NATION

PASSWORD

The Death Penalty: Justified or Immoral?

For discussion and debate about anything. (Not a roleplay related forum; out-of-character commentary only.)

Advertisement

Remove ads

Post a reply

Is the Death Penalty justified?

Yes
31
42%
No
42
58%
 
Total votes : 73
User avatar
The Huskar Social Union
Khan of Spam
 
Posts: 59297
Founded: Apr 04, 2012
Left-wing Utopia

Postby The Huskar Social Union » Tue Dec 22, 2020 1:52 pm

Depends on the crime i guess.
Irish Nationalist from Belfast ■■■ / Leftwing / Atheist / Alliance Party voter
"I never thought in terms of being a leader, i thought very simply in terms of helping people" - John Hume 1937 - 2020

I like Miniature painting, Tanks, English Gals, Video games and most importantly Cheese.
Top
User avatar
Champagne Socialist Sharifistan
Senator
 
Posts: 4471
Founded: Dec 08, 2019
Ex-Nation

Postby Champagne Socialist Sharifistan » Tue Dec 22, 2020 1:57 pm

I support it as optional for rape, certain types of murder (murder motivated by sadism or sexual pleasure, murder of children under fourteen and murder of women or elderly folks in the furtherance of theft), child molestation, military cowardice based offences or treason.
A nation which partly represents my views.
Founder of the Traditionalist Military Alliance:https://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=493756
The Turkish War of Independence and everything before along with 2014 modernisation are set in stone.
Everything else is subject to change

Black Lives Matter!
Top
User avatar
Champagne Socialist Sharifistan
Senator
 
Posts: 4471
Founded: Dec 08, 2019
Ex-Nation

Postby Champagne Socialist Sharifistan » Wed Dec 23, 2020 1:59 am

The Huskar Social Union wrote:Depends on the crime i guess.

What about IRA/UDA/UVF members?
What about British Army war criminals?
A nation which partly represents my views.
Founder of the Traditionalist Military Alliance:https://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=493756
The Turkish War of Independence and everything before along with 2014 modernisation are set in stone.
Everything else is subject to change

Black Lives Matter!
Top
User avatar
Jedi Council
Senator
 
Posts: 4270
Founded: Jan 01, 2018
Ex-Nation

Postby Jedi Council » Wed Dec 23, 2020 2:05 am

Champagne Socialist Sharifistan wrote:I support it as optional for rape, certain types of murder (murder motivated by sadism or sexual pleasure, murder of children under fourteen and murder of women or elderly folks in the furtherance of theft), child molestation, military cowardice based offences or treason.


I understand the traditional motivations for making murder, treason etc punishable by death, but why specify the murder of women and the elderly?
New Liberal | Humanist
Surfing NS Since 2013
The Huskar Social Union wrote:Jedi Council is in fact, the big gay... The lord of all gays.
Top
User avatar
Champagne Socialist Sharifistan
Senator
 
Posts: 4471
Founded: Dec 08, 2019
Ex-Nation

Postby Champagne Socialist Sharifistan » Wed Dec 23, 2020 2:19 am

Jedi Council wrote:
Champagne Socialist Sharifistan wrote:I support it as optional for rape, certain types of murder (murder motivated by sadism or sexual pleasure, murder of children under fourteen and murder of women or elderly folks in the furtherance of theft), child molestation, military cowardice based offences or treason.


I understand the traditional motivations for making murder, treason etc punishable by death, but why specify the murder of women and the elderly?

Similar reasons why you’d specify the murder of children
A nation which partly represents my views.
Founder of the Traditionalist Military Alliance:https://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=493756
The Turkish War of Independence and everything before along with 2014 modernisation are set in stone.
Everything else is subject to change

Black Lives Matter!
Top
User avatar
-Astoria-
Negotiator
 
Posts: 5537
Founded: Oct 27, 2019
Left-wing Utopia

Postby -Astoria- » Wed Dec 23, 2020 2:28 am

Champagne Socialist Sharifistan wrote:
Jedi Council wrote:
I understand the traditional motivations for making murder, treason etc punishable by death, but why specify the murder of women and the elderly?

Similar reasons why you’d specify the murder of children

Emotionality.
                                           ☆           Republic of Astoria | Pobolieth Asdair           ☆                                           
Bedhent cewsel ein gweisiau | Our deeds shall speak
IC: Factbooks • Location • Embassies • FAQ • Integrity | OOC:  CCL's VP • 9th in NSFB#1 • 10/10: DGES
 ⌜✉⌟ TV1 News | 2023-04-11  ▶ ⬤──────── (LIVE) |  Headlines  Winter out; spring in for public parks • Environment ministry announces A₤300m in renewables subsidies • "Not enough," say unions on A₤24m planned Govt cost-of-living salary supplement |  Weather  Liskerry ⛅ 13° • Altas ⛅ 10° • Esterpine ☀ 11° • Naltgybal ☁ 14° • Ceirtryn ⛅ 19° • Bynscel ☀ 11° • Lyteel ☔ 9° |  Traffic  ROADWORKS: WRE expwy towards Port Trelyn closed; use Routes P294 northbound; P83 southbound
Top
User avatar
Champagne Socialist Sharifistan
Senator
 
Posts: 4471
Founded: Dec 08, 2019
Ex-Nation

Postby Champagne Socialist Sharifistan » Wed Dec 23, 2020 2:34 am

-Astoria- wrote:
Champagne Socialist Sharifistan wrote:Similar reasons why you’d specify the murder of children

Emotionality.

No. Natural law. Also the belief that people have a duty to protect those groups. And the belief that it requires a negative character to do those acts.
A nation which partly represents my views.
Founder of the Traditionalist Military Alliance:https://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=493756
The Turkish War of Independence and everything before along with 2014 modernisation are set in stone.
Everything else is subject to change

Black Lives Matter!
Top
User avatar
Champagne Socialist Sharifistan
Senator
 
Posts: 4471
Founded: Dec 08, 2019
Ex-Nation

Postby Champagne Socialist Sharifistan » Wed Dec 23, 2020 2:35 am

-Astoria- wrote:
Champagne Socialist Sharifistan wrote:Similar reasons why you’d specify the murder of children

Emotionality.

Emotionality is the reason people think men and women need to be treated the same.
A nation which partly represents my views.
Founder of the Traditionalist Military Alliance:https://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=493756
The Turkish War of Independence and everything before along with 2014 modernisation are set in stone.
Everything else is subject to change

Black Lives Matter!
Top
User avatar
Esternial
Retired Moderator
 
Posts: 54394
Founded: May 09, 2009
Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Esternial » Wed Dec 23, 2020 2:38 am

Champagne Socialist Sharifistan wrote:
-Astoria- wrote:Emotionality.

Emotionality is the reason people think men and women need to be treated the same.

Hol up.

Can you elaborate to which extent men and women should not be treated the same?
Top
User avatar
Mordka
Envoy
 
Posts: 218
Founded: Aug 12, 2018
Ex-Nation

Postby Mordka » Wed Dec 23, 2020 2:50 am

We need capital punishment so that the wrongdoers never commit crimes again.
Top
User avatar
-Astoria-
Negotiator
 
Posts: 5537
Founded: Oct 27, 2019
Left-wing Utopia

Postby -Astoria- » Wed Dec 23, 2020 2:57 am

Champagne Socialist Sharifistan wrote:
-Astoria- wrote:Emotionality.

No. Natural law. Also the belief that people have a duty to protect those groups. And the belief that it requires a negative character to do those acts.

No, that ain't it.
                                           ☆           Republic of Astoria | Pobolieth Asdair           ☆                                           
Bedhent cewsel ein gweisiau | Our deeds shall speak
IC: Factbooks • Location • Embassies • FAQ • Integrity | OOC:  CCL's VP • 9th in NSFB#1 • 10/10: DGES
 ⌜✉⌟ TV1 News | 2023-04-11  ▶ ⬤──────── (LIVE) |  Headlines  Winter out; spring in for public parks • Environment ministry announces A₤300m in renewables subsidies • "Not enough," say unions on A₤24m planned Govt cost-of-living salary supplement |  Weather  Liskerry ⛅ 13° • Altas ⛅ 10° • Esterpine ☀ 11° • Naltgybal ☁ 14° • Ceirtryn ⛅ 19° • Bynscel ☀ 11° • Lyteel ☔ 9° |  Traffic  ROADWORKS: WRE expwy towards Port Trelyn closed; use Routes P294 northbound; P83 southbound
Top
User avatar
Jedi Council
Senator
 
Posts: 4270
Founded: Jan 01, 2018
Ex-Nation

Postby Jedi Council » Wed Dec 23, 2020 2:59 am

Champagne Socialist Sharifistan wrote:
-Astoria- wrote:Emotionality.

No. Natural law. Also the belief that people have a duty to protect those groups. And the belief that it requires a negative character to do those acts.

Putting aside he face that most conceptions of "natural law" are bogus, I would argue it requires a negative character to murder anyone, not just women, children, or the elderly.

Frankly, if one favours the death penalty, it shouldn't really come with caveats based on identity.
Last edited by Jedi Council on Wed Dec 23, 2020 3:01 am, edited 1 time in total.
New Liberal | Humanist
Surfing NS Since 2013
The Huskar Social Union wrote:Jedi Council is in fact, the big gay... The lord of all gays.
Top
User avatar
Champagne Socialist Sharifistan
Senator
 
Posts: 4471
Founded: Dec 08, 2019
Ex-Nation

Postby Champagne Socialist Sharifistan » Wed Dec 23, 2020 3:04 am

Esternial wrote:
Champagne Socialist Sharifistan wrote:Emotionality is the reason people think men and women need to be treated the same.

Hol up.

Can you elaborate to which extent men and women should not be treated the same?

Men should protect women, women should only have one sexual partner
A nation which partly represents my views.
Founder of the Traditionalist Military Alliance:https://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=493756
The Turkish War of Independence and everything before along with 2014 modernisation are set in stone.
Everything else is subject to change

Black Lives Matter!
Top
User avatar
Jedi Council
Senator
 
Posts: 4270
Founded: Jan 01, 2018
Ex-Nation

Postby Jedi Council » Wed Dec 23, 2020 3:05 am

Champagne Socialist Sharifistan wrote:
Esternial wrote:Hol up.

Can you elaborate to which extent men and women should not be treated the same?

Men should protect women, women should only have one sexual partner

Oh good, back the 12th century we go.
New Liberal | Humanist
Surfing NS Since 2013
The Huskar Social Union wrote:Jedi Council is in fact, the big gay... The lord of all gays.
Top
User avatar
Esheaun Stroakuss
Minister
 
Posts: 2023
Founded: May 23, 2015
Ex-Nation

Postby Esheaun Stroakuss » Wed Dec 23, 2020 3:50 am

Champagne Socialist Sharifistan wrote:
Esternial wrote:Hol up.

Can you elaborate to which extent men and women should not be treated the same?

Men should protect women, women should only have one sexual partner


Last time I checked we're in a different century where women can do whatever they want and sleep with however many people they want. Men can alao do whatever they want and should not be shackled by outdated gender roles. Oh and not be put to death for stealing bread or sleeping with someone you are not married to.
Last edited by Esheaun Stroakuss on Wed Dec 23, 2020 3:54 am, edited 1 time in total.
For: Socialism, Democracy, LGBT+, BLM, Freedom of Speech, Marxist Theory, Atheism, Freedom of/from Religion, Universal Healthcare
Against: Religious Fundamentalism, Nationalism, Fascism/Nazism, Authoritarianism, TERFs, Tankies, Neoliberalism, Conservatism, Capitalism

Esheaun Stroakuss is leaderless.
Top
User avatar
Nova Bromelia
Spokesperson
 
Posts: 138
Founded: Dec 23, 2020
Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Nova Bromelia » Wed Dec 23, 2020 3:56 am

I don't even care much about how immoral capital punishment is, or at any rate, I do not find it a very strong argument, since morality, especially in this case, is very subjective.

But it is simply stupid. Statistics suggest that it only serves to increase the number of violent crimes, it is insanely expensive, it encourages a vindictive attitude among the people, and perpetrators of capital crimes get an easy way out. Just put those criminals away for life, and in the grand scale of things, everybody (but them) will be happier.
atheist (but I "belief in belief", sorry professor Dawkins ;-) ), he/him/they/them, ace/aro, humanist, idealist, environmentalist, and hypocrite.
This nation is a thought experiment, as well as a bit of a laughing mirror for my own views.
For: Climate Justice, Social Justice, Respecting the Universal Declaration of Human Rights of 1948 and the Convention on the Rights of the Child of 1990.
Against: Cynicism, Fascism, Fatalism, Corporate greed.
Black Lives Matter.
Top
User avatar
The Huskar Social Union
Khan of Spam
 
Posts: 59297
Founded: Apr 04, 2012
Left-wing Utopia

Postby The Huskar Social Union » Wed Dec 23, 2020 4:12 am

Champagne Socialist Sharifistan wrote:
Esternial wrote:Hol up.

Can you elaborate to which extent men and women should not be treated the same?

Men should protect women, women should only have one sexual partner

Men and women should protect and help each other, women and men should have one sexual partner whilst in a relationship together unless they both agree to have more.
Irish Nationalist from Belfast ■■■ / Leftwing / Atheist / Alliance Party voter
"I never thought in terms of being a leader, i thought very simply in terms of helping people" - John Hume 1937 - 2020

I like Miniature painting, Tanks, English Gals, Video games and most importantly Cheese.
Top
User avatar
Marxist Germany
Minister
 
Posts: 2171
Founded: Jun 07, 2018
Ex-Nation

Postby Marxist Germany » Wed Dec 23, 2020 4:20 am

Life is a sacred gift from God and cannot be taken away by humans unless in self-defence.
Author of GA#461, GA#470, GA#477, GA#481, GA#486 (co-author), and SC#295
Former delegate of The United Federations; citizen and former Senior Senator of 10000 Islands; 113th Knight of TITO
Top
User avatar
Agarntrop
Powerbroker
 
Posts: 9845
Founded: May 14, 2018
Ex-Nation

Postby Agarntrop » Wed Dec 23, 2020 4:27 am

-Astoria- wrote:
Champagne Socialist Sharifistan wrote:Similar reasons why you’d specify the murder of children

Emotionality.

I mean, I'd agree that the murder of the elderly does deserve a harsher punishment than most murders, although I oppose the death penalty altogether.
Labour Party (UK), Progressive Democrat (US)
Left Without Edge
Former Senator Barry Anderson (R-MO)

Governor Tara Misra (R-KY)

Representative John Atang (D-NY03)

Governor Max Smith (R-AZ)

State Senator Simon Hawkins (D-IA)

Join Land of Hope and Glory - a UK political RP project
Top
User avatar
Champagne Socialist Sharifistan
Senator
 
Posts: 4471
Founded: Dec 08, 2019
Ex-Nation

Postby Champagne Socialist Sharifistan » Wed Dec 23, 2020 5:00 am

The Huskar Social Union wrote:
Champagne Socialist Sharifistan wrote:Men should protect women, women should only have one sexual partner

Men and women should protect and help each other, women and men should have one sexual partner whilst in a relationship together unless they both agree to have more.

What if they agree he that he can have more but she can’t?
A nation which partly represents my views.
Founder of the Traditionalist Military Alliance:https://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=493756
The Turkish War of Independence and everything before along with 2014 modernisation are set in stone.
Everything else is subject to change

Black Lives Matter!
Top
User avatar
Agarntrop
Powerbroker
 
Posts: 9845
Founded: May 14, 2018
Ex-Nation

Postby Agarntrop » Wed Dec 23, 2020 5:01 am

Champagne Socialist Sharifistan wrote:
The Huskar Social Union wrote:Men and women should protect and help each other, women and men should have one sexual partner whilst in a relationship together unless they both agree to have more.

What if they agree he that he can have more but she can’t?

Islam, everybody...
Labour Party (UK), Progressive Democrat (US)
Left Without Edge
Former Senator Barry Anderson (R-MO)

Governor Tara Misra (R-KY)

Representative John Atang (D-NY03)

Governor Max Smith (R-AZ)

State Senator Simon Hawkins (D-IA)

Join Land of Hope and Glory - a UK political RP project
Top
User avatar
The Huskar Social Union
Khan of Spam
 
Posts: 59297
Founded: Apr 04, 2012
Left-wing Utopia

Postby The Huskar Social Union » Wed Dec 23, 2020 5:01 am

Champagne Socialist Sharifistan wrote:
The Huskar Social Union wrote:Men and women should protect and help each other, women and men should have one sexual partner whilst in a relationship together unless they both agree to have more.

What if they agree he that he can have more but she can’t?

Then they do that.
Irish Nationalist from Belfast ■■■ / Leftwing / Atheist / Alliance Party voter
"I never thought in terms of being a leader, i thought very simply in terms of helping people" - John Hume 1937 - 2020

I like Miniature painting, Tanks, English Gals, Video games and most importantly Cheese.
Top
User avatar
The Huskar Social Union
Khan of Spam
 
Posts: 59297
Founded: Apr 04, 2012
Left-wing Utopia

Postby The Huskar Social Union » Wed Dec 23, 2020 5:21 am

Agarntrop wrote:
Champagne Socialist Sharifistan wrote:What if they agree he that he can have more but she can’t?

Islam, everybody...

Yup.
Irish Nationalist from Belfast ■■■ / Leftwing / Atheist / Alliance Party voter
"I never thought in terms of being a leader, i thought very simply in terms of helping people" - John Hume 1937 - 2020

I like Miniature painting, Tanks, English Gals, Video games and most importantly Cheese.
Top
User avatar
-Astoria-
Negotiator
 
Posts: 5537
Founded: Oct 27, 2019
Left-wing Utopia

Postby -Astoria- » Wed Dec 23, 2020 8:12 am

Agarntrop wrote:
Champagne Socialist Sharifistan wrote:What if they agree he that he can have more but she can’t?

Islam, everybody...

say what now
                                           ☆           Republic of Astoria | Pobolieth Asdair           ☆                                           
Bedhent cewsel ein gweisiau | Our deeds shall speak
IC: Factbooks • Location • Embassies • FAQ • Integrity | OOC:  CCL's VP • 9th in NSFB#1 • 10/10: DGES
 ⌜✉⌟ TV1 News | 2023-04-11  ▶ ⬤──────── (LIVE) |  Headlines  Winter out; spring in for public parks • Environment ministry announces A₤300m in renewables subsidies • "Not enough," say unions on A₤24m planned Govt cost-of-living salary supplement |  Weather  Liskerry ⛅ 13° • Altas ⛅ 10° • Esterpine ☀ 11° • Naltgybal ☁ 14° • Ceirtryn ⛅ 19° • Bynscel ☀ 11° • Lyteel ☔ 9° |  Traffic  ROADWORKS: WRE expwy towards Port Trelyn closed; use Routes P294 northbound; P83 southbound
Top
User avatar
Champagne Socialist Sharifistan
Senator
 
Posts: 4471
Founded: Dec 08, 2019
Ex-Nation

Postby Champagne Socialist Sharifistan » Wed Dec 23, 2020 8:19 am

The Huskar Social Union wrote:
Champagne Socialist Sharifistan wrote:What if they agree he that he can have more but she can’t?

Then they do that.

Cool but where does society head if most men are cucks or most women trash?
A nation which partly represents my views.
Founder of the Traditionalist Military Alliance:https://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=493756
The Turkish War of Independence and everything before along with 2014 modernisation are set in stone.
Everything else is subject to change

Black Lives Matter!
Top
PreviousNext
Post a reply

Advertisement

Remove ads

Return to General

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Emotional Support Crocodile, Ethel mermania, Hwiteard, Ifreann, Maximum Imperium Rex, ML Library, Simonia, Statesburg

Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group

Advertisement

Remove ads