PR for Beginners(A Dutch Election Thread)

[The Alma Mater]

I don't understand. Does it support marijuana and prostitution ? What attitude does DENK party have towards LGBT ?

marijuana: should be distributed by the government instead of coffeeshops and be discouraged.
Prostitution: against the current red light districts, not calling for a ban
lgbt: avoids an official stance. The party however tends to vote against lgbt rights and the founders have critisiced Turks participating in the gaypride.

[Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum]

DENK+Labour Party+Democrats 66 Is it possible for these parties to form an alliance ?

[Shrillland]

I don't understand. Does it support marijuana and prostitution ? What attitude does DENK party have towards LGBT ?

marijuana: should be distributed by the government instead of coffeeshops and be discouraged.
Prostitution: against the current red light districts, not calling for a ban
lgbt: avoids an official stance. The party however tends to vote against lgbt rights and the founders have critisiced Turks participating in the gaypride.

My apologies for getting it wrong.

[The Alma Mater]

DENK+Labour Party+Democrats 66 Is it possible for these parties to form an alliance ?

In theory yes, in practice they are nowhere near a majority in the current climate.
Also the government has taken explicit steps to exclude DENK from workgroups that have access to state secrets due to its bonds with Erdogan.

[Shrillland]

I don't understand. Does it support marijuana and prostitution ? What attitude does DENK party have towards LGBT ?

marijuana: should be distributed by the government instead of coffeeshops and be discouraged.
Prostitution: against the current red light districts, not calling for a ban
lgbt: avoids an official stance. The party however tends to vote against lgbt rights and the founders have critisiced Turks participating in the gaypride.

My apologies for getting it wrong.

DENK+Labour Party+Democrats 66 Is it possible for these parties to form an alliance ?

Not really. Hardly anyone else wants to work with DENK, and combined they're not going to get a majority anyway.

[Nova Anglicana]

Unwieldy and broad coalitions seem to be the price the Dutch pay for keeping the far-right out of power. I'm not keen on Rutte's economic liberalism or stinginess when it comes to the EU, but they seem to be relatively competent, so I hope for a decent result for them and that they are in government.

I will say I like the D66 platform of more European co-operation and democracy reform, as well as their green aspects, but they are a little socially liberal for me. I'm more in line with the Christian democracy of CDA or CU (I like CDA as a reliable centrist party, while CU combines a more pro-life stance with more fiscally left stances, both of which appeal to me). PvdA would probably be fine too, but they seem kind of exhausted. Groenlinks might also be okay.

I guess I would start from a point of support for CDA or CU, then see what the specific issues are and how each party addresses them. This is how I feel about some other European countries, such as Switzerland and Germany, where a number of parties are acceptable.

At the end, all I can say is I hope for a poor result for PVV and FvD.

[Shrillland]

Unwieldy and broad coalitions seem to be the price the Dutch pay for keeping the far-right out of power. I'm not keen on Rutte's economic liberalism or stinginess when it comes to the EU, but they seem to be relatively competent, so I hope for a decent result for them and that they are in government.

I will say I like the D66 platform of more European co-operation and democracy reform, as well as their green aspects, but they are a little socially liberal for me. I'm more in line with the Christian democracy of CDA or CU (I like CDA as a reliable centrist party, while CU combines a more pro-life stance with more fiscally left stances, both of which appeal to me). PvdA would probably be fine too, but they seem kind of exhausted. Groenlinks might also be okay.

I guess I would start from a point of support for CDA or CU, then see what the specific issues are and how each party addresses them. This is how I feel about some other European countries, such as Switzerland and Germany, where a number of parties are acceptable.

At the end, all I can say is I hope for a poor result for PVV and FvD.

FvD, certainly, they'll only get 4 seats if that. PVV, on the other hand, has been mainstream in the Netherlands for a long time, particularly in the old industrial heartlands in the south. They're poised to go up to 25 or 26 seats at the moment, a comfortable second place.

[Nova Anglicana]

Unwieldy and broad coalitions seem to be the price the Dutch pay for keeping the far-right out of power. I'm not keen on Rutte's economic liberalism or stinginess when it comes to the EU, but they seem to be relatively competent, so I hope for a decent result for them and that they are in government.

I will say I like the D66 platform of more European co-operation and democracy reform, as well as their green aspects, but they are a little socially liberal for me. I'm more in line with the Christian democracy of CDA or CU (I like CDA as a reliable centrist party, while CU combines a more pro-life stance with more fiscally left stances, both of which appeal to me). PvdA would probably be fine too, but they seem kind of exhausted. Groenlinks might also be okay.

I guess I would start from a point of support for CDA or CU, then see what the specific issues are and how each party addresses them. This is how I feel about some other European countries, such as Switzerland and Germany, where a number of parties are acceptable.

At the end, all I can say is I hope for a poor result for PVV and FvD.

FvD, certainly, they'll only get 4 seats if that. PVV, on the other hand, has been mainstream in the Netherlands for a long time, particularly in the old industrial heartlands in the south. They're poised to go up to 25 or 26 seats at the moment, a comfortable second place.

Yech. PVV had a weak EU election, so I was hoping their sun had already reached its zenith and was starting to decline.

[Anatoliyanskiy]

FvD, certainly, they'll only get 4 seats if that. PVV, on the other hand, has been mainstream in the Netherlands for a long time, particularly in the old industrial heartlands in the south. They're poised to go up to 25 or 26 seats at the moment, a comfortable second place.

Yech. PVV had a weak EU election, so I was hoping their sun had already reached its zenith and was starting to decline.

Sadly a quick look at the polls is pretty disheartening.

[The Blaatschapen]

A bit early for the thread.

I was planning on this when the campaigns actually start. In other words, the new year.

For a foreigner you're doing a not too terrible a job though

[Shrillland]

A bit early for the thread.

I was planning on this when the campaigns actually start. In other words, the new year.

For a foreigner you're doing a not too terrible a job though

Oh, thank you. As I said, I usually do these two months out, but your voting threads usually start earlier in my experience here.

[The Blaatschapen]

I don't know what I'll vote yet.

I've voted D66 on quite a few occasions, but I might go for Party of the Animals this time. Or forsake my military brat roots and vote GroenLinks.

[Bienenhalde]

I think if I were Dutch I would support Christian Democratic Appeal. But if one is available, I would like to take an election quiz for fun.

[The Alma Mater]

I think if I were Dutch I would support Christian Democratic Appeal. But if one is available, I would like to take an election quiz for fun.

Can you read Dutch ? The ones for 2021 are not ready yet (because not all parties have published their programmes) - but several 2017 ones are still online. But, as said, in Dutch.
https://tweedekamer2017.stemwijzer.nl/#intro
https://tweedekamer2017.kieskompas.nl/nl/#!/

[Shrillland]

I think if I were Dutch I would support Christian Democratic Appeal. But if one is available, I would like to take an election quiz for fun.

Can you read Dutch ? The ones for 2021 are not ready yet (because not all parties have published their programmes) - but several 2017 ones are still online. But, as said, in Dutch.
https://tweedekamer2017.stemwijzer.nl/#intro
https://tweedekamer2017.kieskompas.nl/nl/#!/

That's fine, I use Google Translate on guides like this all the time.

[Anatoliyanskiy]

well well well big news, a new right-wing, conservative liberal party has been registered and formed in the Netherlands, and will be participating in the election. They are called Ja21 and are a split from the Forum for Democracy. They stated the split was because of how they were dissatisfied with how FvD handled anti-semitism in its youth wing. So that's something to think about. Polling shows them winning a seat, but it's early.

[Thermodolia]

SP for me

[Shrillland]

well well well big news, a new right-wing, conservative liberal party has been registered and formed in the Netherlands, and will be participating in the election. They are called Ja21 and are a split from the Forum for Democracy. They stated the split was because of how they were dissatisfied with how FvD handled anti-semitism in its youth wing. So that's something to think about. Polling shows them winning a seat, but it's early.

I'll wait a couple of weeks, if they still show up, I'll add them to the OP.

[Anatoliyanskiy]

well well well big news, a new right-wing, conservative liberal party has been registered and formed in the Netherlands, and will be participating in the election. They are called Ja21 and are a split from the Forum for Democracy. They stated the split was because of how they were dissatisfied with how FvD handled anti-semitism in its youth wing. So that's something to think about. Polling shows them winning a seat, but it's early.

I'll wait a couple of weeks, if they still show up, I'll add them to the OP.

They got 3 MEPs through the floor crossing of FVDs former MEPs, so they do have seats in the EU Parliament. And they're included in the polls. I mean I don't really support them but they seem legit.

[Pan Evropa]

The Netherlands is very hard. There are no right-wing eurofederalists, just populists and opponents to integration. The CDA have recovered their vote in the last few polls, if they keep gaining slowly until March I would be happy

well well well big news, a new right-wing, conservative liberal party has been registered and formed in the Netherlands, and will be participating in the election. They are called Ja21 and are a split from the Forum for Democracy. They stated the split was because of how they were dissatisfied with how FvD handled anti-semitism in its youth wing. So that's something to think about. Polling shows them winning a seat, but it's early.

I'll wait a couple of weeks, if they still show up, I'll add them to the OP.

Yeah, they are positioning themselves as a party in between the VVD and PVV/FvD. They will probably end up in parliament but the populist vote is very split now.

[Bienenhalde]

The Netherlands is very hard. There are no right-wing eurofederalists, just populists and opponents to integration. The CDA have recovered their vote in the last few polls, if they keep gaining slowly until March I would be happy

I agree with many parts of the Christian Union platform, but I have serious concerns with their Euroscepticism and their position on LGBT issues. Isn't CDA right-wing and pro-European, though?

[Pan Evropa]

The Netherlands is very hard. There are no right-wing eurofederalists, just populists and opponents to integration. The CDA have recovered their vote in the last few polls, if they keep gaining slowly until March I would be happy

I agree with many parts of the Christian Union platform, but I have serious concerns with their Euroscepticism and their position on LGBT issues. Isn't CDA right-wing and pro-European, though?

Same, I'd probably vote CU but they're too eurosceptic. I would class the CDA as one of the more liberal Christian Democratic parties in Europe - they've moved way too close to the centre for me personally. Despite this they are a good pro-European party, but not federalists. The VVD are another good option but they're too fiscally conservative, especially in Europe.

[Anatoliyanskiy]

Are we gonna ignore the Henk Krol List? Yep ok.

[Pan Evropa]

Are we gonna ignore the Henk Krol List? Yep ok.

They haven't polled to win any seats since August.

[Anatoliyanskiy]

Are we gonna ignore the Henk Krol List? Yep ok.

They haven't polled to win any seats since August.

eh true. Henk Krols political journey is confusing at best. He gets elected as leader of 50PLUS, elected to HoR, leaves party after a while and forms Party for the Future with a PvdD defector. Leaves that after a while for some reason to form the Henk Krol List. I don't see the reason for any of that .