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Sun Dec 13, 2020 10:01 pmby Exalted Inquellian State
Australian rePublic wrote:Left-winged capitalism works for most people (Australia, New Zealand, Canada, Western Europe). No other system in the history of ever has been able to say that. Not full blown capitalism, not socialism, not communism. Nothing. Nothing works as well as left-winged capitalism
I agree. It also stops destructive ideologies like socialism.
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Sun Dec 13, 2020 10:04 pmby Kwantlen Kanata
Esternial wrote:The perfect economic system is a hybrid system.
Always diversify your portfolio.
exactly. people keep arguing over extremes when theres no rule saying we cant just take the best parts of certain economic engines and put them together into something better.
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Sun Dec 13, 2020 10:09 pmby The Cazistan
Partash wrote:Alright lads, let me give some context to what I mean "final stage" is. The "final stage" is a economic system so viable, so productive, so..seemingly well, that there is no need to advance past it. That it's a 'perfect' one in a sense, or at least perfect enough that there is no need to advance past this. When I heard about this argument on a forum once, I took a quick second to think. I came to another conclusion, there is no final stage.
That being said, let's say, for the sake of argument, there is. That there is a final stage. I am asking all; is capitalism it? Have we reached the point where capitalism is the final stage?
Personally? No. I am a democratic confederalist, and I believe in some form of socialism, one which I can't put my finger on, will be it. Maybe it'll be the 'right-wing' of the left, Social Democracy. Maybe it'll be marxist-leninism. However, it's hard to say. I seriously doubt there is a final stage anyway.
Anyway NS, what do you think?
Capitalism, in accordance with political theory, is inherently a middle stage between feudalism and socialism, so no. If you're referring to societal decay, consumerism, amorality, and materialism as inherent "capitalism" and asking if it's the best possible way of life for humanity you need to re-evaluate your morals.
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Sun Dec 13, 2020 10:20 pmby Disgraces
Kwantlen Kanata wrote:Esternial wrote:The perfect economic system is a hybrid system.
Always diversify your portfolio.
exactly. people keep arguing over extremes when theres no rule saying we cant just take the best parts of certain economic engines and put them together into something better.
Exactly. Regulated mixed economy with government intervention ftw
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Sun Dec 13, 2020 10:25 pmby Valentine Z
If Capitalism is the final stage, I wonder who is the end-level boss.
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Sun Dec 13, 2020 10:26 pmby Senkaku
Kowani wrote:Odreria wrote:that kinda suggests that it will be the final stage.
nah
we'll collapse into some sort of scavenger-barter economy as we all die
I expect it’ll be more of a steady reversal of development so far— we went from hunting and gathering to primitive palace economies to the empires of antiquity to feudalism to early mercantilist capitalism to unrestricted global capitalism, and now we’ll proceed to do the reverse as conditions become more adverse to large-scale social complexity (assuming a sudden event like a nuclear war or a geoengineering termination shock doesn’t push us through some stages faster)
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Sun Dec 13, 2020 10:27 pmby Disgraces
Valentine Z wrote:If Capitalism is the final stage, I wonder who is the end-level boss.
Adam Smith
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Sun Dec 13, 2020 10:27 pmby The Cazistan
Valentine Z wrote:If Capitalism is the final stage, I wonder who is the end-level boss.
That would be the International Monetary Fund.
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Sun Dec 13, 2020 10:29 pmby Sanghyeok
Disgraces wrote:Valentine Z wrote:If Capitalism is the final stage, I wonder who is the end-level boss.
Adam Smith
According to quite a few people online, Karl Marx supported capitalism. So it might be him, who knows?
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Sun Dec 13, 2020 10:33 pmby Kowani
Senkaku wrote:Kowani wrote:nah
we'll collapse into some sort of scavenger-barter economy as we all die
I expect it’ll be more of a steady reversal of development so far— we went from hunting and gathering to primitive palace economies to the empires of antiquity to feudalism to early mercantilist capitalism to unrestricted global capitalism, and now we’ll proceed to do the reverse as conditions become more adverse to large-scale social complexity (assuming a sudden event like a nuclear war or a geoengineering termination shock doesn’t push us through some stages faster)
eh, I'm not certain.
that kind of depends on how fast we see soil depletion from monoculture leave us unable to sustain any sort of large scale enterprise
we will probably see a general reversal of development, but i don't think it'll be a "rewind" of the path that got us here
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Sun Dec 13, 2020 10:33 pmby Kowani
Disgraces wrote:Valentine Z wrote:If Capitalism is the final stage, I wonder who is the end-level boss.
Adam Smith
nah, he's a socdem
it'll be Hoppe
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Sun Dec 13, 2020 10:36 pmby Disgraces
Kowani wrote:Disgraces wrote:Adam Smith
nah, he's a socdem
it'll be Hoppe
Eh Idk I just googled "who created capitalism"
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Sun Dec 13, 2020 10:38 pmby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary
The Cazistan wrote:Valentine Z wrote:If Capitalism is the final stage, I wonder who is the end-level boss.
That would be the International Monetary Fund.
lmao this
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Sun Dec 13, 2020 10:39 pmby Kowani
The Cazistan wrote:Valentine Z wrote:If Capitalism is the final stage, I wonder who is the end-level boss.
That would be the International Monetary Fund.
and to the awesome quotes thread you go
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Sun Dec 13, 2020 10:51 pmby Infected Mushroom
Valentine Z wrote:If Capitalism is the final stage, I wonder who is the end-level boss.
I M the final boss
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Mon Dec 14, 2020 12:54 amby Vivolkha
Capitalism is the most efficient economic system we know (under a mixed economy with some, but limited, state control). However, we all know very well that it is not perfect.
We will continue to fine-tune our economic systems based on evidence on what works and what doesn't. But perfection doesn't exist, and hence neither does a final stage per se.
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Mon Dec 14, 2020 2:14 amby Washington Resistance Army
Kowani wrote:well, considering its destroying the planet as we speak, probably not
The only right answer.
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Mon Dec 14, 2020 2:18 amby ImperialRussia
Yep to be converted to a Technocracy then yes
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Mon Dec 14, 2020 2:20 amby Socialist States of Ludistan
No, that’s Nazbol.
But in all seriousness, I would probably go with that yes, capitalism is the best system.
But most definitely not this form.
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Mon Dec 14, 2020 2:24 amby Nevertopia
Sanghyeok wrote:Disgraces wrote:Adam Smith
According to quite a few people online, Karl Marx supported capitalism. So it might be him, who knows?
lol Karl Marx lived off of his rich capitalist friends when he made his communist manifesto. Let that sink in.
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Mon Dec 14, 2020 2:27 amby ImperialRussia
Capitalism final form will be converted into a technocracy where people will dictated by technology of the future
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Mon Dec 14, 2020 2:53 amby Esheaun Stroakuss
I bloody hope not.
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Mon Dec 14, 2020 3:02 amby Picairn
"The Final Stage" sounds like another neoliberal screed written by Francis "The End of History" Fukuyama.
My position is there is no Final Stage. Humanity will switch ideologies and systems when they are no longer working and applicable to their current situation, all the way until our extinction, because there is no such thing as a perfect ideology.
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Mon Dec 14, 2020 3:11 amby Pasong Tirad
Nevertopia wrote:Sanghyeok wrote:According to quite a few people online, Karl Marx supported capitalism. So it might be him, who knows?
lol Karl Marx lived off of his rich capitalist friends when he made his communist manifesto. Let that sink in.
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Mon Dec 14, 2020 3:42 amby The Holy Therns
I thought 8-4 was the final stage.
