Is Capitalism "The Final Stage"?

[Disgraces]

Anarchists (not anarcho-capitalists) are not saying that you should abolish the government. They identify the state and the government as two separate entities.

The state can be the government but the government is not necessarily the state in terms of political science.

And I’m saying they’re wrong when it comes to the real world.

Of course state and government are going to be used as synonyms when 99% of the world isn't anarchist.

[Salus Maior]

Definitely not.

[Disgraces]

Anarchists (not anarcho-capitalists) are not saying that you should abolish the government. They identify the state and the government as two separate entities.

The state can be the government but the government is not necessarily the state in terms of political science.

But the only way a government can be enforced is via the influence of a state. If a government exists, then a state will inevitably exist alongside it, if not just to enforce its existence. A military, a police force, a legislature - these are all parts of a state. If one exists, a state exists, but a state can only exist alongside a government and a government can only exist alongside a state.

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[Sundiata]

Anarchists (not anarcho-capitalists) are not saying that you should abolish the government. They identify the state and the government as two separate entities.

The state can be the government but the government is not necessarily the state in terms of political science.

But the only way a government can be enforced is via the influence of a state. If a government exists, then a state will inevitably exist alongside it, if not just to enforce its existence. A military, a police force, a legislature - these are all parts of a state. If one exists, a state exists, but a state can only exist alongside a government and a government can only exist alongside a state.

My masters degree is not in political science. Anything I tell you with respect to this topic is probably going to be second-rate information.

[Exalted Inquellian State]

I'll say no. Humanity will likely live in an automated society with non-sentient machines before transitioning to godhood in who knows how long.

[Sundiata]

I'll say no. Humanity will likely live in an automated society with non-sentient machines before transitioning to godhood in who knows how long.

Imagine the opulence.

[Imperium Latine]

I believe there is no final stage unless there are no more stages.
We're for ever evolving, for the better and worse, Humanity will never stop evolving until there are no more humans.
Until then, economical (among other) systems will fall and rise and some will last longer and others shorter times.

[Stylan]

Nope, communism, in the realest sense of the word, is, and it will come, and I will even live to see it. 2040-2050 the climate catastrophe will happen, and the neo-feudalism that will exist then will collapse, along with the economic system, and a massive cultural and political shift will occur, and humanity will start anew according to the principles of communism, but not in the Marxist-Leninist sense, not in the Maoist sense, not in the anarchist sense - in a new sense, a "neo-socialism," that's core principles are simply an unrelenting love for all of humanity and a desire to see it succeed.

[Nakena]

Nope, communism, in the realest sense of the word, is, and it will come, and I will even live to see it. 2040-2050 the climate catastrophe will happen, and the neo-feudalism that will exist then will collapse, along with the economic system, and a massive cultural and political shift will occur, and humanity will start anew according to the principles of communism, but not in the Marxist-Leninist sense, not in the Maoist sense, not in the anarchist sense - in a new sense, a "neo-socialism," that's core principles are simply an unrelenting love for all of humanity and a desire to see it succeed.

Thats rather optimistic but I understand now where you are coming from.

[Zoigai]

Captialism is just a part of a Government loop with the next stage being Captialist-Facism or somethin of that nature

[Sanghyeok]

Materials and services can be produced under any economic system.

Show me the Communist equivalent to a Rolex watch, a Louie Vuitton handbag, or a Bugatti Chiron. I'm not saying that command economies can't produce stuff. I am saying that Command economies don't produce the nice stuff, the luxuries.

A system like that is doomed to fail because that's what we want. The worst part, it doesn't even stop there. Each year the luxury goods get better.

Socialism is when you don't have Burberry, and if you don't even have Rolex that's communism.

[Valrifell]

Show me the Communist equivalent to a Rolex watch, a Louie Vuitton handbag, or a Bugatti Chiron. I'm not saying that command economies can't produce stuff. I am saying that Command economies don't produce the nice stuff, the luxuries.

A system like that is doomed to fail because that's what we want. The worst part, it doesn't even stop there. Each year the luxury goods get better.

Socialism is when you don't have Burberry, and if you don't even have Rolex that's communism.

Damn, I've been living in a socialist economy this whole time.

[Disgraces]

Show me the Communist equivalent to a Rolex watch, a Louie Vuitton handbag, or a Bugatti Chiron. I'm not saying that command economies can't produce stuff. I am saying that Command economies don't produce the nice stuff, the luxuries.

A system like that is doomed to fail because that's what we want. The worst part, it doesn't even stop there. Each year the luxury goods get better.

Socialism is when you don't have Burberry, and if you don't even have Rolex that's communism.

lol

[Jabberwocky]

Capitalism is an early stage. It scarcely works now. When we mature, we will dispense with it.

[Disgraces]

Capitalism is an early stage. It scarcely works now. When we mature, we will dispense with it.

Actually, it does work. Sadly, it working doesn't mean that's a good thing.

[Sanghyeok]

Capitalism is an early stage. It scarcely works now. When we mature, we will dispense with it.

Actually, it does work. Sadly, it working doesn't mean that's a good thing.

Capitalism is working exactly how it is meant to, which as you said is unfortunate for 95% of us.

[Sanghyeok]

Socialism is when you don't have Burberry, and if you don't even have Rolex that's communism.

Damn, I've been living in a socialist economy this whole time.

Curious how you didn't deny your Rolex ownership, bourgeoise!

[Imperium Latine]

Nope, communism, in the realest sense of the word, is, and it will come, and I will even live to see it. 2040-2050 the climate catastrophe will happen, and the neo-feudalism that will exist then will collapse, along with the economic system, and a massive cultural and political shift will occur, and humanity will start anew according to the principles of communism, but not in the Marxist-Leninist sense, not in the Maoist sense, not in the anarchist sense - in a new sense, a "neo-socialism," that's core principles are simply an unrelenting love for all of humanity and a desire to see it succeed.

I bet that if that happens it will end like any other communist regime so far and then in 2100 people will say things like "that wasn't real communism, not in the realest sense of the word".

[Valrifell]

Damn, I've been living in a socialist economy this whole time.

Curious how you didn't deny your Rolex ownership, bourgeoise!

N-no I swear I meant Communist. Please no guillotine I'm a good revolutionary I swear.

[Disgraces]

Curious how you didn't deny your Rolex ownership, bourgeoise!

N-no I swear I meant Communist. Please no guillotine I'm a good revolutionary I swear.

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The quote makes no sense in this context but whatever

[Exalted Inquellian State]

I'll say no. Humanity will likely live in an automated society with non-sentient machines before transitioning to godhood in who knows how long.

Imagine the opulence.

Yeah. Even better is if those israeli scientists were onto something and we invent biological immortality. Now you have at least a few hundred years to enjoy a mostly carefree life. Hopefully it doesn't turn people idiotic though.

[Senkaku]

I came to another conclusion, there is no final stage.

i would concur

That being said, let's say, for the sake of argument, there is. That there is a final stage.

?? why would we do that

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[Sundiata]

Imagine the opulence.

Yeah. Even better is if those israeli scientists were onto something and we invent biological immortality. Now you have at least a few hundred years to enjoy a mostly carefree life. Hopefully it doesn't turn people idiotic though.

I used to want to enjoy immortality but the reason why life is so valuable is because of its shortness. Also, if I were to live a long life I'd be more likely to sin, further expanding the space between myself and God. It's already hard enough to live virtuously.

[United Chinese Communes]

Anarchists (not anarcho-capitalists) are not saying that you should abolish the government. They identify the state and the government as two separate entities.

The state can be the government but the government is not necessarily the state in terms of political science.

But the only way a government can be enforced is via the influence of a state. If a government exists, then a state will inevitably exist alongside it, if not just to enforce its existence. A military, a police force, a legislature - these are all parts of a state. If one exists, a state exists, but a state can only exist alongside a government and a government can only exist alongside a state.

What makes you think that it will need to be enforced? If people's material and psychological needs are met, they are unlikely to partake in activity that would require the authority of a state to clamp down on.

[Salus Maior]

If people's material and psychological needs are met, they are unlikely to partake in activity that would require the authority of a state to clamp down on.

If that were true, we wouldn't have any millionare/billionaire criminals. Hell, probably not even middle-class criminals.

That isn't the case.