Is Capitalism "The Final Stage"?

[Sundiata]

I don't think that capitalism is ever really going to go away because it's the closest thing we've got to human nature. People want nice stuff, luxury. It's a special person who can walk away from all of the beautiful things that money can buy.

Once you've had a taste of luxury its hard to give it up, the nice suits, the parties, the cars, the validation. We're all after that good stuff. I think that everyone should get to experience the heights of luxury at least once.

It's part of being happy, I think.

Materials and services can be produced under any economic system.

Show me the Communist equivalent to a Rolex watch, a Louie Vuitton handbag, or a Bugatti Chiron. I'm not saying that command economies can't produce stuff. I am saying that Command economies don't produce the nice stuff, the luxuries.

A system like that is doomed to fail because that's what we want. The worst part, it doesn't even stop there. Each year the luxury goods get better.

[Adamede]

It is when the particular usage of language is concerned.

The state is the government.

Wrong. I'll be more specific this time. Look up "state" and "government" in a dictionary.

state noun, often attributive
\ ˈstāt \
Definition of state
: a politically organized body of people usually occupying a definite territory
especially : one that is sovereign
b : the political organization of such a body of people
c : a government or politically organized society having a particular character

All governments operate in definite territory of some form or another, save perhaps for governments in exile.

[Sundiata]

Providing the definition of a word isn't backing up my argument, dude.

It is when the particular usage of language is concerned.

The state is the government.

That's often the case but not necessarily.

[Disgraces]

It is when the particular usage of language is concerned.

The state is the government.

That's often the case but not necessarily.

Thank you.

[Adamede]

It is when the particular usage of language is concerned.

The state is the government.

That's often the case but not necessarily.

You two give me an example then.

[Disgraces]

That's often the case but not necessarily.

You two give me an example then.

Under anarcho-syndycalism, the syndicates would be the government.

[Sundiata]

For the record, I'm not saying that "greed is good," or that you should necessarily want to lead a life of luxury for its own sake.

Luxury should not be aimless.

[Adamede]

You two give me an example then.

Under anarcho-syndycalism, the syndicates would be the government.

And how exactly would that function?

[Disgraces]

Under anarcho-syndycalism, the syndicates would be the government.

And how exactly would that function?

I don't know. I'm not an anarcho-syndicalist.

[Sundiata]

Under anarcho-syndycalism, the syndicates would be the government.

And how exactly would that function?

I'm not saying it would. But with respect to theoretical politics, the state is not necessarily the government.

[Adamede]

And how exactly would that function?

I don't know. I'm not an anarcho-syndicalist.

So then how do you know that it’s not a state?

[Disgraces]

I don't know. I'm not an anarcho-syndicalist.

So then how do you know that it’s not a state?

Because anarchy is the lack of a state lol

[Sundiata]

I personally believe that if you're driving around in a bugatti, wearing nice suits, and experiencing the finest pleasures in life, it's also your responsibility to provide those experiences to the poor as well.

Everyone should have the option to lead luxurious lives.

[Adamede]

So then how do you know that it’s not a state?

Because anarchy is the lack of a state lol

So is North Korea really a democratic people’s republic?

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

"Is Capitalism 'The Final Stage'?" The final stage of humanity, if we don't reverse the downward spiral of stripmining the planet and ourselves we are in within the next 100 years? Yes.

[Atheris]

You two give me an example then.

Under anarcho-syndycalism, the syndicates would be the government.

And how would that realistically be enforced?

Via a state.

[Disgraces]

Because anarchy is the lack of a state lol

So is North Korea really a democratic people’s republic?

No. And before you do it, you can't compare the name of a political ideology to the name of a country.

[Sundiata]

Because anarchy is the lack of a state lol

So is North Korea really a democratic people’s republic?

Anarchists (not anarcho-capitalists) are not saying that you should abolish the government. They identify the state and the government as two separate entities.

The state can be the government but the government is not necessarily the state in terms of political science.

[Disgraces]

Under anarcho-syndycalism, the syndicates would be the government.

And how would that realistically be enforced?

Via a state.

Enforced via a state. Not work under a state. Also, anarcho-communism is like communism except they abolish the state instead of it withering away or something. So, not entirely true.

[Adamede]

So is North Korea really a democratic people’s republic?

No. And before you do it, you can't compare the name of a political ideology to the name of a country.

Words are man made creations. The meaning we assign them doesn’t necessarily always line up with reality.

And I can make whatever comparisons I damn well please.

Under anarcho-syndycalism, the syndicates would be the government.

And how would that realistically be enforced?

Via a state.

Exactly.

[Disgraces]

So is North Korea really a democratic people’s republic?

Anarchists (not anarcho-capitalists) are not saying that you should abolish the government. They identify the state and the government as two separate entities.

The state can be the government but the government is not necessarily the state in terms of political science.

Exactly.

[Adamede]

So is North Korea really a democratic people’s republic?

Anarchists (not anarcho-capitalists) are not saying that you should abolish the government. They identify the state and the government as two separate entities.

The state can be the government but the government is not necessarily the state in terms of political science.

And I’m saying they’re wrong when it comes to the real world.

[Disgraces]

No. And before you do it, you can't compare the name of a political ideology to the name of a country.

Words are man made creations. The meaning we assign them doesn’t necessarily always line up with reality.

And I can make whatever comparisons I damn well please.

Here we go again with "I can use the language however I want !!!11!!"

[Atheris]

So is North Korea really a democratic people’s republic?

Anarchists (not anarcho-capitalists) are not saying that you should abolish the government. They identify the state and the government as two separate entities.

The state can be the government but the government is not necessarily the state in terms of political science.

But the only way a government can be enforced is via the influence of a state. If a government exists, then a state will inevitably exist alongside it, if not just to enforce its existence. A military, a police force, a legislature - these are all parts of a state. If one exists, a state exists, but a state can only exist alongside a government and a government can only exist alongside a state.

[Adamede]

Words are man made creations. The meaning we assign them doesn’t necessarily always line up with reality.

And I can make whatever comparisons I damn well please.

Here we go again with "I can use the language however I want !!!11!!"

Language is a tool and ultimately subjective. If it wasn’t Latin would still be spoken throughout the Western a Mediterranean instead of the Romance languages.