Vandals Hit Black Churches During Weekend Pro-Trump Rallies

[SD_Film Artists]

I'm curious why the chuches had BLM banners. It seems like the vandals were more agaisnt the BLM politicisation rather than the church itself; not that it makes the arson any less illegal.

https://twitter.com/MetropolitanAME/sta ... 9813965826

I wasn't aware that Jesus aproves of race division, but then it *is* a "black" church. It seems like churches on both the left and the right of American politics are perverting Jesus' message for their own gain.

[The Three Palins]

Interesting how now everyone is screaming violence when the right wing when the shitshow in Portland was caused by left wing groups but they were simply "protests." Not taking any sides but it's fact.

You see a lot of people here calling the property damage "violence"?

There is a form of property damage which is legitimately called "violence". And that is arson. The intention may be only to destroy a building, but there is always a risk to human life when fire gets out of control.

[The Three Palins]

https://twitter.com/MetropolitanAME/sta ... 9813965826

I wasn't aware that Jesus aproves of race division, but then it *is* a "black" church. It seems like churches on both the left and the right of American politics are perverting Jesus' message for their own gain.

"Perverting" is a pretty strong word. If no church ever perverted Jesus's message, there would be only one church. And anyway, most sects have more or less of the "original" message like the Commandments, along with Jesus's teachings and life story.

You could even say some sects have very little of Jesus in them. All that Old Testament stuff that seems much more important to them, and not much about humility or charity. It's all very consumer-driven, free market even. Why keep going to back to a Church where they preach stuff you don't want to hear? Set up church in an abandoned barn and preach the bits you like from the Bible!

[The Emerald Legion]

So there are many problems with your overall stance.... But you do have a singular point.

It was wrong to pull the Banners down, it was worse still to burn them.

That being said Cordel, you're comparing burning two banners with burning millions of dollars in cars, buildings, and property. That you do is unsurprising, because communists inherently devalue property because their entire belief system collapses the moment they recognize objects have value beyond the labor used to create them.

It is in no way comparable, though still a crime.

Though I find it amusing that the left admits NOW that violence is intimidating. After, y'know. Literally four plus years of claiming it's just ordinary freedom of expression to wander down the street burning cars, smashing windows, and torching businesses. Or attacking their political opponents in the street. Or trying to assassinate them.

But no it's a BLM banner now so it's important.

[Northern Socialist Council Republics]

The more conservative observers have a point in that the leaders of a political movement cannot reasonably be held responsible for isolated acts of violence committed by a radical minority of their followers.

For the moment I am willing to accept that the perpetrators of this particular incident is a radical minority of the Trumpist movement - we’ll see if that changes in the future. I think it’s a little premature at this point to say that the recent acts of vandalism and violence are reflective of the nature of the Trumpist movement.

I am much more concerned about what the American political right is doing in media and in the halls of government than I am about what they are doing in the streets.

That being said, we ought to keep a close eye on the official response. We’ve seen over the past few months that American police tend to be less harsh on right wing agitators than on the left, and that may continue with these latest round of attacks.

[Greed and Death]

I am getting conflicting reports ? Did they just steal the banner and burn it or was there more serious damage ?

[Stylan]

I like how the conservatives are trying to say "oh but this isn't all Trump supporters!" (which I agree with) but then will paint all of BLM as violent because of some violence caused largely by police infiltrators.

[Vassenor]

I like how the conservatives are trying to say "oh but this isn't all Trump supporters!" (which I agree with) but then will paint all of BLM as violent because of some violence caused largely by police infiltrators.

Trumpist commentators are masters of projection and hypocrisy, yes.

[The Emerald Legion]

I am getting conflicting reports ? Did they just steal the banner and burn it or was there more serious damage ?

Nope. That's it.

I like how the conservatives are trying to say "oh but this isn't all Trump supporters!" (which I agree with) but then will paint all of BLM as violent because of some violence caused largely by police infiltrators.

A.) There were no police infiltrators.

B.) All of BLM engages in violent rhetoric and feeds into and justifies the behavior of their most violent members. The same is not true of Trump supporters.

[Loben III]

I am getting conflicting reports ? Did they just steal the banner and burn it or was there more serious damage ?

Nope. That's it.

I like how the conservatives are trying to say "oh but this isn't all Trump supporters!" (which I agree with) but then will paint all of BLM as violent because of some violence caused largely by police infiltrators.

A.) There were no police infiltrators.

B.) All of BLM engages in violent rhetoric and feeds into and justifies the behavior of their most violent members. The same is not true of Trump supporters.

Bit of a mountain out of a molehill don’t you think

[Cordel One]

I am getting conflicting reports ? Did they just steal the banner and burn it or was there more serious damage ?

Several people were hospitalized.

[Cordel One]

Interesting how now everyone is screaming violence when the right wing when the shitshow in Portland was caused by left wing groups but they were simply "protests." Not taking any sides but it's fact.

Not all violence is unjustified and morally disgusting.

[The Emerald Legion]

Interesting how now everyone is screaming violence when the right wing when the shitshow in Portland was caused by left wing groups but they were simply "protests." Not taking any sides but it's fact.

Not all violence is unjustified and morally disgusting.

Why then did you make this thread?

[Hittisha]

These vandals clearly show no regard for what the enlightened (or should I say, "woke") among us have revealed as the necessary path to our betterment as a society.
As we all should know by now, violence and vandalism are okay, but only as long as it's carried out indiscriminately.
So if you're going to hit a black church, then you need to hit white and multiracial churches also! And if anyone complains or tells you about how that just falls under a different prejudice, then spread it around other places of worship. Otherwise you can just hit them in the face and call them fascist! If you say it loud enough while ganging up on them, then that makes it true!
Who are they to believe they have the right to not let us screw up their communities, anyway? It's our right to do that, and obviously their agenda is to have us give it up to those fascist discriminator-vandals.
Oh, they say they just wanna live in peace, huh? Well tough crap, either we get to wreck the place up, or they do. That's perfectly logical, isn't it?

[Cordel One]

Not all violence is unjustified and morally disgusting.

Why then did you make this thread?

Because I think it's hypocritical of certain individuals to condemn property destruction as if some sort of like was crossed only to turn a blind eye to hate crimes.

[National Capitalist United States]

Not all violence is unjustified and morally disgusting.

Why then did you make this thread?

He's probably to lazy to go outside and supports the rioters that do go outside. I think he's part of Antifa's keyboard warrior division.

(Note: I'm not defending what the proud boys did however, racism is disgusting)

[The Emerald Legion]

Why then did you make this thread?

Because I think it's hypocritical of certain individuals to condemn property destruction as if some sort of like was crossed only to turn a blind eye to hate crimes.

So, opposition to a political movement is a hate crime now?

[Cordel One]

These vandals clearly show no regard for what the enlightened (or should I say, "woke") among us have revealed as the necessary path to our betterment as a society.
As we all should know by now, violence and vandalism are okay, but only as long as it's carried out indiscriminately.
So if you're going to hit a black church, then you need to hit white and multiracial churches also! And if anyone complains or tells you about how that just falls under a different prejudice, then spread it around other places of worship. Otherwise you can just hit them in the face and call them fascist! If you say it loud enough while ganging up on them, then that makes it true!
Who are they to believe they have the right to not let us screw up their communities, anyway? It's our right to do that, and obviously their agenda is to have us give it up to those fascist discriminator-vandals.
Oh, they say they just wanna live in peace, huh? Well tough crap, either we get to wreck the place up, or they do. That's perfectly logical, isn't it?

I'm sure the KKK felt as if they were defending themselves as well.

[Arisyan]

I sure am glad I don't live in the US, or else I'd be screwed. I cannot believe rightists are defending this. Like Jesus Christ the hypocrisy.

[Cordel One]

Because I think it's hypocritical of certain individuals to condemn property destruction as if some sort of like was crossed only to turn a blind eye to hate crimes.

So, opposition to a political movement is a hate crime now?

No, but stabbing four people and vandalizing black churches is.

[Awesomeland]

I am getting conflicting reports ? Did they just steal the banner and burn it or was there more serious damage ?

Honestly, if the extent of the damage is that some banners were torn down, while wrong, I'd consider the entire thing very restrained. I've seen more destruction inflicted in the celebratory rioting of a winning sports team.

Several people were hospitalized.

The question is who was hospitalized and under what circumstances? Were the hospitalized individuals bystanders who were assaulted by protestors? People who succumbed to health conditions unrelated to any violence? Protestors who injured each other? Protestors and counter-protestors injured in clashes with each other? It's not enough to merely say that several people were hospitalized without knowing who and why.

[Loben III]

So, opposition to a political movement is a hate crime now?

No, but stabbing four people and vandalizing black churches is.

Vandalized by tearing down banners.

[Kexholm Karelia]

I am getting conflicting reports ? Did they just steal the banner and burn it or was there more serious damage ?

Honestly, if the extent of the damage is that some banners were torn down, while wrong, I'd consider the entire thing very restrained. I've seen more destruction inflicted in the celebratory rioting of a winning sports team.

Several people were hospitalized.

The question is who was hospitalized and under what circumstances? Were the hospitalized individuals bystanders who were assaulted by protestors? People who succumbed to health conditions unrelated to any violence? Protestors who injured each other? Protestors and counter-protestors injured in clashes with each other? It's not enough to merely say that several people were hospitalized without knowing who and why.

Yeah that’s true, context matters, like what happened with Kyle Rittenhouse when it turns out the antifa people were about to beat him up

[Loben III]

Honestly, if the extent of the damage is that some banners were torn down, while wrong, I'd consider the entire thing very restrained. I've seen more destruction inflicted in the celebratory rioting of a winning sports team.


The question is who was hospitalized and under what circumstances? Were the hospitalized individuals bystanders who were assaulted by protestors? People who succumbed to health conditions unrelated to any violence? Protestors who injured each other? Protestors and counter-protestors injured in clashes with each other? It's not enough to merely say that several people were hospitalized without knowing who and why.

Yeah that’s true, context matters, like what happened with Kyle Rittenhouse when it turns out the antifa people were about to beat him up

They would’ve killed him tbh.

[Cordel One]

Honestly, if the extent of the damage is that some banners were torn down, while wrong, I'd consider the entire thing very restrained. I've seen more destruction inflicted in the celebratory rioting of a winning sports team.


The question is who was hospitalized and under what circumstances? Were the hospitalized individuals bystanders who were assaulted by protestors? People who succumbed to health conditions unrelated to any violence? Protestors who injured each other? Protestors and counter-protestors injured in clashes with each other? It's not enough to merely say that several people were hospitalized without knowing who and why.

Yeah that’s true, context matters, like what happened with Kyle Rittenhouse when it turns out the antifa people were about to beat him up

Context does matter in the case of Kyle Rittenhouse. He drove to another state with a firearm he wasn't legally supposed to have to go after antifascists.

Yeah that’s true, context matters, like what happened with Kyle Rittenhouse when it turns out the antifa people were about to beat him up

They would’ve killed him tbh.

Doubtful, the only killer there was him.

No, but stabbing four people and vandalizing black churches is.

Vandalized by tearing down banners.

And people were stabbed as well.