Corporal punishment of children 「Yes or No?」

[Ethel mermania]

The whole story is he was 4, i was holding his hand, he tried to break free, i said “no”. He tried again, i yelled “NO”. He tried a third time. I hit him hard enough to lift him off his feet. He stopped trying. Second time i hit him, he was 16, he raised his hand to his mother and stepped towards her, i grabbed him by the throat, threw him into a wall got right in his face and said “if you raise your hand to your mother again i will not put you against this wall but put you through it”. Only two times i hit him. Honestly he never gave me any other cause to want too.

Might is right.

I was suppose to let him hit his mother, and let him run into the street? Again. Cool.

[Deacarsia]

I strongly support the corporal punishment of children. Children are irrational, and only physical punishment can correct them.

[Reploid Productions]

Okay guys, gonna level with everybody. NSG is experiencing an absolutely absurd number of these "<topic> Y/N?" threads. Six on the first page alone.It's getting to the point of excessive fad, especially since going "Thing/question- Yes or no?" tends to invite... well, plain yes or no answers. NSG being NSG, folks are at least putting some effort into it, but the formula really needs to be dialed back somewhat or we're going to have to start locking the new copycat fad threads to curtail the overuse of this particular thread formula.

Sanghyeok, in particular you've been putting these up like clockwork every few days since September, almost to the point they're starting to look more bloggy than anything. I commend your enthusiasm, but maybe start new threads a little less frequently, and let your already-going threads have some room to breathe before throwing a new one onto the pile. It's advice usually given to over-enthusiastic aspiring WA authors trying to start half a dozen new proposals all at once, but the same concept does apply in a similar fashion to NSG.

I'm not going to lock this one, and this isn't any sort of official warning for anyone, but we are going to need to start curbing this thread formula if it continues to be excessively overused.

~Evil Forum Empress Rep Prod the Ninja Mod
~She who wields the Banhammer; master of the mighty moderation no-dachi Kiritateru Teikoku

[Kionian]

Here is how power works: it means one gets to be unreasonable and get away with it. Child abuse is tolerated precisely because children have low status.

So if the choice is, let the kid run in the street, or hold on to him and whap in the the ass to get him to stop, your choice is let him run into the street? Cool.

Or, you could mildly restrain your child and educate him/her about the dangers of running in the street.

[Nejii]

As I child I was very spirited. Even stubborn.

I remember my mother always tried the more modern approach with me; timeouts, making me go to bed early, no desert, no tv, etcetera. It worked for a while until I decided “she can’t make me do anything.” I started mouthing off and being directly disrespectful, even laughing as I did.

“Go to the timeout chair, now!” my mother would say. “Make me.” I’d say with a little smart aleck grin. A time or two she would grab my wrist and I would scream or yell and she’d let me go. One time I even slapped her hand away. I would stay up later than I should, leave the house whenever I wanted, and would sometimes even purposefully antagonize my mother just to show that she couldn’t “make” me do anything.

After about three weeks of that she mentioned it on the phone to my dad. (My parents were separated.) I thought it was funny seeing her cry after saying and doing spiteful things to her, I was convinced I was “the boss”. That next weekend I spent with my dad. He technically had weekend custody but worked all the time so I would maybe see him once every two or three months.

On the ride to his house in his truck he said, ”Your mother told me you’ve been very disobedient and disrespectful to her lately, boy.”

“No.” I said impulsively.

“Firstly, ‘no sir’.” he said to me, “Secondly, your mother isn’t a liar. Your going to stop being a disrespectful little ass and start obeying her and being courteous. And just so you know, your not playing the rebellious angle with me. That’s all I’m saying.”

I was quiet on the way to his house. Unfortunately for me, I didn’t take him serious. I told myself he wouldn’t do anything. My mother wasn’t my boss and neither was he. That Saturday afternoon he told me I couldn’t have any ice cream and spoil my dinner. I asked again and he said “no” sharply. I stomped my foot and and before he could say anything else I went into the living room and broke a picture of him and my grandparents. He didn’t say anything. He grabbed me, put me over his knee, and spanked me with with all his arm strength for about ten seconds. I was bawling and in pain and felt emotionally hurt that my dad was hitting me. He sent me to my room and about an hour later he came and sat beside me. He asked if I knew why he did that. I was stuffy and red faced from crying and said, “Because you hate me!”

“No,” he said ,”I did that because I love you.” I was so confused. He explained that he was teaching me there are consequences for wrong actions. He told me “no” and I broke his property out of childish rage. “Do you think if you do something wrong as an adult that the cops will put you in a ten minute time-out or a wag their finger at you? No.” he told me. “Would you rather get a spanking and a life lesson now, or go to jail at eighteen for theft because you think ‘no ones’ the boss of you’”?

Now I’m not the type to try and force an agenda on others or tell other people how to raise their children, but I will say this; I needed a spanking. I received several after that in my childhood years. Oh sure, the softer touch works on some children. But honestly, give me a better way to handle kids that act like I did. Time-out and “no tv” meant nothing to me, but the idea of getting a whacking on the backside steered me from many wrong actions. Yes, I did “rebel” again several times but was set straight. That said I don’t believe in actual beatings, i.e slaps or fist blows to the face or body. That is abuse. So many hyper aggressive people that were beat as youth were most likely severely abused and injured, not just spanked.

I know that spanking kids isn’t for everyone and that’s fine. But SJW’s and busy bodies need to stop with this campaign of arrests and taking kids away from their parents over a slap on the behind for something serious like stealing.

[Neutraligon]

Since the yes no thing has already been answered this is what I will say. We do not allow assault on adults (except it seems when it comes to the police) I see no reason why it should be allowed when the person being assaulted is a child.

[Cordel One]

It's been proven to do almost nothing beyond making kids more angry at their parents and causing them to lie more often. It happened to me a small handful of times, but if anything it was counterproductive. Anyways, there are much better forms of punishment than abuse.

[Necroghastia]

I strongly support the corporal punishment of children. Children are irrational, and only physical punishment can correct them.

Source that only physical punishment works?

[Sundiata]

It's an evil thing to hit children. That's got to stop now.

[Minokawan]

I strongly support the corporal punishment of children. Children are irrational, and only physical punishment can correct them.

please tell me you're joking cause if you arent I'm gonna add someone to my list of people who are going to become my foe right now and that someone will be you

[Minokawan]

So if the choice is, let the kid run in the street, or hold on to him and whap in the the ass to get him to stop, your choice is let him run into the street? Cool.

Or, you could mildly restrain your child and educate him/her about the dangers of running in the street.

exactly

[Nekostan-e Gharbi]

I really don’t even believe in having children.

[Nakena]

I really don’t even believe in having children.

That is very pessimistic.

[Disgraces]

Yeah I turned out fine

[Sundiata]

I really don’t even believe in having children.

I can understand why, it's not an easy thing to be a parent. In fact, there's a lady I know well whose son died at an early age. I see her quite regularly and when I saw her tears, it honestly made me cry myself.

While her son died as an adult he was quite young. To think that anyone could or would cause her son physical harm is really quite sick, especially her son as a child. I have a strong opposition to corporal punishment on those grounds alone, honestly.

It isn't remotely compatible with my values.

[-Astoria-]

I really don’t even believe in having children.

That is very pessimistic.

I wouldn't really say that.

[-Astoria-]

As for the topic question at hand? Absolutely not, as it's basically child abuse in all but name.

(On another note, could we get rid of fullwidth characters "「" at least?)

[Nekostan-e Gharbi]

I really don’t even believe in having children.

That is very pessimistic.

It is consistent with the rest of my worldview.

[Odreria]

I got spanked a few times, don't think it made much difference one way or the other. I imagine some kids need it and some don't.

[An Alan Smithee Nation]

The assumption that parents are hitting their children for the child's own good is bollocks. Some parents hit their children as a lazy way of making their own life easier. Some hit their kids because they enjoy it, it makes them feel powerful over someone else. Some hit their kids when they do stupid and dangerous things. The last one is the only one whose intent is for the child's benefit. Even so - use your words!

[New haven america]

As I child I was very spirited. Even stubborn.

I remember my mother always tried the more modern approach with me; timeouts, making me go to bed early, no desert, no tv, etcetera. It worked for a while until I decided “she can’t make me do anything.” I started mouthing off and being directly disrespectful, even laughing as I did.

“Go to the timeout chair, now!” my mother would say. “Make me.” I’d say with a little smart aleck grin. A time or two she would grab my wrist and I would scream or yell and she’d let me go. One time I even slapped her hand away. I would stay up later than I should, leave the house whenever I wanted, and would sometimes even purposefully antagonize my mother just to show that she couldn’t “make” me do anything.

After about three weeks of that she mentioned it on the phone to my dad. (My parents were separated.) I thought it was funny seeing her cry after saying and doing spiteful things to her, I was convinced I was “the boss”. That next weekend I spent with my dad. He technically had weekend custody but worked all the time so I would maybe see him once every two or three months.

On the ride to his house in his truck he said, ”Your mother told me you’ve been very disobedient and disrespectful to her lately, boy.”

“No.” I said impulsively.

“Firstly, ‘no sir’.” he said to me, “Secondly, your mother isn’t a liar. Your going to stop being a disrespectful little ass and start obeying her and being courteous. And just so you know, your not playing the rebellious angle with me. That’s all I’m saying.”

I was quiet on the way to his house. Unfortunately for me, I didn’t take him serious. I told myself he wouldn’t do anything. My mother wasn’t my boss and neither was he. That Saturday afternoon he told me I couldn’t have any ice cream and spoil my dinner. I asked again and he said “no” sharply. I stomped my foot and and before he could say anything else I went into the living room and broke a picture of him and my grandparents. He didn’t say anything. He grabbed me, put me over his knee, and spanked me with with all his arm strength for about ten seconds. I was bawling and in pain and felt emotionally hurt that my dad was hitting me. He sent me to my room and about an hour later he came and sat beside me. He asked if I knew why he did that. I was stuffy and red faced from crying and said, “Because you hate me!”

“No,” he said ,”I did that because I love you.” I was so confused. He explained that he was teaching me there are consequences for wrong actions. He told me “no” and I broke his property out of childish rage. “Do you think if you do something wrong as an adult that the cops will put you in a ten minute time-out or a wag their finger at you? No.” he told me. “Would you rather get a spanking and a life lesson now, or go to jail at eighteen for theft because you think ‘no ones’ the boss of you’”?

Now I’m not the type to try and force an agenda on others or tell other people how to raise their children, but I will say this; I needed a spanking. I received several after that in my childhood years. Oh sure, the softer touch works on some children. But honestly, give me a better way to handle kids that act like I did. Time-out and “no tv” meant nothing to me, but the idea of getting a whacking on the backside steered me from many wrong actions. Yes, I did “rebel” again several times but was set straight. That said I don’t believe in actual beatings, i.e slaps or fist blows to the face or body. That is abuse. So many hyper aggressive people that were beat as youth were most likely severely abused and injured, not just spanked.

I know that spanking kids isn’t for everyone and that’s fine. But SJW’s and busy bodies need to stop with this campaign of arrests and taking kids away from their parents over a slap on the behind for something serious like stealing.

So is spanking, what's your point?

[Page]

I guess I'm one of the few people who hasn't chosen to rationalize being abused after growing up. Being hit fucked me up, it was wrong, and if I had kids I would break the cycle.

It's so strange, the double standard in society when it comes to violence. If I hit an adult stranger in public I could be charged with a crime, yet that person would be fully capable of defending themselves, hitting me back, alternatively they could just leave and never see me again. But if I hit my own kid who is completely incapable of self-defense and who does not have the option of walking away from me, that's okay? It's bullshit.

[Valentine Z]

You will find that rather than hitting kids, you will have more success if you threaten to replace all of their favorite candies and sweets with liquorice.

Also, nope. I am not for the idea of hitting kids at all. It's not just parents, it's jarring that some schools do that. I am very sure my homeland still does that in the government schools, it's nuts.

[Socialist States of Ludistan]

No, it’s cruel.
Why should hitting an adult be any different from hitting a child?
Just take away their PS4 or something, and show the little brat.

[Avaerilon]

Hitting a child to punish them is simply a form of abuse. I think there's enough long-term psychological studies to show that, in the majority of cases, it simply causes more issues. Striking a child to punish them shows an inability on the part of the adult to provide structure or guidance, or instil helpful values, and possibly undesirable, violent traits on the part of the adult.