Vandals Hit Black Churches During Weekend Pro-Trump Rallies

[Kexholm Karelia]

bruh reading through this page made me lose like 10 brain cells. This is seriously the most idiotic and hypocritical thing I've seen, rightists defending this sort of violence. I need to go take a break.

No one is defending it, we’re asking for the context in which it happened and if the hospitalizations OP mentioned were related to this event

[Salus Maior]

Context does matter in the case of Kyle Rittenhouse. He drove to another state with a firearm he wasn't legally supposed to have to go after antifascists.

Doubtful, the only killer there was him.

And people were stabbed as well.

But because they were all Antifa Supersoldiers then he cannot be held responsible for his actions because property is more important and valuable than human lives.

Even the prosecution at this point doesn't even believe that Rittenhouse was there to murder people. Because that's not at all evident.

Let's give it a break.

Context does matter in the case of Kyle Rittenhouse. He drove to another state with a firearm he wasn't legally supposed to have to go after antifascists.

Not actually true, or evident. Again.

[Kowani]

So there are many problems with your overall stance.... But you do have a singular point.

It was wrong to pull the Banners down, it was worse still to burn them.

That being said Cordel, you're comparing burning two banners with burning millions of dollars in cars, buildings, and property. That you do is unsurprising, because communists inherently devalue property because their entire belief system collapses the moment they recognize objects have value beyond the labor used to create them.

It is in no way comparable, though still a crime.

Though I find it amusing that the left admits NOW that violence is intimidating. After, y'know. Literally four plus years of claiming it's just ordinary freedom of expression to wander down the street burning cars, smashing windows, and torching businesses. Or attacking their political opponents in the street. Or trying to assassinate them.

But no it's a BLM banner now so it's important.

This. Proud Boys doing stupid shit deserves condemnation and legal action being taken against them. But vandalizing BLM signs and banners isn't nearly on the same level as completely destroying someone's livelihood. They didn't burn the entire church down or completely loot and ransack the interior.

Nah. They just beat people, shot others, and launched explosives at people.
Much worse.

Suddenly these leftists want lAw aNd oRdEr when the Right burns one of their signs down? Antifa/BLM has been doing this violent shit x100 over for months while their critics got shut down as racists and authoritarian apologists. Freedom for me but not for thee and all that shit.

Well, no. Most of the protests were, in fact, peaceful, the media just disproportionately focused on the stuff that wasn't.

It's not even entirely clear the black church was specifically singled out for being black rather than for its pro-BLM message. After all, BLM is politically opposed to the Proud Boys. It's only natural for them to illegally "express themselves" by destroying the signs of their political opponents.

You know, with just one google search,the first three churches that come up when you search "churches in DC" all support black lives matter. Even for kids. Yet none of them were attacked. Curious.

This was a political hate crime, not a racist hate crime until or unless further details emerge proving otherwise.

The two are not mutually exclusive.

Need I remind everyone that the group's leader is a black Cuban from Miami and the Proud Boys are a multiracial street gang.

This has very quickly been proven a smokescreen for the actual racists within the movement.

It's not like Trump supporters haven't vandalized the signs of white Biden/BLM supporters, have they? Racist double standard, much? Those activists accusing Mayor Bowser of not doing enough to put a stop to the kind of violence that they don't like? Hypocrites.

This is nonsensical.

[The Two Jerseys]

They pulled down a couple banners and set them on fire.

Clearly this is on the same level of violence as burning down a Burger King and looting a Target.

[Kowani]

They pulled down a couple banners and set them on fire.

Clearly this is on the same level of violence as burning down a Burger King and looting a Target.

nah.
everything else they did was worse


why the fuck cordel chose to focus on the property damage, i don't know

[Salus Maior]

They pulled down a couple banners and set them on fire.

Still a pretty shitty thing to do, and pretty obviously racist.

That being said, I like how the church is handling it. They seem to recognize that this isn't the worst thing that could have happened.

[Vassenor]

So there are many problems with your overall stance.... But you do have a singular point.

It was wrong to pull the Banners down, it was worse still to burn them.

That being said Cordel, you're comparing burning two banners with burning millions of dollars in cars, buildings, and property. That you do is unsurprising, because communists inherently devalue property because their entire belief system collapses the moment they recognize objects have value beyond the labor used to create them.

It is in no way comparable, though still a crime.

Though I find it amusing that the left admits NOW that violence is intimidating. After, y'know. Literally four plus years of claiming it's just ordinary freedom of expression to wander down the street burning cars, smashing windows, and torching businesses. Or attacking their political opponents in the street. Or trying to assassinate them.

But no it's a BLM banner now so it's important.

This. Proud Boys doing stupid shit deserves condemnation and legal action being taken against them. But vandalizing BLM signs and banners isn't nearly on the same level as completely destroying someone's livelihood. They didn't burn the entire church down or completely loot and ransack the interior. Suddenly these leftists want lAw aNd oRdEr when the Right burns one of their signs down? Antifa/BLM has been doing this violent shit x100 over for months while their critics got shut down as racists and authoritarian apologists. Freedom for me but not for thee and all that shit.

The OP complaining about sacred BLM banners being desecrated reminds me of when IM complained about protesters in HK tearing down and desecrating his beloved Chinese national flag and applauding the violent police crackdown and arrests made against them. It reminds me of how millions of Muslims all over the world protest the desecration of a certain book or prophet on the other side of the world. All this over a mere symbol.

It's not even entirely clear the black church was specifically singled out for being black rather than for its pro-BLM message. After all, BLM is politically opposed to the Proud Boys. It's only natural for them to illegally "express themselves" by destroying the signs of their political opponents. This was a political hate crime, not a racist hate crime until or unless further details emerge proving otherwise. Need I remind everyone that the group's leader is a black Cuban from Miami and the Proud Boys are a multiracial street gang. It's not like Trump supporters haven't vandalized the signs of white Biden/BLM supporters, have they? Racist double standard, much? Those activists accusing Mayor Bowser of not doing enough to put a stop to the kind of violence that they don't like? Hypocrites.

Is this another screed where if I were to take it, change every reference to BLM to Hong Kong and repost it, you'd be absolutely apoplectic?

[The Two Jerseys]

They pulled down a couple banners and set them on fire.

Still a pretty shitty thing to do, and pretty obviously racist.

That being said, I like how the church is handling it. They seem to recognize that this isn't the worst thing that could have happened.

It is a shitty thing to do.

Still doesn't make this thread not a bad attempt at whataboutism.

[Awesomeland]

"Four men were stabbed around 10 p.m. after a fight downtown, police said. At least one suspect, 29 year-old Phillip Johnson of Washington, was arrested on a charge of assault with a dangerous weapon. A police report obtained by The Associated Press said at least one of the victims identified Johnson as the person who stabbed him."

Aside from this incident being seemingly unrelated to the first, it tells us absolutely nothing about the circumstances of the stabbing. But I did some additional digging:

https://heavy.com/news/phillip-johnson- ... stabbings/

It seems that at least two of the people who were stabbed were actually Proud Boys. The affiliation of the suspected stabber is not known. Regardless, it does not seem like anyone involved was some kind of innocent victim. This was clearly a clash between two rival groups of protestors/counter-protestors, not an example of a spontaneous outbreak of violence directed against innocent bystanders.

The motivation the original article had for omitting any mention of who was stabbed and why is not clear, but it is obvious on further digging that this was not some kind of one-sided act as in the banner vandalism, but a heated clash between two rival groups.

Still a pretty shitty thing to do, and pretty obviously racist.

Shitty thing to do, yes. It's still vandalism. Rather petty vandalism, but still. Racist...that is less clear. BLM is somewhat of an umbrella group that includes a number of causes not specifically relating to race. Viewed more neutrally, they vandalized the symbol of an opposing political group. It's vandalism, it is possible that some involved may have had racial motives, but this is far from a slam-dunk obvious assertion. Just as not everyone opposed to Antifa is necessarily a fascist, not everyone opposed to what BLM has become is necessarily a racist.

This was a political hate crime, not a racist hate crime until or unless further details emerge proving otherwise.

I wouldn't even stretch so far as to call it a "hate" crime, given how confined in scope it was. When a rioting sports team supporter vandalizes the banners and symbols of the rival sports team, they don't HATE the other team, it's just a particularly passionate display of vandalism.

[Intaglio]

Sad, but not surprising from the rabid Trumpians. All the more reason Trump should just concede a;ready and try to shut these people down, but of course, he's not responsible enough for that.

[Romextly]

Sad, but not surprising from the rabid Trumpians. All the more reason Trump should just concede a;ready and try to shut these people down, but of course, he's not responsible enough for that.

I mean, now it's official that Biden is the president-elect. So yeah, he should

[Intaglio]

https://twitter.com/MetropolitanAME/sta ... 9813965826

I wasn't aware that Jesus aproves of race division, but then it *is* a "black" church. It seems like churches on both the left and the right of American politics are perverting Jesus' message for their own gain.

What are you going on about?

[Salus Maior]

https://twitter.com/MetropolitanAME/sta ... 9813965826

I wasn't aware that Jesus aproves of race division, but then it *is* a "black" church. It seems like churches on both the left and the right of American politics are perverting Jesus' message for their own gain.

He doesn't.

Churches like these popped up because white people kicked black people out of their congregations.

[The Emerald Legion]

They pulled down a couple banners and set them on fire.

Clearly this is on the same level of violence as burning down a Burger King and looting a Target.

nah.
everything else they did was worse


why the fuck cordel chose to focus on the property damage, i don't know

Because the legacy media tried to pretend the stabbings and the sign burnings happened at the same time.

[Freiheit Reich]

This is why we need caning like what Singapore does. Catch them, cane them, and make them work in a labor camp for a few months to teach people to behave better.

[Kexholm Karelia]

This is why we need caning like what Singapore does. Catch them, cane them, and make them work in a labor camp for a few months to teach people to behave better.

Lol no

[Nekostan-e Gharbi]

This is why we need caning like what Singapore does. Catch them, cane them, and make them work in a labor camp for a few months to teach people to behave better.

Sinostatism is always the worst cure of any disease. I would rather somehow trick violent extremists of any kind to handle their own problems like yakuzas as long as no civilians, defined as anyone other than these people or organized crime, get harmed.

[Atheris]

This is why we need caning like what Singapore does. Catch them, cane them, and make them work in a labor camp for a few months to teach people to behave better.

Hahahahahahahah.

[Romextly]

This is why we need caning like what Singapore does. Catch them, cane them, and make them work in a labor camp for a few months to teach people to behave better.

This is a joke right?

[A Thousand Islands]

This is why we need caning like what Singapore does. Catch them, cane them, and make them work in a labor camp for a few months to teach people to behave better.

That's a little much

[Northern Socialist Council Republics]

This is why we need caning like what Singapore does. Catch them, cane them, and make them work in a labor camp for a few months to teach people to behave better.

In order to solve violence, we just need to apply more violence.

Because that’s a solution that has never backfired on anyone that tried it throughout human history.

Clearly.

[/sarcasm]

[Kowani]

"Four men were stabbed around 10 p.m. after a fight downtown, police said. At least one suspect, 29 year-old Phillip Johnson of Washington, was arrested on a charge of assault with a dangerous weapon. A police report obtained by The Associated Press said at least one of the victims identified Johnson as the person who stabbed him."

Aside from this incident being seemingly unrelated to the first, it tells us absolutely nothing about the circumstances of the stabbing. But I did some additional digging:

https://heavy.com/news/phillip-johnson- ... stabbings/

It seems that at least two of the people who were stabbed were actually Proud Boys. The affiliation of the suspected stabber is not known. Regardless, it does not seem like anyone involved was some kind of innocent victim. This was clearly a clash between two rival groups of protestors/counter-protestors, not an example of a spontaneous outbreak of violence directed against innocent bystanders.

Nope. We have video.
The BLM guy was clearly acting in self defense.
He was outnumbered, and only brandished the knife after he was shoved, at which point he tried to walk away. The crowd chased him as he was walking away, pulled down his mask over his face and punched him in the face, at which point they began beating on him. The knife wasn't used until that point.

nah.
everything else they did was worse


why the fuck cordel chose to focus on the property damage, i don't know

Because the legacy media tried to pretend the stabbings and the sign burnings happened at the same time.

well
they would be objectively correct
same time frame, i guess if you want to be pedantic, but it's a singular event.

[Freiheit Reich]

This is why we need caning like what Singapore does. Catch them, cane them, and make them work in a labor camp for a few months to teach people to behave better.

In order to solve violence, we just need to apply more violence.

Because that’s a solution that has never backfired on anyone that tried it throughout human history.

Clearly.

[/sarcasm]

You don't see much rebellion in Singapore. There are three different ethnic groups there and they are not attacking each other's places of worship. The Singapore government knows how to handle citizens that choose to be troublemakers.

[Rusozak]

In order to solve violence, we just need to apply more violence.

Because that’s a solution that has never backfired on anyone that tried it throughout human history.

Clearly.

[/sarcasm]

You don't see much rebellion in Singapore. There are three different ethnic groups there and they are not attacking each other's places of worship. The Singapore government knows how to handle citizens that choose to be troublemakers.

Geez, you sound like Tarkin explaining how the Death Star will end all rebellion.

[Adamede]

It is unjustified yes. Is it horrible yes. Does it have a good reason? no. It has a lot of racism. But the response to violence is not violence

Depends. In situations of self defense answering violence with violence is justified

Retribution after the fact is not.