloading porn, forces content creators to jump through even more hoops than they already have to, and forces platforms to have a fucking 24-hour hotline among other unreasonable restrictions.

The first restriction is to prevent people from downloading content that is illegal and then redistributing it, which is a major problem.

So in other words, it prevents people from doing something that is already illegal, as well as preventing people from doing one of the most innocuous things there is. Come on.

Content-creators should have to jump through hoops, they are producing a product, and it has to be verified that their product is legal, everyone else already has to do this.

Sure, provided the hoops are reasonable. These are quite blatantly not.

[Fahran]

This is the internet, you really think there aren't trolls who will do just that?

Then the content creator has a couple days at most of verifying his or her identity to a massive corporation that should have their paperwork on file already. It's not going to be the end of the world, and it's preferable to not being able to get videos yanked because the corporation making money from them doesn't care that those depicted in them didn't consent to it.

And many of which are not.

Which ones exactly? The cost of printing out and uploading consent forms? The time spent verifying your identity in a better regulated industry with much less abuse? The potential time (probably a few hours at most) spent re-verifying your identity from paperwork that you have already submitted in the off-chance someone decides to troll you?

[Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum]

Non-consensual relationships are called crime, not porn. It is necessary to explain this to anti-porn people. It feels as if there is piety in the anti-porn stance.

The reason for the bill is that there was a recent scandal about the largest porn website in the world having massive amounts of actual rapes on it.

Companies are the culprit of this. I think there is a difference between banning porn and banning crime. Companies must be in control, it would be wrong to ban porn completely.

[Neanderthaland]

Porn is an addiction that needs therapy. Women shouldnt be so desperate they have to sell off their bodies to make a buck.

To the extent that this is true, it is true of work generally.

[New haven america]

I vote we ban all depictions of human sexuality in all forms of media.

[Punished UMN]

The first restriction is to prevent people from downloading content that is illegal and then redistributing it, which is a major problem.

1) So in other words, it prevents people from doing something that is already illegal, as well as preventing people from doing one of the most innocuous things there is. Come on.

Content-creators should have to jump through hoops, they are producing a product, and it has to be verified that their product is legal, everyone else already has to do this.

2) Sure, provided the hoops are reasonable. These are quite blatantly not.

1) The current regulations were not working precisely because there were no legal repercussions for sites to host content such as rape and child pornography, due to their protections as platforms, and much of this content is downloaded and redistributed on major sites like pornhub and xvideos.
2) What is unreasonable about having to prove that everyone in the video consented?