Vandals Hit Black Churches During Weekend Pro-Trump Rallies

[The Emerald Legion]

The other thing is I can't find anything about people being hospitalized. It's literally all about a banner being pulled down and burned.

Which yeah, it's a dick move. But calling it a hate crime is stupid.

[Stylan]

I am getting conflicting reports ? Did they just steal the banner and burn it or was there more serious damage ?

Nope. That's it.

I like how the conservatives are trying to say "oh but this isn't all Trump supporters!" (which I agree with) but then will paint all of BLM as violent because of some violence caused largely by police infiltrators.

A.) There were no police infiltrators.

B.) All of BLM engages in violent rhetoric and feeds into and justifies the behavior of their most violent members. The same is not true of Trump supporters.

Shaun King has never advocated for violence. Also, tons of mass shooters in the past four years have been Trump supporters and killed tons of people, like William Atchison, Brenton Tarrant, etc.

[Cordel One]

The other thing is I can't find anything about people being hospitalized. It's literally all about a banner being pulled down and burned.

Which yeah, it's a dick move. But calling it a hate crime is stupid.

Maybe you should read a little harder, then.

"The incidents came following weekend rallies in support of Trump’s baseless claims that he won a second term, which led to dozens of arrests, several stabbings and injuries to police officers."

"Four men were stabbed around 10 p.m. after a fight downtown, police said. At least one suspect, 29 year-old Phillip Johnson of Washington, was arrested on a charge of assault with a dangerous weapon. A police report obtained by The Associated Press said at least one of the victims identified Johnson as the person who stabbed him."

[Loben III]

Nope. That's it.



A.) There were no police infiltrators.

B.) All of BLM engages in violent rhetoric and feeds into and justifies the behavior of their most violent members. The same is not true of Trump supporters.

Shaun King has never advocated for violence. Also, tons of mass shooters in the past four years have been Trump supporters and killed tons of people, like William Atchison, Brenton Tarrant, etc.

Shaun king?

Oh now i remember.

[Stylan]

Shaun King has never advocated for violence. Also, tons of mass shooters in the past four years have been Trump supporters and killed tons of people, like William Atchison, Brenton Tarrant, etc.

Shaun king?

Oh now i remember.

Your posts literally never make any sense whatsoever, what are you talking about

[The Emerald Legion]

Nope. That's it.



A.) There were no police infiltrators.

B.) All of BLM engages in violent rhetoric and feeds into and justifies the behavior of their most violent members. The same is not true of Trump supporters.

Shaun King has never advocated for violence. Also, tons of mass shooters in the past four years have been Trump supporters and killed tons of people, like William Atchison, Brenton Tarrant, etc.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.newswe ... 58%3famp=1

William Atchison was a Neo Nazi who hated Republicans and Brenton Tarrant isn't american. Neither are part of the mainstream Trump train.

[Loben III]

Shaun king?

Oh now i remember.

Your posts literally never make any sense whatsoever, what are you talking about

You mentioned Shaun king, then I remembered that he doesn’t exactly represent Black Lives Matter no matter how hard he tries.

Then again I find his sorry ass hilarious.

[Stylan]

Shaun King has never advocated for violence. Also, tons of mass shooters in the past four years have been Trump supporters and killed tons of people, like William Atchison, Brenton Tarrant, etc.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.newswe ... 58%3famp=1

William Atchison was a Neo Nazi who hated Republicans and Brenton Tarrant isn't american. Neither are part of the mainstream Trump train.

William Atchison was literally active on the Daily Stormer and had numerous online profiles that supported Trump. Tarrant wasn't American, but he sure as hell liked Trump.

[Rusozak]

Shaun King has never advocated for violence. Also, tons of mass shooters in the past four years have been Trump supporters and killed tons of people, like William Atchison, Brenton Tarrant, etc.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.newswe ... 58%3famp=1

William Atchison was a Neo Nazi who hated Republicans and Brenton Tarrant isn't american. Neither are part of the mainstream Trump train.

And yet somehow magically every single person who supports BLM is some kind of ultraviolent insurgent?

[The Emerald Legion]

The other thing is I can't find anything about people being hospitalized. It's literally all about a banner being pulled down and burned.

Which yeah, it's a dick move. But calling it a hate crime is stupid.

Maybe you should read a little harder, then.

"The incidents came following weekend rallies in support of Trump’s baseless claims that he won a second term, which led to dozens of arrests, several stabbings and injuries to police officers."

"Four men were stabbed around 10 p.m. after a fight downtown, police said. At least one suspect, 29 year-old Phillip Johnson of Washington, was arrested on a charge of assault with a dangerous weapon. A police report obtained by The Associated Press said at least one of the victims identified Johnson as the person who stabbed him."

... You mean the thing that happened on a totally different day in a completely different location and is unrelated to the event at the church in basically every way possible?

[Death Lan]

this is the most retarded thing i have ever seen on this app and thats saying something

[Stylan]

this is the most retarded thing i have ever seen on this app and thats saying something

Do you have anything to actually contribute?

[The Emerald Legion]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.newswe ... 58%3famp=1

William Atchison was a Neo Nazi who hated Republicans and Brenton Tarrant isn't american. Neither are part of the mainstream Trump train.

And yet somehow magically every single person who supports BLM is some kind of ultraviolent insurgent?

If a Nazi says they like the cut of your jib, that doesn't make you a Nazi.

But if you say you like the cut of a Nazis jib, you might just be a Nazi.

[Rusozak]

And yet somehow magically every single person who supports BLM is some kind of ultraviolent insurgent?

If a Nazi says they like the cut of your jib, that doesn't make you a Nazi.

But if you say you like the cut of a Nazis jib, you might just be a Nazi.

I was exaggerating but nice of you to double down.

But consider that one can subscribe to a movement or ideology without subscribing to every thing the founder or leader believes in. Supporting the founding fathers doesn't make you inherently pro-slavery. Supporting Trump doesn't inherently mean you like weaseling out of drafts then insulting the veterans that weren't so lucky. See, this goes both ways. Trump himself and numerous leaders of movements that endorse him have encouraged violence and deplorable beliefs, so that's not a string you want to pull. But go ahead, continue to plaster an entire group as a monolith whilst defending your people by dismissing the violent ones as isolated incidents.

[The Emerald Legion]

If a Nazi says they like the cut of your jib, that doesn't make you a Nazi.

But if you say you like the cut of a Nazis jib, you might just be a Nazi.

I was exaggerating but nice of you to double down.

But consider that one can subscribe to a movement or ideology without subscribing to every thing the founder or leader believes in. Supporting the founding fathers doesn't make you inherently pro-slavery. Supporting Trump doesn't inherently mean you like weaseling out of drafts then insulting the veterans that weren't so lucky. See, this goes both ways. Trump himself and numerous leaders of movements that endorse him have encouraged violence and deplorable beliefs, so that's not a string you want to pull. But go ahead, continue to plaster an entire group as a monolith whilst defending your people by dismissing the violent ones as isolated incidents.

The Nazi in question is metaphorical.

The point is just because people with shitty beliefs back you, doesn't make you or your beliefs shitty. However if you back a shitty belief... Well you're backing a shitty belief. BLM, while raising some worthwhile questions... Is chock full of hilariously bad takes.

And much like the Dems as a whole, they dodge all discussion of the actual content of beliefs by going on about individual people. Trying to draw equivalency between some nutjob Neo Nazi, and the violent, racist rhetoric that is the core of the BLM movement.

The difference is simple. One is just a nutjob. The other is the core sentiment of the BLM movement.

[Insaanistan]

Racist incidents right around the time of a Trump rally? Hmmm... I wonder why... definitely no connection at all.

[Glorious Hong Kong]

So there are many problems with your overall stance.... But you do have a singular point.

It was wrong to pull the Banners down, it was worse still to burn them.

That being said Cordel, you're comparing burning two banners with burning millions of dollars in cars, buildings, and property. That you do is unsurprising, because communists inherently devalue property because their entire belief system collapses the moment they recognize objects have value beyond the labor used to create them.

It is in no way comparable, though still a crime.

Though I find it amusing that the left admits NOW that violence is intimidating. After, y'know. Literally four plus years of claiming it's just ordinary freedom of expression to wander down the street burning cars, smashing windows, and torching businesses. Or attacking their political opponents in the street. Or trying to assassinate them.

But no it's a BLM banner now so it's important.

This. Proud Boys doing stupid shit deserves condemnation and legal action being taken against them. But vandalizing BLM signs and banners isn't nearly on the same level as completely destroying someone's livelihood. They didn't burn the entire church down or completely loot and ransack the interior. Suddenly these leftists want lAw aNd oRdEr when the Right burns one of their signs down? Antifa/BLM has been doing this violent shit x100 over for months while their critics got shut down as racists and authoritarian apologists. Freedom for me but not for thee and all that shit.

The OP complaining about sacred BLM banners being desecrated reminds me of when IM complained about protesters in HK tearing down and desecrating his beloved Chinese national flag and applauding the violent police crackdown and arrests made against them. It reminds me of how millions of Muslims all over the world protest the desecration of a certain book or prophet on the other side of the world. All this over a mere symbol.

It's not even entirely clear the black church was specifically singled out for being black rather than for its pro-BLM message. After all, BLM is politically opposed to the Proud Boys. It's only natural for them to illegally "express themselves" by destroying the signs of their political opponents. This was a political hate crime, not a racist hate crime until or unless further details emerge proving otherwise. Need I remind everyone that the group's leader is a black Cuban from Miami and the Proud Boys are a multiracial street gang. It's not like Trump supporters haven't vandalized the signs of white Biden/BLM supporters, have they? Racist double standard, much? Those activists accusing Mayor Bowser of not doing enough to put a stop to the kind of violence that they don't like? Hypocrites.

[Insaanistan]

So there are many problems with your overall stance.... But you do have a singular point.

It was wrong to pull the Banners down, it was worse still to burn them.

That being said Cordel, you're comparing burning two banners with burning millions of dollars in cars, buildings, and property. That you do is unsurprising, because communists inherently devalue property because their entire belief system collapses the moment they recognize objects have value beyond the labor used to create them.

It is in no way comparable, though still a crime.

Though I find it amusing that the left admits NOW that violence is intimidating. After, y'know. Literally four plus years of claiming it's just ordinary freedom of expression to wander down the street burning cars, smashing windows, and torching businesses. Or attacking their political opponents in the street. Or trying to assassinate them.

But no it's a BLM banner now so it's important.

This. Proud Boys doing stupid shit deserves condemnation and legal action being taken against them. But vandalizing BLM signs and banners isn't nearly on the same level as completely destroying someone's livelihood. They didn't burn the entire church down or completely loot and ransack the interior. Suddenly these leftists want lAw aNd oRdEr when the Right burns one of their signs down? Antifa/BLM has been doing this violent shit x100 over for months while their critics got shut down as racists and authoritarian apologists. Freedom for me but not for thee and all that shit.

The OP complaining about sacred BLM banners being desecrated reminds me of when IM complained about protesters in HK tearing down and desecrating his beloved Chinese national flag and applauding the violent police crackdown and arrests made against them. It reminds me of how millions of Muslims all over the world protest the desecration of a certain book or prophet on the other side of the world. All this over a mere symbol.

It's not even entirely clear the black church was specifically singled out for being black rather than for its pro-BLM message. After all, BLM is politically opposed to the Proud Boys. It's only natural for them to illegally "express themselves" by destroying the signs of their political opponents. This was a political hate crime, not a racist hate crime until or unless further details emerge proving otherwise. Need I remind everyone that the group's leader is a black Cuban from Miami and the Proud Boys are a multiracial street gang. It's not like Trump supporters haven't vandalized the signs of white Biden/BLM supporters, have they? Racist double standard, much? Those activists accusing Mayor Bowser of not doing enough to put a stop to the kind of violence that they don't like? Hypocrites.

So, you guys gonna ignore that BLM supporters have been condemning violence this whole time?
Yes?
Okay.

[The Emerald Legion]

So, you guys gonna ignore that BLM supporters have been condemning violence this whole time?
Yes?
Okay.

Of course. Because that didn't happen.

[Insaanistan]

So, you guys gonna ignore that BLM supporters have been condemning violence this whole time?
Yes?
Okay.

Of course. Because that didn't happen.

Do... do you really think the whole of BLM is okay with the violence. The violence caused by left wing rioters, mind you, not the violence caused by random rioters and looters, which experts say often have literally no connection to the protesters at all.

[The Emerald Legion]

Of course. Because that didn't happen.

Do... do you really think the whole of BLM is okay with the violence. The violence caused by left wing rioters, mind you, not the violence caused by random rioters and looters, which experts say often have literally no connection to the protesters at all.

The whole? No. You have the ones who shut their eyes and ears and look to the wrapping rather than the contents. But other than them? Yes.

[Rusozak]

Do... do you really think the whole of BLM is okay with the violence. The violence caused by left wing rioters, mind you, not the violence caused by random rioters and looters, which experts say often have literally no connection to the protesters at all.

The whole? No. You have the ones who shut their eyes and ears and look to the wrapping rather than the contents. But other than them? Yes.

Sooo close to being self-aware here.

[Vassenor]

Yeah that’s true, context matters, like what happened with Kyle Rittenhouse when it turns out the antifa people were about to beat him up

Context does matter in the case of Kyle Rittenhouse. He drove to another state with a firearm he wasn't legally supposed to have to go after antifascists.

They would’ve killed him tbh.

Doubtful, the only killer there was him.

Vandalized by tearing down banners.

And people were stabbed as well.

But because they were all Antifa Supersoldiers then he cannot be held responsible for his actions because property is more important and valuable than human lives.

[Arisyan]

bruh reading through this page made me lose like 10 brain cells. This is seriously the most idiotic and hypocritical thing I've seen, rightists defending this sort of violence. I need to go take a break.

[Northern Socialist Council Republics]

bruh reading through this page made me lose like 10 brain cells. This is seriously the most idiotic and hypocritical thing I've seen, rightists defending this sort of violence. I need to go take a break.

Absolutely nobody except a handful of fringe radicals are defending this violence.

The motion of debate isn’t whether this act of violence is good, but rather who needs to answer for them and to what extent.