Corporal punishment of children 「Yes or No?」

[Sanghyeok]

Corporal・physical punishment of children is quite controversial. According to Global Initiative to End All Corporal Punishment, corporal punishment is "Corporal punishment is the most common form of violence against children worldwide. It includes any punishment in which physical force is used and intended to cause some degree of pain or discomfort, however light, as well as non-physical forms of punishment that are cruel and degrading." Those opposing corporal punishment note it is ineffective and has been condemned by the UN Committee on Rights of Child as a "violation on children's rights" due to being causing "physical, mental or sexual harm or suffering". Numerous studies also suggest corporal punishment leading to greater rates of aggression later on in life. Due to these findings, corporal punishment is currently illegal in over 60 countries. However, those defending corporal punishment claim it is necessary, so corporal punishment remains popular and legal in the rest of the world.

NSG, what's your opinion on corporal punishment? I strong oppose corporal punishment since it establishes unhealthy relationships between parent and child and also damages the child's development.

[Romextly]

Well, as a person who was regularly spanked and hit by the belt and shoe. It really hurts. And it makes you really mad at your parents. In fact, you might be really sad. But it showed me where I got wrong and my parents and I always made up. I know it's probably not very effective and some people got it worse, but I support that it shouldn't be pre meditated though it is possible that in blind anger parents may lash out

[The 189]

Well, as a person who was regularly spanked and hit by the belt and shoe. It really hurts. And it makes you really mad at your parents. In fact, you might be really sad. But it showed me where I got wrong and my parents and I always made up. I know it's probably not very effective and some people got it worse, but I support that it shouldn't be pre meditated though it is possible that in blind anger parents may lash out

If you need a weapon like a belt or a shoe, you're hitting your kid too much.

[Nekostan-e Gharbi]

Corporal・physical punishment of children is quite controversial. According to Global Initiative to End All Corporal Punishment, corporal punishment is "Corporal punishment is the most common form of violence against children worldwide. It includes any punishment in which physical force is used and intended to cause some degree of pain or discomfort, however light, as well as non-physical forms of punishment that are cruel and degrading." Those opposing corporal punishment note it is ineffective and has been condemned by the UN Committee on Rights of Child as a "violation on children's rights" due to being causing "physical, mental or sexual harm or suffering". Numerous studies also suggest corporal punishment leading to greater rates of aggression later on in life. Due to these findings, corporal punishment is currently illegal in over 60 countries. However, those defending corporal punishment claim it is necessary, so corporal punishment remains popular and legal in the rest of the world.

NSG, what's your opinion on corporal punishment? I strong oppose corporal punishment since it establishes unhealthy relationships between parent and child and also damages the child's development.

I’m not sure why this is controversial. Children shouldn’t be beaten for behaviors adults won’t be punished for. Of course children will perpetually be beaten for trivial or no reason at all for the same reason why antisemitism, bullying and misogyny are persistent and universal: If you are harmless sociopaths will claim that you are actually harmful and harm you as “punishment” for your supposed crimes. On the other hand if you are actually capable of harm and demonstrate that (note that this is not the same as actually harming people for the sake of it) then sociopaths will not dare to bother you.

[Odreria]

didn't we have this exact thread like two months ago

[Kergstan]

Corporal punishment oftentimes is more caused by a parent's stress related to other issues and having a undefended little thing where to throw all your frustrations comes useful, if this happens rarely, meaning less than once a year, we can deal with it, otherwise it could be symptom of a lasting pattern of physical and psychological abuse which would harm a children possibly more than being taken away from such family or parent.

My position is in between the scandinavian, seeing it as too excessively interventionist and the general western approach which often is disinterested or gives parents multiple chances or lack of supervision.

[Senkaku]

I'm gonna need the 「Yes or No?」threads to stop

[Sanghyeok]

I'm gonna need the 「Yes or No?」threads to stop

Should we stop Yes or No threads? 「Yes or No?」
I think I need to make just a few more before my contract is fulfilled.

[Postauthoritarian America]

Children are not for hitting.

[Ethel mermania]

Not as a go too.


Once in a blue moon it can be effective, and there is an age 3ish or 4ish where a short quick whap in the ass is necessary and the only thing you can do to stop dangerous behavior.

That said if you need to beat your kid to get compliance there is something seriously wrong with your parenting.

[Saiwania]

I'm strongly in favor, it works- I will defend the practice in that there are situations where only force accomplishes the desired outcome.

[Freiheit Reich]

Should be allowed in moderation and weapons should not be used unless absolutely necessary (the kid is attacking someone and a weapon is needed to stop him). Hitting should only be done if the kid hits first and in my case, being hit only made me resentful and didn't help me behave better because I was told that I should not hit unless I was hit first and I found it hypocritical that I was hit for simply arguing. I will admit that soap in my mouth (considered a kind of corporal punishment by some) actually helped me not use rude language. However, being hit made me more independent because it made me want to leave home and stay away from home more. It also weakened my relationship with my mother and stepfather which made me less homesick when I moved away.

[Romextly]

Should be allowed in moderation and weapons should not be used unless absolutely necessary (the kid is attacking someone and a weapon is needed to stop him). Hitting should only be done if the kid hits first and in my case, being hit only made me resentful and didn't help me behave better because I was told that I should not hit unless I was hit first and I found it hypocritical that I was hit for simply arguing. I will admit that soap in my mouth (considered a kind of corporal punishment by some) actually helped me not use rude language. However, being hit made me more independent because it made me want to leave home and stay away from home more. It also weakened my relationship with my mother and stepfather which made me less homesick when I moved away.

Oh, very true

[New haven america]

It's child abuse.

[New haven america]

I'm gonna need the 「Yes or No?」threads to stop

Should we stop Yes or No threads? 「Yes or No?」
I think I need to make just a few more before my contract is fulfilled.

Yes.

[Nekostan-e Gharbi]

Not as a go too.


Once in a blue moon it can be effective, and there is an age 3ish or 4ish where a short quick whap in the ass is necessary and the only thing you can do to stop dangerous behavior.

That said if you need to beat your kid to get compliance there is something seriously wrong with your parenting.

Here is how power works: it means one gets to be unreasonable and get away with it. Child abuse is tolerated precisely because children have low status.

[Postauthoritarian America]

Hitting children accomplishes nothing positive and much that is bad. If you can't manage a child without hitting him or her you shouldn't have any.

Extensive research demonstrates that although corporal punishment may have a high rate of immediate behavior modification, it is ineffective over time, and is associated with increased aggression and decreased moral internalization of appropriate behavior. Additional negative outcomes associated with corporal punishment are:

- Increased risk for physical abuse
- Learning that aggression is an acceptable method of problem solving
- Experiencing physical and emotional pain, which decreases learning capacity
- Being less likely to learn why a certain behavior or action was wrong
- Behaving out of fear in the future

American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry

[Ethel mermania]

Not as a go too.


Once in a blue moon it can be effective, and there is an age 3ish or 4ish where a short quick whap in the ass is necessary and the only thing you can do to stop dangerous behavior.

That said if you need to beat your kid to get compliance there is something seriously wrong with your parenting.

Here is how power works: it means one gets to be unreasonable and get away with it. Child abuse is tolerated precisely because children have low status.

So if the choice is, let the kid run in the street, or hold on to him and whap in the the ass to get him to stop, your choice is let him run into the street? Cool.

[Nekostan-e Gharbi]

Here is how power works: it means one gets to be unreasonable and get away with it. Child abuse is tolerated precisely because children have low status.

So if the choice is, let the kid run in the street, or hold on to him and whap in the the ass to get him to stop, your choice is let him run into the street? Cool.

Exactly. I truly believe in individualism and know very well that families are among its worst enemies.

[Postauthoritarian America]

Here is how power works: it means one gets to be unreasonable and get away with it. Child abuse is tolerated precisely because children have low status.

So if the choice is, let the kid run in the street, or hold on to him and whap in the the ass to get him to stop, your choice is let him run into the street hold on to him or her? Cool.

fify

also false dichotomy

[Nekostan-e Gharbi]

We have to understand that in the past children have a lot of “interesting” purposes: human sacrifice victims, rape victims who can’t complain, people you can abuse at will etc.

[Ethel mermania]

So if the choice is, let the kid run in the street, or hold on to him and whap in the the ass to get him to stop, your choice is let him run into the street hold on to him or her? Cool.

fify

The whole story is he was 4, i was holding his hand, he tried to break free, i said “no”. He tried again, i yelled “NO”. He tried a third time. I hit him hard enough to lift him off his feet. He stopped trying. Second time i hit him, he was 16, he raised his hand to his mother and stepped towards her, i grabbed him by the throat, threw him into a wall got right in his face and said “if you raise your hand to your mother again i will not put you against this wall but put you through it”. Only two times i hit him. Honestly he never gave me any other cause to want too.

[Nekostan-e Gharbi]

fify

The whole story is he was 4, i was holding his hand, he tried to break free, i said “no”. He tried again, i yelled “NO”. He tried a third time. I hit him hard enough to lift him off his feet. He stopped trying. Second time i hit him, he was 16, he raised his hand to his mother and stepped towards her, i grabbed him by the throat, threw him into a wall got right in his face and said “if you raise your hand to your mother again i will not put you against this wall but put you through it”. Only two times i hit him. Honestly he never gave me any other cause to want too.

Might is right.

[Necroghastia]

It's absolutely disgusting.

[The 189]

fify

The whole story is he was 4, i was holding his hand, he tried to break free, i said “no”. He tried again, i yelled “NO”. He tried a third time. I hit him hard enough to lift him off his feet. He stopped trying. Second time i hit him, he was 16, he raised his hand to his mother and stepped towards her, i grabbed him by the throat, threw him into a wall got right in his face and said “if you raise your hand to your mother again i will not put you against this wall but put you through it”. Only two times i hit him. Honestly he never gave me any other cause to want too.

This is why "yes/no" threads don't work, because there is a world of difference between this and someone that's whipping their kid's ass with a belt every time he gets a little spunky.