Vandals Hit Black Churches During Weekend Pro-Trump Rallies

[Awesomeland]

Nope. We have video.
The BLM guy was clearly acting in self defense.
He was outnumbered, and only brandished the knife after he was shoved, at which point he tried to walk away. The crowd chased him as he was walking away, pulled down his mask over his face and punched him in the face, at which point they began beating on him. The knife wasn't used until that point.

Well, if this is true, then I wish him luck in avoiding any legal trouble for having defended himself from violent hooligans.

[Rusozak]

Nope. We have video.
The BLM guy was clearly acting in self defense.
He was outnumbered, and only brandished the knife after he was shoved, at which point he tried to walk away. The crowd chased him as he was walking away, pulled down his mask over his face and punched him in the face, at which point they began beating on him. The knife wasn't used until that point.

Well, if this is true, then I wish him luck in avoiding any legal trouble for having defended himself from violent hooligans.

Now we wait for those people that dished out cash for Rittenhouse's legal defense that was clearly for a nonpartisan interest in justice and not anything else to help this guy.

[Salus Maior]

Nope. We have video.
The BLM guy was clearly acting in self defense.
He was outnumbered, and only brandished the knife after he was shoved, at which point he tried to walk away. The crowd chased him as he was walking away, pulled down his mask over his face and punched him in the face, at which point they began beating on him. The knife wasn't used until that point.

Clearly, Kowani, the fact that this guy went to a protest with a weapon meant that he was looking to kill some Proudboys. Couldn't have been reasonable self defense.

Disclaimer; Not actually what I think.

[Alcala-Cordel]

Nope. We have video.
The BLM guy was clearly acting in self defense.
He was outnumbered, and only brandished the knife after he was shoved, at which point he tried to walk away. The crowd chased him as he was walking away, pulled down his mask over his face and punched him in the face, at which point they began beating on him. The knife wasn't used until that point.

Clearly, Kowani, the fact that this guy went to a protest with a weapon meant that he was looking to kill some Proudboys.

Disclaimer; Not actually what I think.

Probably not, considering it was a knife and not a massive rifle.

[Kowani]

Nope. We have video.
The BLM guy was clearly acting in self defense.
He was outnumbered, and only brandished the knife after he was shoved, at which point he tried to walk away. The crowd chased him as he was walking away, pulled down his mask over his face and punched him in the face, at which point they began beating on him. The knife wasn't used until that point.

Clearly, Kowani, the fact that this guy went to a protest with a weapon meant that he was looking to kill some Proudboys. Couldn't have been reasonable self defense.

Disclaimer; Not actually what I think.

something something hypocrisy on both sides blah blah screed against partisanship and division+ snarky comment about the media

[Salus Maior]

Clearly, Kowani, the fact that this guy went to a protest with a weapon meant that he was looking to kill some Proudboys.

Disclaimer; Not actually what I think.

Probably not, considering it was a knife and not a massive rifle.

A lethal weapon is a lethal weapon.

[Kexholm Karelia]

Nope. We have video.
The BLM guy was clearly acting in self defense.
He was outnumbered, and only brandished the knife after he was shoved, at which point he tried to walk away. The crowd chased him as he was walking away, pulled down his mask over his face and punched him in the face, at which point they began beating on him. The knife wasn't used until that point.

Well, if this is true, then I wish him luck in avoiding any legal trouble for having defended himself from violent hooligans.

Agreed, this is like Kyle Rittenhouse

[Salus Maior]

Clearly, Kowani, the fact that this guy went to a protest with a weapon meant that he was looking to kill some Proudboys. Couldn't have been reasonable self defense.

Disclaimer; Not actually what I think.

something something hypocrisy on both sides blah blah screed against partisanship and division+ snarky comment about the media

For real, though, I'm certain that people sympathetic to the right-wing protesters will start actually saying that and looking to put this guy in prison for defending himself.

Don't you love when the political zeitgeist colors the justice system?

[Salus Maior]

For real, though, having watched the video just now there are certainly a lot of parallels between this guy and the Rittenhouse fiasco.

In this particular scenario though, I wonder if he would have been able to slip out of the heated area if that one lady didn't try to pull off his mask. Why even do that?

[The Emerald Legion]

You don't see much rebellion in Singapore. There are three different ethnic groups there and they are not attacking each other's places of worship. The Singapore government knows how to handle citizens that choose to be troublemakers.

Geez, you sound like Tarkin explaining how the Death Star will end all rebellion.

I mean, had it not been literally immediately blown up after it's first use. Sure it would have. Largely because Star Wars society makes no goddamn sense.

[Kowani]

something something hypocrisy on both sides blah blah screed against partisanship and division+ snarky comment about the media

For real, though, I'm certain that people sympathetic to the right-wing protesters will start actually saying that and looking to put this guy in prison for defending himself.

Don't you love when the political zeitgeist colors the justice system?

Always a good sign for the Heath of the country

[The Emerald Legion]

Aside from this incident being seemingly unrelated to the first, it tells us absolutely nothing about the circumstances of the stabbing. But I did some additional digging:

https://heavy.com/news/phillip-johnson- ... stabbings/

It seems that at least two of the people who were stabbed were actually Proud Boys. The affiliation of the suspected stabber is not known. Regardless, it does not seem like anyone involved was some kind of innocent victim. This was clearly a clash between two rival groups of protestors/counter-protestors, not an example of a spontaneous outbreak of violence directed against innocent bystanders.

Nope. We have video.
The BLM guy was clearly acting in self defense.
He was outnumbered, and only brandished the knife after he was shoved, at which point he tried to walk away. The crowd chased him as he was walking away, pulled down his mask over his face and punched him in the face, at which point they began beating on him. The knife wasn't used until that point.

Because the legacy media tried to pretend the stabbings and the sign burnings happened at the same time.

well
they would be objectively correct
same time frame, i guess if you want to be pedantic, but it's a singular event.

... They happened on two separate days at two different locations. One was at a coffee shop, the other other a church. One was saturday, the other sunday.

[Kowani]

Nope. We have video.
The BLM guy was clearly acting in self defense.
He was outnumbered, and only brandished the knife after he was shoved, at which point he tried to walk away. The crowd chased him as he was walking away, pulled down his mask over his face and punched him in the face, at which point they began beating on him. The knife wasn't used until that point.



well
they would be objectively correct
same time frame, i guess if you want to be pedantic, but it's a singular event.

... They happened on two separate days at two different locations. One was at a coffee shop, the other other a church. One was saturday, the other sunday.

…Which stabbing are you talking about? Afaik , there were two separate ones, with the perpetrators being on each side

[Nekostan-e Gharbi]

Both sides need to stop. This is simply insanity. I think both need to be investigated for connections to China and Russia.

[Salus Maior]

Both sides need to stop. This is simply insanity. I think both need to be investigated for connections to China and Russia.

People can be angry and stupid without being tied to foreign entities, my guy.

[Nekostan-e Gharbi]

Both sides need to stop. This is simply insanity. I think both need to be investigated for connections to China and Russia.

People can be angry and stupid without being tied to foreign entities, my guy.

Yes, they of course can. However China and Russia are likely funding both sides. That’s the real problem here.

[Greed and Death]

I am getting conflicting reports ? Did they just steal the banner and burn it or was there more serious damage ?

Nope. That's it.

So this is a larger over reaction than the small fire in the basement of the church of the President's during BLM march in DC ?

[The Three Palins]

Clearly, Kowani, the fact that this guy went to a protest with a weapon meant that he was looking to kill some Proudboys.

Disclaimer; Not actually what I think.

Probably not, considering it was a knife and not a massive rifle.

"Massive" being important in that distinction. Gun rights people make no distinction between a gun carried (mostly) in secret, and one slung over a person's shoulder so that oncomers see their face, and a gun, almost simultaneously. Because to them, the sight of a gun is not a cause for fear.

To any rational person, the sight of a gun in the possession of a civilian who they don't know personally, IS a cause for fear. Their chances of being shot in the next few minutes just went up astronomically!

But no, we should all get used to it. Higher chance of getting shot still isn't all that high, and also they wouldn't be a criminal if they were openly displaying their gun, would they. We should all carry guns in plain sight, then people would realize it isn't really that great a risk to them. Just a bit dangerous. Maybe double, something thereabouts. /s

[Loben III]

Clearly, Kowani, the fact that this guy went to a protest with a weapon meant that he was looking to kill some Proudboys.

Disclaimer; Not actually what I think.

Probably not, considering it was a knife and not a massive rifle.

The AR-15 used by rittenhouse is not massive, at all.

[The Two Jerseys]

Probably not, considering it was a knife and not a massive rifle.

The AR-15 used by rittenhouse is not massive, at all.

But it's heavier than 10 boxes, some politician told me so!

[Loben III]

The AR-15 used by rittenhouse is not massive, at all.

But it's heavier than 10 boxes, some politician told me so!

And is like a bazooka, apparently.

[The Emerald Legion]

Probably not, considering it was a knife and not a massive rifle.

"Massive" being important in that distinction. Gun rights people make no distinction between a gun carried (mostly) in secret, and one slung over a person's shoulder so that oncomers see their face, and a gun, almost simultaneously. Because to them, the sight of a gun is not a cause for fear.

To any rational person, the sight of a gun in the possession of a civilian who they don't know personally, IS a cause for fear. Their chances of being shot in the next few minutes just went up astronomically!

But no, we should all get used to it. Higher chance of getting shot still isn't all that high, and also they wouldn't be a criminal if they were openly displaying their gun, would they. We should all carry guns in plain sight, then people would realize it isn't really that great a risk to them. Just a bit dangerous. Maybe double, something thereabouts. /s

Do you just go around assuming anyone with a weapon wants to kill you and anyone who doesn't have a weapon doesn't?

After all, that they could attack you is true whether they have a gun or not. If they're openly carrying the gun, you know they have it. As opposed to concealed where you think their unarmed until there's a hole in you. And even an unarmed person can fairly easily kill you if they were truly determined to do so. We are surrounded by a plethora of potential weapons on a daily basis.

[Galloism]

Yeah that’s true, context matters, like what happened with Kyle Rittenhouse when it turns out the antifa people were about to beat him up

Context does matter in the case of Kyle Rittenhouse. He drove to another state with a firearm he wasn't legally supposed to have to go after antifascists.

They would’ve killed him tbh.

Doubtful, the only killer there was him.

Vandalized by tearing down banners.

And people were stabbed as well.

Several falsehoods here and one uncertainty that’s been known for months.

1) He didn’t drive to Kenosha with the firearm. Firearm was already in Kenosha. Illinois police confirmed like two months ago. This false narrative persists in spite of the evidence.
2) Didn’t even drive to Kenosha that day - had stayed the previous night with a friend to do whatever friends do. Mother confirmed a couple weeks ago.
3) The gun may or may not have been illegal for him to have. Wisconsin law is terribly unclear and badly written.
4) Even if it was, it’s a class A misdemeanor.
5) Even if he was committing a class A misdemeanor, that’s probably not a “crime likely to provoke”, and thus it doesn’t abrogate self defense.
6) Even if you somehow, against all logic, wrangled it was a crime likely to provoke, he fled the confrontation (and I do mean the first one) and communicated intent to retreat, thus he would have regained self defense under Wisconsin law anyway.

[Galloism]

Probably not, considering it was a knife and not a massive rifle.

"Massive" being important in that distinction. Gun rights people make no distinction between a gun carried (mostly) in secret, and one slung over a person's shoulder so that oncomers see their face, and a gun, almost simultaneously. Because to them, the sight of a gun is not a cause for fear.

To any rational person, the sight of a gun in the possession of a civilian who they don't know personally, IS a cause for fear. Their chances of being shot in the next few minutes just went up astronomically!

But no, we should all get used to it. Higher chance of getting shot still isn't all that high, and also they wouldn't be a criminal if they were openly displaying their gun, would they. We should all carry guns in plain sight, then people would realize it isn't really that great a risk to them. Just a bit dangerous. Maybe double, something thereabouts. /s

I assume this is a cultural thing. Tbh I’d be more concerned with someone walking around with a baseball bat or a chain than a rifle. A person with a rifle has likely passed a background check and is probably allowed to open carry in public.

A person with a bat or chain hasn’t, and likely as a result, people are more likely to be killed by blunt instruments (all kinds) than rifles (all kinds).

[Joohan]

The title made me think that some churches had actually been burned down or ransacked - but just some banners being torn down?

Look, was it cool what they did, nah, but I wouldnt compare it to the summer we just had that literally burned whole neighborhoods to the ground and killed over 20 people. If some banners being torn down and burned was the extent of our political violence I would be extremely pleased.