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Postby Neutraligon » Fri Dec 18, 2020 4:27 pm

Saint Yosx wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:Less of a grey area is things like withholding stuff the child likes, as punishment for bad behaviour. For example, if they want the parent to buy them a specific toy or game then delaying getting it for them is a legit tactic.



Yeah and using a life lesson like remember doing something without being told or doing something good you can use that toy or game as an reward. The trick is however is to not give them a thing or something of financial value so they don't just do it for acceptance by others or to impress...

Except that the adult world works by giving something of financial value when someone impresses, that is after all what bonuses and tips are. I don't mind using money to convince a child to do their chores so long as the parent is aware that the money they give is the child's as are the items the child buys. They are not the adult's to steal.
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Postby Cordel One » Fri Dec 18, 2020 4:28 pm

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Disgraces wrote:Stop comparing corporal punishment to China's government, fucking Hell


They have the same logic.

If a child can be beaten for not obeying a parent while nobody outside the home can then we have to agree that children are fundamentally low status and their harsh treatment is deliberately tolerated. Since children haven’t done anything wrong to deserve their low status then we have to agree that “might is right” and “power belongs to those capable of harming others” work.

Well, guess what? That’s how China works. Hence if you think children should be beaten for offenses adults are not punished for at all then you do agree with China.

People get beaten in all sorts of countries, especially authoritarian ones. Please stop making every single thread about China. We already have like five China threads.
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Postby Nekostan-e Gharbi » Fri Dec 18, 2020 4:37 pm

Neutraligon wrote:
Saint Yosx wrote:

Yeah and using a life lesson like remember doing something without being told or doing something good you can use that toy or game as an reward. The trick is however is to not give them a thing or something of financial value so they don't just do it for acceptance by others or to impress...

Except that the adult world works by giving something of financial value when someone impresses, that is after all what bonuses and tips are. I don't mind using money to convince a child to do their chores so long as the parent is aware that the money they give is the child's as are the items the child buys. They are not the adult's to steal.


The reason why adults don’t recognize child ownership is the same as the reason why adults think it is ok to beat kids over reasons adults are never punished for and why child sacrifice was fairly common: children are humans but not full persons with personhood. That’s of course what adults like to hide from children.
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Postby Disgraces » Fri Dec 18, 2020 4:40 pm

Nekostan-e Gharbi wrote:
Disgraces wrote:Stop comparing corporal punishment to China's government, fucking Hell


They have the same logic.

Nope. You aren't even comparing apples to oranges. You're comparing apples to bowling balls.

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Postby Nekostan-e Gharbi » Fri Dec 18, 2020 4:46 pm

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They have the same logic.

Nope. You aren't even comparing apples to oranges. You're comparing apples to bowling balls.


Nope. Authoritarian states and authoritarian families reinforce each other. Please read Emmanuel Todd.
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Postby Disgraces » Fri Dec 18, 2020 4:48 pm

Nekostan-e Gharbi wrote:
Disgraces wrote:Nope. You aren't even comparing apples to oranges. You're comparing apples to bowling balls.


Nope. Authoritarian states and authoritarian families reinforce each other. Please read Emmanuel Todd.

Smacking your kid for misbehaving barely has anything to do with authoritarianism lol

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Postby Nekostan-e Gharbi » Fri Dec 18, 2020 4:50 pm

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Nekostan-e Gharbi wrote:
Nope. Authoritarian states and authoritarian families reinforce each other. Please read Emmanuel Todd.

Smacking your kid for misbehaving barely has anything to do with authoritarianism lol


If “misbehaving” includes mere refusal to obey or show unusual respect to a parent then of course it is authoritarian. You can’t believe that a child is not morally inferior to an adult AND discrimination against children is moral at the same time.

What’s particularly funny is that parentism is not even consistent with “might is right” as children will eventually grow up.
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Postby Disgraces » Fri Dec 18, 2020 4:55 pm

Nekostan-e Gharbi wrote:
Disgraces wrote:Smacking your kid for misbehaving barely has anything to do with authoritarianism lol


If “misbehaving” includes mere refusal to obey or show unusual respect to a parent then of course it is authoritarian. You can’t believe that a child is not morally inferior to an adult AND discrimination against children is moral at the same time.

What’s particularly funny is that parentism is not even consistent with “might is right” as children will eventually grow up.

misbehaving: (of a person, especially a child) fail to conduct oneself in an acceptable way; behave badly.
Acting in an unacceptable way is deserving of a smack in my opinion.

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Postby Nekostan-e Gharbi » Fri Dec 18, 2020 4:57 pm

Disgraces wrote:
Nekostan-e Gharbi wrote:
If “misbehaving” includes mere refusal to obey or show unusual respect to a parent then of course it is authoritarian. You can’t believe that a child is not morally inferior to an adult AND discrimination against children is moral at the same time.

What’s particularly funny is that parentism is not even consistent with “might is right” as children will eventually grow up.

misbehaving: (of a person, especially a child) fail to conduct oneself in an acceptable way; behave badly.
Acting in an unacceptable way is deserving of a smack in my opinion.


That’s authoritarian and disproportionate since nobody smacks adults for doing what is considered misbehaving if done by a child. In the adult world there are fines and even prisons. However one does not simply “misbehave” to get these things.

When Nazis proclaimed that 100 Serbs get murdered for 1 killed German at least they did formally believe and admitted that they believed that German lives were worth more than Serbian ones.
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Postby Disgraces » Fri Dec 18, 2020 5:03 pm

Nekostan-e Gharbi wrote:
Disgraces wrote:misbehaving: (of a person, especially a child) fail to conduct oneself in an acceptable way; behave badly.
Acting in an unacceptable way is deserving of a smack in my opinion.


That’s authoritarian and disproportionate since nobody smacks adults for doing what is considered misbehaving if done by a child. In the adult world there are fines and even prisons. However one does not simply “misbehave” to get these things.

When Nazis proclaimed that 100 Serbs get murdered for 1 killed German at least they did formally believe and admitted that they believed that German lives were worth more than Serbian ones.

Smacking an adult for misbehaving won't do shit. Smacking a kid for misbehaving will.

Are you seriously comparing me to nazis?
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Postby Nekostan-e Gharbi » Fri Dec 18, 2020 5:04 pm

Disgraces wrote:
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That’s authoritarian and disproportionate since nobody smacks adults for doing what is considered misbehaving if done by a child. In the adult world there are fines and even prisons. However one does not simply “misbehave” to get these things.

When Nazis proclaimed that 100 Serbs get murdered for 1 killed German at least they did formally believe and admitted that they believed that German lives were worth more than Serbian ones.

Smacking an adult for misbehaving won't do shit. Smacking a kid for misbehaving will.

Are you actually comparing me to nazis?


Maybe people who support beating kids should also support killing them. Because why not? They are low status and hence deserve to be mistreated, right? This was actually widespread in the past.
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Postby Disgraces » Fri Dec 18, 2020 5:08 pm

Nekostan-e Gharbi wrote:
Disgraces wrote:Smacking an adult for misbehaving won't do shit. Smacking a kid for misbehaving will.

Are you actually comparing me to nazis?


Maybe people who support beating kids should also support killing them. Because why not? They are low status and hence deserve to be mistreated, right? This was actually widespread in the past.

A smack ≠ beating. And smacking ≠ fucking killing.

Stop saying bullshit such as me being a nazi or a child killer just because I don't condemn corporal punishment, please.

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Postby Nekostan-e Gharbi » Fri Dec 18, 2020 5:13 pm

Disgraces wrote:
Nekostan-e Gharbi wrote:
Maybe people who support beating kids should also support killing them. Because why not? They are low status and hence deserve to be mistreated, right? This was actually widespread in the past.

A smack ≠ beating. And smacking ≠ fucking killing.

Stop saying bullshit such as me being a nazi or a child killer just because I don't condemn corporal punishment, please.


People shouldn’t be smacked simply for being unable to fight back.
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Postby Disgraces » Fri Dec 18, 2020 5:14 pm

Nekostan-e Gharbi wrote:
Disgraces wrote:A smack ≠ beating. And smacking ≠ fucking killing.

Stop saying bullshit such as me being a nazi or a child killer just because I don't condemn corporal punishment, please.


People shouldn’t be smacked simply for being unable to fight back.

Punishment isn't about people being weaker Jesus Christ

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Postby Nekostan-e Gharbi » Fri Dec 18, 2020 5:20 pm

Disgraces wrote:
Nekostan-e Gharbi wrote:
People shouldn’t be smacked simply for being unable to fight back.

Punishment isn't about people being weaker Jesus Christ


Disproportionate punishment and expansion of definition of offense for low status people are. There is no adult-child parity in punishment. In fact most child “offenses” aren’t actually offenses if commited by adults. Hence punishment for such non-offenses has to be understood as abusing low status people.
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Postby Senkaku » Fri Dec 18, 2020 5:21 pm

Generally I think if they’re old enough to understand why you’re punishing them, you shouldn’t be hitting them, and if they aren’t then they won’t understand why you’re hitting them, but there’s a few exceptions— some little kids seem to think running into the street is a super funny game, and I think the only way to get them properly deterred (or just to stop them from doing it in the moment) is to hit them. Unless they’re putting themselves or someone else in mortal peril like that where the parent has no other choice, though, I think it’s wrong.
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Postby Disgraces » Fri Dec 18, 2020 5:22 pm

Nekostan-e Gharbi wrote:
Disgraces wrote:Punishment isn't about people being weaker Jesus Christ


Disproportionate punishment and expansion of definition of offense for low status people are.

A simple smack for misbehaving ins't disproportionate.

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Postby Nekostan-e Gharbi » Fri Dec 18, 2020 5:23 pm

Disgraces wrote:
Nekostan-e Gharbi wrote:
Disproportionate punishment and expansion of definition of offense for low status people are.

A simple smack for misbehaving ins't disproportionate.


But why don’t we smack adults for “misbehaving”? More importantly why are behaviors considered “misbehaving” not considered such when commited by adults?

It’s not about the behavior being harmful since child behavior doesn’t tend to cause much harm compared to adult behavior. Instead it is about children not accepting their low status lol....Hahahahahahaha just admit it even though it is not politically correct lol.
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Postby Brulave » Fri Dec 18, 2020 5:41 pm

Sanghyeok wrote:Corporal・physical punishment of children is quite controversial. According to Global Initiative to End All Corporal Punishment, corporal punishment is "Corporal punishment is the most common form of violence against children worldwide. It includes any punishment in which physical force is used and intended to cause some degree of pain or discomfort, however light, as well as non-physical forms of punishment that are cruel and degrading." Those opposing corporal punishment note it is ineffective and has been condemned by the UN Committee on Rights of Child as a "violation on children's rights" due to being causing "physical, mental or sexual harm or suffering". Numerous studies also suggest corporal punishment leading to greater rates of aggression later on in life. Due to these findings, corporal punishment is currently illegal in over 60 countries. However, those defending corporal punishment claim it is necessary, so corporal punishment remains popular and legal in the rest of the world.

NSG, what's your opinion on corporal punishment? I strong oppose corporal punishment since it establishes unhealthy relationships between parent and child and also damages the child's development.

why should this be a goddamn question. Nobody, especially children, shouldn't endure physical punishment. If you hit your children, then they don't need you. And why is sexual harm for children there, that is pedophilia.

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Postby Disgraces » Fri Dec 18, 2020 5:42 pm

Nekostan-e Gharbi wrote:
Disgraces wrote:A simple smack for misbehaving ins't disproportionate.


But why don’t we smack adults for “misbehaving”? More importantly why are behaviors considered “misbehaving” not considered such when commited by adults?
Because, like I told you, smacking an adult for misbehaving won't do shit.
It’s not about the behavior being harmful since child behavior doesn’t tend to cause much harm compared to adult behavior. Instead it is about children not accepting their low status lol....Hahahahahahaha just admit it even though it is not politically correct lol.

Just stfu, will you?

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Postby Nekostan-e Gharbi » Fri Dec 18, 2020 5:45 pm

Disgraces wrote:
Nekostan-e Gharbi wrote:
But why don’t we smack adults for “misbehaving”? More importantly why are behaviors considered “misbehaving” not considered such when commited by adults?
Because, like I told you, smacking an adult for misbehaving won't do shit.
It’s not about the behavior being harmful since child behavior doesn’t tend to cause much harm compared to adult behavior. Instead it is about children not accepting their low status lol....Hahahahahahaha just admit it even though it is not politically correct lol.

Just stfu, will you?


Being angry is usually evidence that one has lost the argument. “just stfu” is indeed pretty parentist. Fortunately I’m an adult and since I don’t live in a place like China I’m not parentable.
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Postby Disgraces » Fri Dec 18, 2020 5:50 pm

Nekostan-e Gharbi wrote:
Disgraces wrote: Because, like I told you, smacking an adult for misbehaving won't do shit.

Just stfu, will you?


Being angry is usually evidence that one has lost the argument. “just stfu” is indeed pretty parentist. Fortunately I’m an adult and since I don’t live in a place like China I’m not parentable.

I told you to stfu because you're just prattling at this point.

Literally called me a nazi chinese childkiller just because I don't condemn a smack to your child when he kisbehsves lmaooo

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Postby Nekostan-e Gharbi » Fri Dec 18, 2020 6:11 pm

Disgraces wrote:
Nekostan-e Gharbi wrote:
Being angry is usually evidence that one has lost the argument. “just stfu” is indeed pretty parentist. Fortunately I’m an adult and since I don’t live in a place like China I’m not parentable.

I told you to stfu because you're just prattling at this point.

Literally called me a nazi chinese childkiller just because I don't condemn a smack to your child when he kisbehsves lmaooo


I didn’t actually call you one. We have to admit that beating kids for disobeying their parents is unfair and authoritarian.

Of course if your entire worldview is authoritarian you can and should accept it. Otherwise you shouldn’t.
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Postby The Three Palins » Fri Dec 18, 2020 7:18 pm

Disgraces wrote:
Nekostan-e Gharbi wrote:
Being angry is usually evidence that one has lost the argument. “just stfu” is indeed pretty parentist. Fortunately I’m an adult and since I don’t live in a place like China I’m not parentable.

I told you to stfu because you're just prattling at this point.

Literally called me a nazi chinese childkiller just because I don't condemn a smack to your child when he kisbehsves lmaooo


"May as well be hung for a sheep as a lamb" is not a good attitude to Mod.

You know you're in trouble, so why not do some more damage.

Um, dude, you just offended TWICE. That's worse than ONCE, see?


Tho. You still have time to nominate "kisbehsves" for Word of the Year. :lol:
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Postby The Three Palins » Fri Dec 18, 2020 7:26 pm

Nekostan-e Gharbi wrote:
Disgraces wrote: Because, like I told you, smacking an adult for misbehaving won't do shit.

Just stfu, will you?


Being angry is usually evidence that one has lost the argument. “just stfu” is indeed pretty parentist. Fortunately I’m an adult and since I don’t live in a place like China I’m not parentable.


The random shot at China was a bit risky. You're absolutely sure Disgraces isn't from there?

"Child behaviour doesn't do much harm" is some kind of neolithic fallacy. Without much knowledge or good weapons, what harm could a small version of Homo Horribilis do?

Whatever harm its parent/protector trains it to. Child soldiers, anyone?
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