Vandals Hit Black Churches During Weekend Pro-Trump Rallies

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One way to reduce violence would be to agree that racism is wrong and that all lives matter. Attacking a black separatist church is not cool (BLM to me means they are against other races or think of their race as superior) but the church was asking for it by placing hateful banners up. People with KKK signs would likely find the signs destroyed as well.

Again, this doesn't make it right and likely will just make the blacks at that church hate whites even more. It is sad that so many in the USA want to have a race war. We need politicians to stand up and say 'ALL LIVES MATTER' which includes black, brown, yellow, white, red, purple, blue, and green lives. This will solve many problems.

At this point, you and everyone else have been educated about the numerous reasons why the phrase "all lives matter" is bullshit, at least stop pretending that there isn't reactionary intent behind it.

[Vassenor]

One way to reduce violence would be to agree that racism is wrong and that all lives matter. Attacking a black separatist church is not cool (BLM to me means they are against other races or think of their race as superior) but the church was asking for it by placing hateful banners up. People with KKK signs would likely find the signs destroyed as well.

Again, this doesn't make it right and likely will just make the blacks at that church hate whites even more. It is sad that so many in the USA want to have a race war. We need politicians to stand up and say 'ALL LIVES MATTER' which includes black, brown, yellow, white, red, purple, blue, and green lives. This will solve many problems.

Just because you intentionally misread the message in the banner does not make destroying it right.

[Loben III]

I mean it’s just a banner probably made of paper or cloth, why does it matter?

[Nekostan-e Gharbi]

We need rules everyone can agree on.

I know it is not actually possible but still..

[Nakena]

We need rules everyone can agree on.

I know it is not actually possible but still..

it's difficult when both sides have very different perceptions of reality.

[Nekostan-e Gharbi]

We need rules everyone can agree on.

I know it is not actually possible but still..

it's difficult when both sides have very different perceptions of reality.

I would say it’s more likely because both sides don’t have good faith.

Tribal conflicts are always amoral. Serbs will always have an expanded definition of Serbia and Croats will always have an expanded definition of Croatia. If you sit in the middle and try to objectively divide Serbia from Croatia while maintaining fairness you will be attacked by both. Serbian nationalists will of course claim that you are somehow in the payroll of Zagreb or that you actually have a Croatian partner. Vice versa.

[Nakena]

it's difficult when both sides have very different perceptions of reality.

I would say it’s more likely because both sides don’t have good faith.

Tribal conflicts are always amoral. Serbs will always have an expanded definition of Serbia and Croats will always have an expanded definition of Croatia. If you sit in the middle and try to objectively divide Serbia from Croatia while maintaining fairness you will be attacked by both.

I believe westerners have trouble accepting those things due the moral belief system. So a lot of questions revolve around "Is it moral? Should it be? is it just? Who is in the right?" and of course people then do take the moral high ground... making them believe they have the moral right to do what they do. Which then may lead to even worse results.

This is particulary strong with the "left" side currently, some argueing that neutrality (I just want to grill) is inherently unmoral.

Theres a fundamental inability to understand the other side and where they come from, quite an lack of empathy.

[Nekostan-e Gharbi]

I would say it’s more likely because both sides don’t have good faith.

Tribal conflicts are always amoral. Serbs will always have an expanded definition of Serbia and Croats will always have an expanded definition of Croatia. If you sit in the middle and try to objectively divide Serbia from Croatia while maintaining fairness you will be attacked by both.

I believe westerners have trouble accepting those things due the moral belief system. So a lot of questions revolve around "Is it moral? Should it be? is it just? Who is in the right?" and of course people then do take the moral high ground... making them believe they have the moral right to do what they do. Which then may lead to even worse results.

This is particulary strong with the "left" side currently, some argueing that neutrality (I just want to grill) is inherently unmoral.

Theres a fundamental inability to understand the other side and where they come from, quite an lack of empathy.

I actually doubt that’s the case. Otherwise Serbs, Croats and Bosniaks would not have fought the brutal Bosniak War. Muslims are also very moralistic people. That hasn’t prevented literal blood feuds between Arab tribes from existing.

The left and the right in the West are very similar to each other. That is, they agree on most issues and slightly disagree on a few. Then they keep screaming about what they disagree with.

As someone born in China I’m usually very cynical (ironically such cynicism is both a product of and perpetuates China). When the left declares neutrality to be immoral it simply means they are in power, not that such beliefs are inherent to the left. The right did the same when it was in power.

[Freiheit Reich]

One way to reduce violence would be to agree that racism is wrong and that all lives matter. Attacking a black separatist church is not cool (BLM to me means they are against other races or think of their race as superior) but the church was asking for it by placing hateful banners up. People with KKK signs would likely find the signs destroyed as well.

Again, this doesn't make it right and likely will just make the blacks at that church hate whites even more. It is sad that so many in the USA want to have a race war. We need politicians to stand up and say 'ALL LIVES MATTER' which includes black, brown, yellow, white, red, purple, blue, and green lives. This will solve many problems.

At this point, you and everyone else have been educated about the numerous reasons why the phrase "all lives matter" is bullshit, at least stop pretending that there isn't reactionary intent behind it.

I believe that all races should be treated equally and that we need a colorblind society. Liberals will call this idea racist which is more Orwellian nonsense. Imagine, being against racism makes me racist. This would be comical if people weren't losing their jobs over this. How about, 'all lives matter including black lives (ALMIBL).'

[Freiheit Reich]

One way to reduce violence would be to agree that racism is wrong and that all lives matter. Attacking a black separatist church is not cool (BLM to me means they are against other races or think of their race as superior) but the church was asking for it by placing hateful banners up. People with KKK signs would likely find the signs destroyed as well.

Again, this doesn't make it right and likely will just make the blacks at that church hate whites even more. It is sad that so many in the USA want to have a race war. We need politicians to stand up and say 'ALL LIVES MATTER' which includes black, brown, yellow, white, red, purple, blue, and green lives. This will solve many problems.

Just because you intentionally misread the message in the banner does not make destroying it right.

I agree. Just as I would support someone's right to have a Nazi or a Communist or ISIL flag on the church or home. People should have the right to be bigots if they want to be. I support property rights and free speech.

[Stylan]

I mean it’s just a banner probably made of paper or cloth, why does it matter?

Ok, so can I burn the flag?

At this point, you and everyone else have been educated about the numerous reasons why the phrase "all lives matter" is bullshit, at least stop pretending that there isn't reactionary intent behind it.

I believe that all races should be treated equally and that we need a colorblind society. Liberals will call this idea racist which is more Orwellian nonsense. Imagine, being against racism makes me racist. This would be comical if people weren't losing their jobs over this. How about, 'all lives matter including black lives (ALMIBL).'

It isn't racist to be colorblind, but you enable racism through colorblindness. For example, black men are disproportionatelly killed by police - if you can't see race, you can't see how that is an issue, because you only see people being killed by police, which limits your ability to address issues.

[Insaanistan]

At this point, you and everyone else have been educated about the numerous reasons why the phrase "all lives matter" is bullshit, at least stop pretending that there isn't reactionary intent behind it.

I believe that all races should be treated equally and that we need a colorblind society. Liberals will call this idea racist which is more Orwellian nonsense. Imagine, being against racism makes me racist. This would be comical if people weren't losing their jobs over this. How about, 'all lives matter including black lives (ALMIBL).'

The reason why we say “Black Lives Matter”, “Brown Lives Matter”, “Muslim Lives Matter”, is because our lives are the ones under attack the most. “White Lives Matter” and “All Lives Matter”, were meant to counter it. Both, especially the former, are effectively trying NOT to address the problem. If my house it on fire, and I have been denied proper access to a fire department, and I start saying “my house matters”, and you have complete access to the firemen and say “why just your house? all houses matter,” you aren’t addressing the problem. You aren’t addressing my problem. You’re just deflecting, and now my house just keeps burning. And the thing is, people have been saying “all houses are equal” for centuries, but they didn’t mean my house. And when they finally did, my house was already burning, and they didn’t try to put it out, if they did, it was one bucket they dumped on it, and that didn’t put it out. The people, my neighbors, coming over with hoses? They won’t give access to the hydrants so they can help put it out. And some of the people living in my house keep smoking and letting the butts keep it kindling. I know that. But they won’t stop giving them cigarettes. They won’t stop getting them addicted to them, so some of the people in my house keep the fire going too. My house is burning, and I can’t reach the sink or the extinguisher. My hand reaches out but I just get burned every time I try to reach for it.

[Freiheit Reich]

I mean it’s just a banner probably made of paper or cloth, why does it matter?

Ok, so can I burn the flag?

I believe that all races should be treated equally and that we need a colorblind society. Liberals will call this idea racist which is more Orwellian nonsense. Imagine, being against racism makes me racist. This would be comical if people weren't losing their jobs over this. How about, 'all lives matter including black lives (ALMIBL).'

It isn't racist to be colorblind, but you enable racism through colorblindness. For example, black men are disproportionatelly killed by police - if you can't see race, you can't see how that is an issue, because you only see people being killed by police, which limits your ability to address issues.

This is actually not true but leftists refuse to articles that dispute these claims. Racist police officers exist just as child molesting priests exist but it is a very tiny minority. the media just wants us to believe most cops and priests are bad. If BLM truly cared about blacks, why not work on reducing gang violence which kills a lot more blacks than police officers do? Why not work on reducing divorce rates so children don't live in single parent homes (possibly the biggest issue facing black youth today)?

Police Use of Deadly Force Is Not About Racism

https://townhall.com/columnists/davidwo ... t-n2577797

in 2018 there were approximately 7,400 black homicide victims, more than half of America’s total homicides, and nearly all were murdered by other blacks.

[Insaanistan]

Ok, so can I burn the flag?

It isn't racist to be colorblind, but you enable racism through colorblindness. For example, black men are disproportionatelly killed by police - if you can't see race, you can't see how that is an issue, because you only see people being killed by police, which limits your ability to address issues.

This is actually not true but leftists refuse to articles that dispute these claims. Racist police officers exist just as child molesting priests exist but it is a very tiny minority. the media just wants us to believe most cops and priests are bad. If BLM truly cared about blacks, why not work on reducing gang violence which kills a lot more blacks than police officers do? Why not work on reducing divorce rates so children don't live in single parent homes (possibly the biggest issue facing black youth today)?

Police Use of Deadly Force Is Not About Racism

https://townhall.com/columnists/davidwo ... t-n2577797

in 2018 there were approximately 7,400 black homicide victims, more than half of America’s total homicides, and nearly all were murdered by other blacks.

There actually is racism within the police force, but disregarding that, black people and BLM supporters have actually been attempting to curb gang violence etc in our communities.
Part of the reason black kids are growing up in single parent homes is the fathers keep getting shot or imprisoned for crimes white people get slaps on the wrist for or for crimes they didn’t even commit. Black on black crime is about the same rate as white on white crime and the thing is, black on black crime makes more sense, because black people are more likely to be poor, as statistically, we’re more likely to be paid less than white people for the same job and same work. Poor people are more likely to turn to crime and more likely to be involved in violent crime. A lot of it is things like robbery, because when you do have money for food you’re more likely to try and rob and kill someone who does.

[Freiheit Reich]

I believe that all races should be treated equally and that we need a colorblind society. Liberals will call this idea racist which is more Orwellian nonsense. Imagine, being against racism makes me racist. This would be comical if people weren't losing their jobs over this. How about, 'all lives matter including black lives (ALMIBL).'

The reason why we say “Black Lives Matter”, “Brown Lives Matter”, “Muslim Lives Matter”, is because our lives are the ones under attack the most. “White Lives Matter” and “All Lives Matter”, were meant to counter it. Both, especially the former, are effectively trying NOT to address the problem. If my house it on fire, and I have been denied proper access to a fire department, and I start saying “my house matters”, and you have complete access to the firemen and say “why just your house? all houses matter,” you aren’t addressing the problem. You aren’t addressing my problem. You’re just deflecting, and now my house just keeps burning. And the thing is, people have been saying “all houses are equal” for centuries, but they didn’t mean my house. And when they finally did, my house was already burning, and they didn’t try to put it out, if they did, it was one bucket they dumped on it, and that didn’t put it out. The people, my neighbors, coming over with hoses? They won’t give access to the hydrants so they can help put it out. And some of the people living in my house keep smoking and letting the butts keep it kindling. I know that. But they won’t stop giving them cigarettes. They won’t stop getting them addicted to them, so some of the people in my house keep the fire going too. My house is burning, and I can’t reach the sink or the extinguisher. My hand reaches out but I just get burned every time I try to reach for it.

I agree some police officers are corrupt and go too far and they deserve to be punished. However, many whites have been killed by the police and some of these whites were unarmed, but nobody rioted or protested in their name because they didn't have the right skin color so it was fine with people that the police killed them.

Face facts: ‘Black Lives Matter’ is all about hate

https://nypost.com/2020/09/24/face-fact ... bout-hate/

Phoenix Police Shot and Killed a White Man In May. Have You Heard About It?

https://townhall.com/columnists/marinam ... t-n2574088

Top 10 Reasons I Won't Support the #BlackLivesMatter Movement

https://townhall.com/columnists/ryanbom ... m-n2570105

Police Killed An Unarmed White Man In Iowa And His Community Didn’t Seem To Notice (I give rare credit to this liberal rag for actually reporting this):

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/ryan-bol ... _n_7560874

[Insaanistan]

The reason why we say “Black Lives Matter”, “Brown Lives Matter”, “Muslim Lives Matter”, is because our lives are the ones under attack the most. “White Lives Matter” and “All Lives Matter”, were meant to counter it. Both, especially the former, are effectively trying NOT to address the problem. If my house it on fire, and I have been denied proper access to a fire department, and I start saying “my house matters”, and you have complete access to the firemen and say “why just your house? all houses matter,” you aren’t addressing the problem. You aren’t addressing my problem. You’re just deflecting, and now my house just keeps burning. And the thing is, people have been saying “all houses are equal” for centuries, but they didn’t mean my house. And when they finally did, my house was already burning, and they didn’t try to put it out, if they did, it was one bucket they dumped on it, and that didn’t put it out. The people, my neighbors, coming over with hoses? They won’t give access to the hydrants so they can help put it out. And some of the people living in my house keep smoking and letting the butts keep it kindling. I know that. But they won’t stop giving them cigarettes. They won’t stop getting them addicted to them, so some of the people in my house keep the fire going too. My house is burning, and I can’t reach the sink or the extinguisher. My hand reaches out but I just get burned every time I try to reach for it.

I agree some police officers are corrupt and go too far and they deserve to be punished. However, many whites have been killed by the police and some of these whites were unarmed, but nobody rioted or protested in their name because they didn't have the right skin color so it was fine with people that the police killed them.

Face facts: ‘Black Lives Matter’ is all about hate

https://nypost.com/2020/09/24/face-fact ... bout-hate/

Phoenix Police Shot and Killed a White Man In May. Have You Heard About It?

https://townhall.com/columnists/marinam ... t-n2574088

Top 10 Reasons I Won't Support the #BlackLivesMatter Movement

https://townhall.com/columnists/ryanbom ... m-n2570105

Police Killed An Unarmed White Man In Iowa And His Community Didn’t Seem To Notice (I give rare credit to this liberal rag for actually reporting this):

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/ryan-bol ... _n_7560874

I agree that not all cops are racist. But it’s an institutionalized problem in the police force of bias against black people. Stereotyping that a black man in a hoodie must be a criminal. Black Lives Matter isn’t about hate even though some of its members are.
The reason police violence against white people isn’t as widely reported on is that while it’s tragic, it’s simply not as common as police killings of black people. One in every 1000 black males will be shot by the police. In fact, a black man is shot by police every 28 hours. You have things like the 1994 Crime Bill not meant to target black people but that ended up doing so, then you have New York’s stop and frisk that was meant to disadvantage black people, and it did.

[Esheaun Stroakuss]

ACAB is much catchier than The Institution of Police Is a Bastard (TIOPIAB)

[Vassenor]

Ok, so can I burn the flag?

It isn't racist to be colorblind, but you enable racism through colorblindness. For example, black men are disproportionatelly killed by police - if you can't see race, you can't see how that is an issue, because you only see people being killed by police, which limits your ability to address issues.

This is actually not true but leftists refuse to articles that dispute these claims. Racist police officers exist just as child molesting priests exist but it is a very tiny minority. the media just wants us to believe most cops and priests are bad. If BLM truly cared about blacks, why not work on reducing gang violence which kills a lot more blacks than police officers do? Why not work on reducing divorce rates so children don't live in single parent homes (possibly the biggest issue facing black youth today)?

Police Use of Deadly Force Is Not About Racism

https://townhall.com/columnists/davidwo ... t-n2577797

in 2018 there were approximately 7,400 black homicide victims, more than half of America’s total homicides, and nearly all were murdered by other blacks.

And there we go with the BUT WHAT ABOUT THE BLACK ON BLACK CRIME deflection. Everybody drink.

[Vassenor]

The reason why we say “Black Lives Matter”, “Brown Lives Matter”, “Muslim Lives Matter”, is because our lives are the ones under attack the most. “White Lives Matter” and “All Lives Matter”, were meant to counter it. Both, especially the former, are effectively trying NOT to address the problem. If my house it on fire, and I have been denied proper access to a fire department, and I start saying “my house matters”, and you have complete access to the firemen and say “why just your house? all houses matter,” you aren’t addressing the problem. You aren’t addressing my problem. You’re just deflecting, and now my house just keeps burning. And the thing is, people have been saying “all houses are equal” for centuries, but they didn’t mean my house. And when they finally did, my house was already burning, and they didn’t try to put it out, if they did, it was one bucket they dumped on it, and that didn’t put it out. The people, my neighbors, coming over with hoses? They won’t give access to the hydrants so they can help put it out. And some of the people living in my house keep smoking and letting the butts keep it kindling. I know that. But they won’t stop giving them cigarettes. They won’t stop getting them addicted to them, so some of the people in my house keep the fire going too. My house is burning, and I can’t reach the sink or the extinguisher. My hand reaches out but I just get burned every time I try to reach for it.

I agree some police officers are corrupt and go too far and they deserve to be punished. However, many whites have been killed by the police and some of these whites were unarmed, but nobody rioted or protested in their name because they didn't have the right skin color so it was fine with people that the police killed them.

Face facts: ‘Black Lives Matter’ is all about hate

https://nypost.com/2020/09/24/face-fact ... bout-hate/

Phoenix Police Shot and Killed a White Man In May. Have You Heard About It?

https://townhall.com/columnists/marinam ... t-n2574088

Top 10 Reasons I Won't Support the #BlackLivesMatter Movement

https://townhall.com/columnists/ryanbom ... m-n2570105

Police Killed An Unarmed White Man In Iowa And His Community Didn’t Seem To Notice (I give rare credit to this liberal rag for actually reporting this):

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/ryan-bol ... _n_7560874

I find it interesting that your takeaway from "police kill white people too" isn't "that means we need to come together to reform the police into something less violent" but was instead "so shut up and stop whining".

[Esheaun Stroakuss]

Ok, so can I burn the flag?

It isn't racist to be colorblind, but you enable racism through colorblindness. For example, black men are disproportionatelly killed by police - if you can't see race, you can't see how that is an issue, because you only see people being killed by police, which limits your ability to address issues.

This is actually not true but leftists refuse to articles that dispute these claims. Racist police officers exist just as child molesting priests exist but it is a very tiny minority. the media just wants us to believe most cops and priests are bad. If BLM truly cared about blacks, why not work on reducing gang violence which kills a lot more blacks than police officers do? Why not work on reducing divorce rates so children don't live in single parent homes (possibly the biggest issue facing black youth today)?

Police Use of Deadly Force Is Not About Racism

https://townhall.com/columnists/davidwo ... t-n2577797

in 2018 there were approximately 7,400 black homicide victims, more than half of America’s total homicides, and nearly all were murdered by other blacks.

Crime in general is an issue most rational people do not dispute. The murder of black people by cops is a pressing one, a major one, because of how disproportionately targetted they are.

The "black on black" diversion is old hat. Try something new.

[Kowani]

The reason why we say “Black Lives Matter”, “Brown Lives Matter”, “Muslim Lives Matter”, is because our lives are the ones under attack the most. “White Lives Matter” and “All Lives Matter”, were meant to counter it. Both, especially the former, are effectively trying NOT to address the problem. If my house it on fire, and I have been denied proper access to a fire department, and I start saying “my house matters”, and you have complete access to the firemen and say “why just your house? all houses matter,” you aren’t addressing the problem. You aren’t addressing my problem. You’re just deflecting, and now my house just keeps burning. And the thing is, people have been saying “all houses are equal” for centuries, but they didn’t mean my house. And when they finally did, my house was already burning, and they didn’t try to put it out, if they did, it was one bucket they dumped on it, and that didn’t put it out. The people, my neighbors, coming over with hoses? They won’t give access to the hydrants so they can help put it out. And some of the people living in my house keep smoking and letting the butts keep it kindling. I know that. But they won’t stop giving them cigarettes. They won’t stop getting them addicted to them, so some of the people in my house keep the fire going too. My house is burning, and I can’t reach the sink or the extinguisher. My hand reaches out but I just get burned every time I try to reach for it.

I agree some police officers are corrupt and go too far and they deserve to be punished. However, many whites have been killed by the police and some of these whites were unarmed, but nobody rioted or protested in their name because they didn't have the right skin color so it was fine with people that the police killed them.

Face facts: ‘Black Lives Matter’ is all about hate

https://nypost.com/2020/09/24/face-fact ... bout-hate/

Phoenix Police Shot and Killed a White Man In May. Have You Heard About It?

https://townhall.com/columnists/marinam ... t-n2574088

Top 10 Reasons I Won't Support the #BlackLivesMatter Movement

https://townhall.com/columnists/ryanbom ... m-n2570105

Police Killed An Unarmed White Man In Iowa And His Community Didn’t Seem To Notice (I give rare credit to this liberal rag for actually reporting this):

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/ryan-bol ... _n_7560874

Oh hey look: BLM protesting on behalf of white people killed by police
Strange how that works.

[Rusozak]

I mean it’s just a banner probably made of paper or cloth, why does it matter?

Ok, so can I burn the flag?

Damn, beat me to it.

[Insaanistan]

Ok, so can I burn the flag?

Damn, beat me to it.

I would have said that, but I do want the FBI to show up to my house for “supporting the Iranian regime”.

[Nekostan-e Gharbi]

I think at this point we need to conclude that it is necessary for black majority cities to have more autonomy. We can’t actually figure out what they really want which is precisely evidence that they are a free people who need self-rule and can not be ruled by a bureaucracy. Free people are what democracy really needs and only free people can sustain a democracy. Both African Americans and many rural whites are free people and let’s allow them to continue to be free.

Are European laws really appropriate for Africans? Maybe the answer is actually “false”. Given that West Europeans are more domesticated than all peoples other than Ashkenazi Jews and Northeast Asians applying criminal code fit for West Europeans to Africans can indeed be unusually harsh. Maybe laws such as those that criminalize battery that does not cause death or permanent injury should indeed be repealed in these areas and they should decide for themselves whether they want policing of any kind and if so who get to be the police and how policing is done.

[Vassenor]

I think at this point we need to conclude that it is necessary for black majority cities to have more autonomy. We can’t actually figure out what they really want which is precisely evidence that they are a free people who need self-rule and can not be ruled by a bureaucracy. Free people are what democracy really needs and only free people can sustain a democracy. Both African Americans and many rural whites are free people and let’s allow them to continue to be free.

Are European laws really appropriate for Africans? Maybe the answer is actually “false”. Given that West Europeans are more domesticated than all peoples other than Ashkenazi Jews and Northeast Asians applying criminal code fit for West Europeans to Africans can indeed be unusually harsh. Maybe laws such as those that criminalize battery that does not cause death or permanent injury should indeed be repealed in these areas and they should decide for themselves whether they want policing of any kind and if so who get to be the police and how policing is done.

...the fuck?