The Death Penalty: Justified or Immoral?

[Champagne Socialist Sharifistan]

Then they do that.

Cool but where does society head if most men are cucks or most women trash?

Like with laws against dangerous driving or littering people can disapprove of things that don't necessarily have a direct victim

[San Lumen]

No the death penalty is not justified. The state should not be killing people not to mention almost every method currently used is barbaric and morally wrong.

[Saint Yosx]

No the death penalty is not justified. The state should not be killing people not to mention almost every method currently used is barbaric and morally wrong.

Exactly, who are we to say that someone deserves to die? A jury could easily say that someone who ran a red light should get the death penalty.

[San Lumen]

No the death penalty is not justified. The state should not be killing people not to mention almost every method currently used is barbaric and morally wrong.

Exactly, who are we to say that someone deserves to die? A jury could easily say that someone who ran a red light should get the death penalty.

I see your point but a moving violation doesn't go before a jury. Plus there are many crimes where a prosecuter isn't going to seek the death penalty.

[Picairn]

Exactly, who are we to say that someone deserves to die? A jury could easily say that someone who ran a red light should get the death penalty.

Uhhhh, we judge by the degree of severity of the crime? If a jury says someone who ran a red light should get the death penalty, then the convicted prolly killed 3-4 people before running a red light.

[Champagne Socialist Sharifistan]

No the death penalty is not justified. The state should not be killing people not to mention almost every method currently used is barbaric and morally wrong.

What about firing squad? Midalozam injection?

[San Lumen]

No the death penalty is not justified. The state should not be killing people not to mention almost every method currently used is barbaric and morally wrong.

What about firing squad? Midalozam injection?

Im against the death penalty but firing squad is the only I even remotely agree with.

isn't Midalozam the same thing as lethal injection? Its had a number of mishaps in recent years.

[-Astoria-]

What about firing squad? Midalozam injection?

Im against the death penalty but firing squad is the only I even remotely agree with.

isn't Midalozam the same thing as lethal injection? Its had a number of mishaps in recent years.

Specifically one of the drugs used in lethal injection, but yes.

[Champagne Socialist Sharifistan]

What about firing squad? Midalozam injection?

Im against the death penalty but firing squad is the only I even remotely agree with.

isn't Midalozam the same thing as lethal injection? Its had a number of mishaps in recent years.

Midalozam is used as an anaesthetic. I think they would lose all feelings of pain if it was a lethal dose. I also believe they can choose their method: guillotine, long drop hanging, midalozam or firing squad.

[San Lumen]

Im against the death penalty but firing squad is the only I even remotely agree with.

isn't Midalozam the same thing as lethal injection? Its had a number of mishaps in recent years.

Midalozam is used as an anaesthetic. I think they would lose all feelings of pain if it was a lethal dose. I also believe they can choose their method: guillotine, long drop hanging, midalozam or firing squad.

I can;t speak for other countries but here in the US in most states you don't get a choice.

[Suriyanakhon]

There are times where I am conceivably tempted to support the death penalty, especially in some of the worst cases imaginable, and I wouldn't really lose any sleep if we executed those sort of people. But I don't believe that we really have a logically consistent justification for maintaining the death penalty and that there's too much of a risk of innocent people being executed to keep the institution. It would be better to move toward reformation so that criminals (even those with life sentences) can learn to be productive in prison and hopefully express remorse.

[-Astoria-]

Midalozam is used as an anaesthetic. I think they would lose all feelings of pain if it was a lethal dose.

...in theory, but in actual practice? Not so much.

I also believe they can choose their method: guillotine, long drop hanging, midalozam or firing squad.

Well...

• Guillotine: unless you happened to be in 70s France, that wasn't an option.
• Hanging: IIRC only in two states (which have since abolished the penalty altogether).
• Firing squad: only in Utah.

I'm surprised there was no mention of the electric chair or the gas chamber.

I can;t speak for other countries but here in the US in most states you don't get a choice.

Generally, by default there's no choice in other countries.

[Agarntrop]

No the death penalty is not justified. The state should not be killing people not to mention almost every method currently used is barbaric and morally wrong.

Exactly, who are we to say that someone deserves to die? A jury could easily say that someone who ran a red light should get the death penalty.

Statutes providing maximum punishments are a thing lmao.

The only crimes punishable by death in the US are aggravated murder, treason, aggravated espionage, military offences such as desertion during wartime, certain cases of aggravated manslaughter and organised drug kinpinning.

The court can't just arbitrarily determine a punishment more severe than the statutory maximum.

[Agarntrop]

There are times where I am conceivably tempted to support the death penalty, especially in some of the worst cases imaginable, and I wouldn't really lose any sleep if we executed those sort of people. But I don't believe that we really have a logically consistent justification for maintaining the death penalty and that there's too much of a risk of innocent people being executed to keep the institution. It would be better to move toward reformation so that criminals (even those with life sentences) can learn to be productive in prison and hopefully express remorse.

This is basically my position

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No the death penalty is not justified. The state should not be killing people not to mention almost every method currently used is barbaric and morally wrong.

What about firing squad? Midalozam injection?

Benzodiazepines are extremely ineffective at rendering someone unconscious. When combined with other CNS depressants like alcohol or opioids, they will increase the sedation, prolong sleep, and can even cause respiratory arrest, but on their own they will not knock you out.

I learned this first hand in my junkie days and without going into detail about how or why it happened, I once swallowed 100mg of Xanax (50 bars) and I didn't even fall asleep. So it's easy for my to understand why so many victims of lethal injection experience the horrifying death wide awake.

Lethal injection is not painless, it's not even meant to be. Lefhal injection serves a society of cowards who want to kill people but don't want to feel like they're killing people, they can rationalize like it's almost not even an execution, it's basically a medical procedure.

As for firing squads, the victim does not die instantly, the brain continues to function for several minutes after the heart stops beating. And like lethal injection, there is more concern for the well-being of society than for the victim. They shoot from far away so they can psychologically distance themselves from the act, they even have that absurd policy of one of the guns having a blank so the shooters feel better knowing there is a 20% chance they weren't directly involved. If you need that then why the hell are you shooting someone in the first place? No one is making you do that. Executions don't happen every day and there are no full time executioners anymore, the people who participate in a firing squad don't even have the excuse of saying it's just a job to pay their bills.

[Jedi Council]

Then they do that.

Cool but where does society head if most men are cucks or most women trash?

Putting aside the dubious claim that women who have more than one sexual partner are trash...

Society would head to a very similar place as it usually does with issues like this; gross indifference. If it's fine for men to have more than one sexual partner, it's fine for women to do so as well. In the context of a relationship, it's up to those two people to find out what's best for them.

[Champagne Socialist Sharifistan]

Cool but where does society head if most men are cucks or most women trash?

Putting aside the dubious claim that women who have more than one sexual partner are trash...

Society would head to a very similar place as it usually does with issues like this; gross indifference. If it's fine for men to have more than one sexual partner, it's fine for women to do so as well. In the context of a relationship, it's up to those two people to find out what's best for them.

Who people have sex with affects relationships, who people openly have sex with affects culture. Name one polyandrous culture other than Sparta where it didn't cause problems.

[Necroghastia]

as much a fan i am of polyamory im not sure how much it has to do with the morality of the death penalty lmao

[Kernen]

Once humanity manages to make the legal system infallible, I will have no strong moral arguments against the death penalty. Even if it were the product of infallible decisions, it just isn't economically justifiable.

Nonetheless, I have often felt that the judge or jury who sentences somebody to death should be the ones who throw the switch in the chambers, if possible. The weight of that decision should not be hypothetical to the makers. It is easier to dissociate in the deliberation room than the execution chamber.

[Champagne Socialist Sharifistan]

as much a fan i am of polyamory im not sure how much it has to do with the morality of the death penalty lmao

Because then you can get rid of those girls like the Saudis do LOL. Just kidding I was defending Islamic law in other areas. I do not think adultery should be a capital offence. Only murder, rape, child sex offences, serious military offences and treason. Though stealing the Sultan's girl (s) is treason and sleeping with your comrade's wife is a military betrayal.

[Glorious Hong Kong]

I can't believe no one has attempted nitrogen asphyxiation as a method of execution yet. It's the buildup of CO2 in the lungs that triggers a sensation of breathlessness and sheer panic. If oxygen is being replaced with nitrogen instead of CO2, one would die a far more peaceful death, possibly without even realizing it.

[The Reformed American Republic]

People like serial killers should receive a fair trial and then be executed by beheading.

[-Astoria-]

I can't believe no one has attempted nitrogen asphyxiation as a method of execution yet. It's the buildup of CO2 in the lungs that triggers a sensation of breathlessness and sheer panic. If oxygen is being replaced with nitrogen instead of CO2, one would die a far more peaceful death, possibly without even realizing it.

You'd be surprised; some states have been raising it as an alternative.

[Agarntrop]

People like serial killers should receive a fair trial and then be executed by beheading.

Beheading?

[The Reformed American Republic]

People like serial killers should receive a fair trial and then be executed by beheading.

Beheading?

Guillotine.