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Anti Porn Bills: Your Thoughts On Them

For a Ban
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21%
Against A Ban
171
57%
In-between
36
12%
Neutral
8
3%
Don't really care
24
8%
 
Total votes : 302

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Postby Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum » Tue Dec 22, 2020 4:03 am

Can you imagine the world of religious conservatives, Without porn and alcohol the world would be boring. :roll:
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Postby Esheaun Stroakuss » Tue Dec 22, 2020 4:14 am

Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum wrote:Can you imagine the world of religious conservatives, Without porn and alcohol the world would be boring. :roll:


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Postby Deacarsia » Tue Dec 22, 2020 4:21 am

I cannot even begin to relate how strongly I support this bill from what I know of it.

In an age of rampant censorship of legitimate on-line speech, the suppression of pornography in all of its filthy and disgusting forms is one of the areas where there actually ought to be a massive crackdown. This is particularly important on the Internet, which sadly has become a safe haven for all manner of perverse rubbish.

I hope and pray that this bill becomes a law.
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Postby Nakena » Tue Dec 22, 2020 4:38 am

Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum wrote:Can you imagine the world of religious conservatives, Without porn and alcohol the world would be boring. :roll:


They do it in secret.

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Postby Thermodolia » Tue Dec 22, 2020 4:42 am

Nakena wrote:
Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum wrote:Can you imagine the world of religious conservatives, Without porn and alcohol the world would be boring. :roll:


They do it in secret.

There are those who watch porn and then there are liars
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Postby Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum » Tue Dec 22, 2020 4:47 am

Nakena wrote:
Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum wrote:Can you imagine the world of religious conservatives, Without porn and alcohol the world would be boring. :roll:


They do it in secret.
I think porn companies need to work with religious conservatives because I wonder what their fetish world is like. We are in the 21st century, they are still struggling to conquer Jerusalem, it sounds funny to me, I wish they could relax a bit.
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Postby New haven america » Tue Dec 22, 2020 4:51 am

Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum wrote:Can you imagine the world of religious conservatives, Without porn and alcohol the world would be boring. :roll:

I mean, before the 1960's religious conservatives ruled America for the most part.

They weren't good at being religious conservatives.
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Postby Neutraligon » Tue Dec 22, 2020 4:56 am

Deacarsia wrote:I cannot even begin to relate how strongly I support this bill from what I know of it.

In an age of rampant censorship of legitimate on-line speech, the suppression of pornography in all of its filthy and disgusting forms is one of the areas where there actually ought to be a massive crackdown. This is particularly important on the Internet, which sadly has become a safe haven for all manner of perverse rubbish.

I hope and pray that this bill becomes a law.

Odd since this bill does not in fact censor porn. Well that and except to protect the actors there is no reason for porn to be cracked down upon.
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Postby Dar as Salam » Tue Dec 22, 2020 5:03 am

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Drongonia wrote:I support this. Porn rots the brain and degeneracy such as this isn't true freedom of expression, that's just a load of cringeworthy American liberalism. Expression of what? Smut? Give me a break lmao.

See, that's just incorrect. Demonizing sexuality is never okay. I'm online friends with plenty of people who draw NSFW art, and I can tell you they're all very friendly and normal people. The fact politicians want to portray people who enjoy it/draw it/etc as these morally deviant weirdos is completely wrong.

Degenerate coomers can still be nice people, you can be a nazi and be a nice person, completly unrelated.

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Postby Dar as Salam » Tue Dec 22, 2020 5:05 am

Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum wrote:Can you imagine the world of religious conservatives, Without porn and alcohol the world would be boring. :roll:

If not rotting your brain and intoxicating your body is what you call fun, i'm the most boring person ever.
If you need alcohol to have fun it shows how shallow you are as a person

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Postby New Visayan Islands » Tue Dec 22, 2020 5:29 am

Dar as Salam wrote:
Ameriganastan wrote:See, that's just incorrect. Demonizing sexuality is never okay. I'm online friends with plenty of people who draw NSFW art, and I can tell you they're all very friendly and normal people. The fact politicians want to portray people who enjoy it/draw it/etc as these morally deviant weirdos is completely wrong.

Degenerate coomers can still be nice people, you can be a nazi and be a nice person, completly unrelated.

Dar as Salam wrote:
Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum wrote:Can you imagine the world of religious conservatives, Without porn and alcohol the world would be boring. :roll:

If not rotting your brain and intoxicating your body is what you call fun, i'm the most boring person ever.
If you need alcohol to have fun it shows how shallow you are as a person

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Postby SD_Film Artists » Tue Dec 22, 2020 5:38 am

Ameriganastan wrote:
Drongonia wrote:I support this. Porn rots the brain and degeneracy such as this isn't true freedom of expression, that's just a load of cringeworthy American liberalism. Expression of what? Smut? Give me a break lmao.

See, that's just incorrect. Demonizing sexuality is never okay. I'm online friends with plenty of people who draw NSFW art, and I can tell you they're all very friendly and normal people. The fact politicians want to portray people who enjoy it/draw it/etc as these morally deviant weirdos is completely wrong.


Indeed, which is why I wouldn't really have a problem with a porn ban if it made an exception for community-ran sites.
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Postby An Alan Smithee Nation » Tue Dec 22, 2020 5:55 am

Picture a world ten years in the future where porn is all computer generated so nobody is harmed in the making of it.

Now if I watch that porn, maybe it harms me maybe it doesn't - that is a matter of debate, to me it is my choice to watch it and everybody else should be minding their own damn business.
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Postby SD_Film Artists » Tue Dec 22, 2020 5:57 am

Fahran wrote:
The motivation for authoring the bill wasn't prudishness. Rather, it's intended to protect people from revenge porn, illegal hacking, and the uploading of pornographic content without the explicit consent of those who appear in the videos or images concerned.


When revenge porn/uploading without permission became illegal in the UK there was a charity (I forget which one) which said that it should be dealt with by the civil courts rather than the criminal courts.

Things like adultery and 'kiss and tell' (the latter of which is basically a verbal version of revenge porn) can be more damaging than revenge porn and yet they're not illegal at all. I don't share any sympathy for people who go to jail after betraying the trust of their partner but it still seems odd that the government will legislate on one and not the other. Since revenge porn is typically done by men and 'kiss and tell' is typically done by women then perhaps it could be seen as female empowerment that the latter isn't illegal?
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Postby Clton » Tue Dec 22, 2020 7:20 am

The Marlborough wrote:It says something about people that they think porn sites cannot verify whether or not someone has been raped in a video without it effectively banning porn. Do you not stop to think this may be indicative of something else?

also, this applies to fictional depictions
whats Nhentai gonna give the US government when they ask for the forms
whats a r34 artist gonna give the government for his Hatsune Miku art?
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Postby Punished UMN » Tue Dec 22, 2020 10:06 am

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Punished UMN wrote:Source: Your ass.

Exhibit A^

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Okay, so where did you get your theological opinions from? Calling everyone who disagrees with you (including Kowani, who is an atheist) a fundie just goes to prove you are talking out of your ass. As usual, you are unreasonably smug for someone who has no idea what he's talking about.
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Postby Kowani » Tue Dec 22, 2020 10:20 am

New haven america wrote:
Punished UMN wrote:Source: Your ass.

Exhibit A^

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Postby Punished UMN » Tue Dec 22, 2020 10:25 am

Also, it should be pointed out that Fundamentalism being used to mean "any serious devotion to religious principles" really waters down what Fundamentalism means. In the context of Christianity, it's a specific movement in particularly American Protestantism in the early 20th century which is characterized by Dispensationalism and the rejection of Biblical criticism.
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Postby The Marlborough » Tue Dec 22, 2020 10:33 am

Clton wrote:
The Marlborough wrote:It says something about people that they think porn sites cannot verify whether or not someone has been raped in a video without it effectively banning porn. Do you not stop to think this may be indicative of something else?

also, this applies to fictional depictions
whats Nhentai gonna give the US government when they ask for the forms
whats a r34 artist gonna give the government for his Hatsune Miku art?
HATSUNE MIKU DOSENT EXIST
SHE CANT FILL OUT A FORM

Banning hentai erotica? Hmmmmm, well I am pro Gamer oppression so I'm afraid this isn't going to work on me.
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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Tue Dec 22, 2020 10:34 am

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Postby Suriyanakhon » Tue Dec 22, 2020 10:35 am

Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum wrote:Can you imagine the world of religious conservatives, Without porn and alcohol the world would be boring. :roll:


This is one of the weirdest non-sequiturs ever.

This bill doesn't ban pornography, but if your life would be unfulfilling without either of the things you mentioned, it's being wasted.
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Postby Suriyanakhon » Tue Dec 22, 2020 10:39 am

The Marlborough wrote:It says something about people that they think porn sites cannot verify whether or not someone has been raped in a video without it effectively banning porn. Do you not stop to think this may be indicative of something else?


The amount of extreme defensiveness in regard to a bill just trying to regulate pornography like a normal business is really saying a lot to me.
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Postby Repressio » Tue Dec 22, 2020 10:44 am

I'm all for banning it and getting rid of the pornographers themselves. Too many are involved in human trafficking, sexual abuse, and blackmail. Purge the whole industry.

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Postby West Leas Oros 2 » Tue Dec 22, 2020 10:53 am

Repressio wrote:I'm all for banning it and getting rid of the pornographers themselves. Too many are involved in human trafficking, sexual abuse, and blackmail. Purge the whole industry.

Good news and bad news. The bad news is that this bill doesn’t ban pornography. The good news is that this bill doesn’t ban pornography.
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