Is Capitalism "The Final Stage"?

[Esheaun Stroakuss]

...no one said you did not believe in those things?

Wasn't my point, though.

Then what is your point?

[Sanghyeok]

According to quite a few people online, Karl Marx supported capitalism. So it might be him, who knows?

lol Karl Marx lived off of his rich capitalist friends when he made his communist manifesto. Let that sink in.

What does that prove about anything?

[Esheaun Stroakuss]

According to quite a few people online, Karl Marx supported capitalism. So it might be him, who knows?

lol Karl Marx lived off of his rich capitalist friends when he made his communist manifesto. Let that sink in.

Is that supposed to be a gotcha? I mean, Marx kind of had to live within the system he was criticising. He couldn't just fucking starve.

Also this is peak "how can you criticise society when you live in it checkmate lefty"

[Sanghyeok]

lol Karl Marx lived off of his rich capitalist friends when he made his communist manifesto. Let that sink in.

Is that supposed to be a gotcha? I mean, Marx kind of had to live within the system he was criticising. He couldn't just fucking starve.

Also this is peak "how can you criticise society when you live in it checkmate lefty"

How can you have an iPhone and criticise capitalism? How can you eat bread made by serfs and criticise feudalism?

[Esheaun Stroakuss]

Is that supposed to be a gotcha? I mean, Marx kind of had to live within the system he was criticising. He couldn't just fucking starve.

Also this is peak "how can you criticise society when you live in it checkmate lefty"

How can you have an iPhone and criticise capitalism? How can you eat bread made by serfs and criticise feudalism?

I think he is trying to call out the hypocrisies of leftists, when in actuality we all have to be hypocrites to survive. Think of all those millionaire evangelicals, knowing full well that rich people don't go to Heaven.

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Capitalism is not the final stage, and there are several factors that guarantee its end:

- Wealth inequality will reach a breaking point in which the masses of have increasingly smaller shares of the world's wealth will rise up.

- Infinite growth is impossible. All those trillions of dollars of debt cannot be paid off, they were never meant to be paid off. The idea is that the size of the economy will increase proportionally to the debt, but there will soon be no more room to grow.

- The combination of automation and a growing population will result in mass unemployment that will cause society to collapse if universal basic income is not implemented. Already there are significantly more people than jobs and millions of bullshit jobs that need not exist, and there is a limit to how many bullshit jobs can be created.

- Climate change and reaching our planet's carrying capacity will necessitate a massive reduction in consumption. Without excessive consumption, capitalism could not exist.

[Kexholm Karelia]

Yes, because very economic system attempted after capitalism has been a miserable failure. The fact that there are people who think the alternative systems, whether it be communism, marxism, syndicalism, corporatism, etc. will succeed in the next try is more of an issue of the education system and its failure to teach how badly these systems failed

[Kexholm Karelia]

By the way I’m not saying that communists, Marxists, socialists, etc. are dumb, I’m just saying many people who believe these ideologies aren’t aware of the historical failures and how bad those were

[Anarkja]

By the way I’m not saying that communists, Marxists, socialists, etc. are dumb, I’m just saying many people who believe these ideologies aren’t aware of the historical failures and how bad those were

There have also been successful attempts, which ended up being crushed by authoritarian governments.

[Esheaun Stroakuss]

By the way I’m not saying that communists, Marxists, socialists, etc. are dumb, I’m just saying many people who believe these ideologies aren’t aware of the historical failures and how bad those were

I am fully aware of the failures of the regimes in the 20th Century who attempted to implement communism and why they failed. That does not mean we cannot learn from those failures.

What didn't help was that the leaders of those countries were psychos.

[Arisyan]

By the way I’m not saying that communists, Marxists, socialists, etc. are dumb, I’m just saying many people who believe these ideologies aren’t aware of the historical failures and how bad those were

Um, 2 things: Catalonia number one. That was successful and life was very good there it was just crushed by the USSR. and 2: Capitalism has committed as many bad things as socialism in the past has, however capitalism is still ongoing and is going to end the planet if it is not ended.

[Duvniask]

Yes, because very economic system attempted after capitalism has been a miserable failure. The fact that there are people who think the alternative systems, whether it be communism, marxism, syndicalism, corporatism, etc. will succeed in the next try is more of an issue of the education system and its failure to teach how badly these systems failed

Ah yes, the alternative system of Marxism.

[Ifreann]

...no one said you did not believe in those things?

Wasn't my point, though.

You seem to have flicked your fingers and started to believe that being a lefto is just like being gay, so yes, I imagine that you could.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man

I'm not attributing a position to you and refuting that position and acting like I have thus refuted your position. I'm making fun of your earlier post, which is what you posted and we can all just scroll up and see it.

Maybe stick to the "something more than just complain about capitalism" stuff.

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The hypocrisy is real with this one.

Not really:

Nah, it's usually funny when people laugh at the straights not being okay.

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Anyway, you guys have each other, so I guess I am happy for you. Just keep your brushes off my back, please.

Brushes? What?

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lol Karl Marx lived off of his rich capitalist friends when he made his communist manifesto. Let that sink in.

What does that prove about anything?

That if Marx were alive today he'd be selling gold leaf coated brain pills to rich weirdos to fund his YouTube channel.

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By the way I’m not saying that communists, Marxists, socialists, etc. are dumb, I’m just saying many people who believe these ideologies aren’t aware of the historical failures and how bad those were

I don't think people on the left are unaware of things like the Soviet Union being shit. What you have is either people who think that we could do socialist stuff without the bits that were shit, or people who think that the bits that were shit were actually good. You're a Trump supporter, you must know that some people really like authoritarianism.

[New Acardia]

I would say that Capitalism is the best economic system to lift people out of poverty

[Disgraces]

According to quite a few people online, Karl Marx supported capitalism. So it might be him, who knows?

lol Karl Marx lived off of his rich capitalist friends when he made his communist manifesto. Let that sink in.

So what? He can't care about the unfortunate?

[Mustardaise]

lol Karl Marx lived off of his rich capitalist friends when he made his communist manifesto. Let that sink in.

So what? He can't care about the unfortunate?

He was a virtue signaller. And now look now, after a hundred years: everyone, including actual communists, is laughing at him.

Someone will read this thread in 2120, mark my words.

[Disgraces]

So what? He can't care about the unfortunate?

He was a virtue signaller. And now look now, after a hundred years: everyone, including actual communists, is laughing at him.

Someone will read this thread in 2120, mark my words.

"Virtue signalling" is a stupid term.

[Mustardaise]

He was a virtue signaller. And now look now, after a hundred years: everyone, including actual communists, is laughing at him.

Someone will read this thread in 2120, mark my words.

"Virtue signalling" is a stupid term.

It is not.
https://www.intellectualtakeout.org/art ... signaling/

Marx literally described a problem and did absolutely nothing to address it. A model virtue signaller, that one.

[Ifreann]

Virtue signalling is when you notice that something is bad.

[Mustardaise]

Virtue signalling is when you notice that something is bad.

And do nothing to address it besides saying "it disgusts me". Middle class people have the means to influence the world around them, but they choose to engage in shitposting about how bad capitalism is.

The reason why capitalism works and socialism doesn't is those people. We like to categorize and notice problems around us, but going out and trying to fix them? Naaah, too much trouble. Better to say how sorry I feel about the fact that those problems exist and be done with it.

Meanwhile capitalists do their own form of virtue signalling - like donating money or creating opportunities some people will be able to take advantage of - but it has a more tangible effect than our complaining. Even if all it accomplishes is upholding the institutionalized status quo or they are just cover-ups for investments, they still have an effect on the general populace. That's because capitalism works, for all the wrong reasons.

I am a hypocrite, just like Marx is. Denounce me, but if you choose to not denounce Marx - you are no different than me.

[Ifreann]

Virtue signalling is when you notice that something is bad.

And do nothing to address it besides saying "it disgusts me". Middle class people have the means to influence the world around them,

Not really, though.

but they choose to engage in shitposting about how bad capitalism is.

The reason why capitalism works and socialism doesn't is those people. We like to categorize and notice problems around us, but going out and trying to fix them? Naaah, too much trouble. Better to say how sorry I feel about the fact that those problems exist and be done with it.

Capitalism doesn't work.

[Kexholm Karelia]

By the way I’m not saying that communists, Marxists, socialists, etc. are dumb, I’m just saying many people who believe these ideologies aren’t aware of the historical failures and how bad those were

Um, 2 things: Catalonia number one. That was successful and life was very good there it was just crushed by the USSR.

LOL

They killed innocent people for looking too right wing, as well as torturing catholic clergymen who had no part in the war. Do you agree with any of this?

[Mustardaise]

And do nothing to address it besides saying "it disgusts me". Middle class people have the means to influence the world around them,

Not really, though.

Yes, we do. We have all the time to engage in some work, but we choose to shitpost and look up cat videos on the Internet while dismissing some equally legitimate issues because they do not conform to our bubbles. It's just more convenient. Deny it all you want, but this is absolutely true. Capitalism may not work, but it works more than the system we represent does. And it is our damn fault.

0.00000000% of communism was built by someone who pointed out what's wrong with capitalism in his book and many more people who actually were in the field and did some of the dirty work with their hands. Who's building it now? A bunch of college kids who are pointing out what's wrong with capitalism, sans those who do the hard labour. Yes, it will totally succeed!

[Kubra]

"Virtue signalling" is a stupid term.

It is not.
https://www.intellectualtakeout.org/art ... signaling/

Marx literally described a problem and did absolutely nothing to address it. A model virtue signaller, that one.

He was active in organising a general association of various national working class organisations, which spawned political parties that in some case are still around today. They seemed to value his work and input enough to have him join in on helping them draft electoral platforms.
What have you done with your life, man?

[Mustardaise]

It is not.
https://www.intellectualtakeout.org/art ... signaling/

Marx literally described a problem and did absolutely nothing to address it. A model virtue signaller, that one.

He was active in organising a general association of various national working class organisations, which spawned political parties that in some case are still around today. They seemed to value his work and input enough to have him join in on helping them draft electoral platforms.
What have you done with your life, man?

So he accomplished something. Are our actions causing formation of one working class organization? Did anyone of us even reach out to a single person who's homeless and fix their situation?