Is Capitalism "The Final Stage"?

[Partash]

Alright lads, let me give some context to what I mean "final stage" is. The "final stage" is a economic system so viable, so productive, so..seemingly well, that there is no need to advance past it. That it's a 'perfect' one in a sense, or at least perfect enough that there is no need to advance past this. When I heard about this argument on a forum once, I took a quick second to think. I came to another conclusion, there is no final stage.

That being said, let's say, for the sake of argument, there is. That there is a final stage. I am asking all; is capitalism it? Have we reached the point where capitalism is the final stage?

Personally? No. I am a democratic confederalist, and I believe in some form of socialism, one which I can't put my finger on, will be it. Maybe it'll be the 'right-wing' of the left, Social Democracy. Maybe it'll be marxist-leninism. However, it's hard to say. I seriously doubt there is a final stage anyway.

Anyway NS, what do you think?

[Kowani]

well, considering its destroying the planet as we speak, probably not

[Esternial]

The perfect economic system is a hybrid system.

Always diversify your portfolio.

[Atheris]

...I don't know.

I believe the most optimal form of economy is fully automated luxury (gay space) communism. However, I also believe that this is completely impossible and it's illogical for it to happen or to wish for it to happen, so it can't be the Final Stage. What about social democracy? It's what I ascribe to, but I still think there are ways to improve on that fundamental theory that haven't yet been and in many cases won't be reached.

For modern society, I think that yes, capitalism is the final stage. But for societies in the future? Maybe even a hundred years, a thousand?

I don't know, and it's impossible to say.

(I voted options 3 and 5, by the way.)

[Alcala-Cordel]

No, all previous systems were once considered to be the end point of society and capitalism is no different.

[United Chinese Communes]

In the sense that capitalism may end up driving us to extinction if things go on as they are, quite possibly. Other than that, no, I don't believe it is.

[Clton 3]

no
Post-Scarcity is the final stage

[Sundiata]

no
Post-Scarcity is the final stage

Yeah.

[Disgraces]

Capitalism isn't a mixed regulated economy with government intervention so no

[Sundiata]

Capitalism isn't a mixed regulated economy with government intervention so no

Capitalism is where the means of production are privately owned for the purposes of profit.

[Adamede]

I don’t think there is a final stage.

Or if I’m there is it’s a reversion to hunter gatherers following societal collapse.

[Partash]

I don’t think there is a final stage.

Or if I’m there is it’s a reversion to hunter gatherers following societal collapse.

Return to monkey.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

no
Post-Scarcity is the final stage

If such a post-scarcity invention existed the Capitalists would steal it and sell it to the highest bidder, leaving the rest of humanity fucked.

[Cordel One]

no
Post-Scarcity is the final stage

Most scarcity only exists because the bourgeoise artificially maintain it.

[United Chinese Communes]

I don’t think there is a final stage.

Or if I’m there is it’s a reversion to hunter gatherers following societal collapse.

I do sometimes wonder if this whole civilisation thing is just an aberration, and that's why we don't see any spacefaring alien societies out there.

[Sanghyeok]

In the sense that capitalism may end up driving us to extinction if things go on as they are, quite possibly. Other than that, no, I don't believe it is.

I agree with you- capitalism would only be the final stage if we don't survive to the next stage. Otherwise, communism is the foreseeable final stage, although something may follow communism.

[Disgraces]

Capitalism isn't a mixed regulated economy with government intervention so no

Capitalism is where the means of production are privately owned for the purposes of profit.

That doesn't contradict what I said.

[Nilokeras]

History isn't a linear process with an endpoint, whether it be capitalism or communism. Complex systems don't behave that way.

[Atheris]

In the sense that capitalism may end up driving us to extinction if things go on as they are, quite possibly. Other than that, no, I don't believe it is.

I agree with you- capitalism would only be the final stage if we don't survive to the next stage. Otherwise, communism is the foreseeable final stage, although something may follow communism.

Communism is an unsustainable stage, if it ever becomes a stage at all. If it could be created, let alone maintained, it would be a decent stage. Unfortunately, communism is not only nonsustainable but unable to be realistically created in an advanced society.

[Sundiata]

Capitalism is where the means of production are privately owned for the purposes of profit.

That doesn't counter what I said.

That's because what you said is wrong.

[Cordel One]

I agree with you- capitalism would only be the final stage if we don't survive to the next stage. Otherwise, communism is the foreseeable final stage, although something may follow communism.

Communism is an unsustainable stage, if it ever becomes a stage at all. If it could be created, let alone maintained, it would be a decent stage. Unfortunately, communism is not only nonsustainable but unable to be realistically created in an advanced society.

None of this is true.

[New haven america]

no
Post-Scarcity is the final stage

If such a post-scarcity invention existed the Capitalists would steal it and sell it to the highest bidder, leaving the rest of humanity fucked.

That's apparently what happened in Alex Kurtzman's Star Trek.

[Adamede]

I don’t think there is a final stage.

Or if I’m there is it’s a reversion to hunter gatherers following societal collapse.

I do sometimes wonder if this whole civilisation thing is just an aberration, and that's why we don't see any spacefaring alien societies out there.

It’s a possibility. One probably greater than the others.

[Disgraces]

That doesn't counter what I said.

That's because what you said is wrong.

Explain how it is wrong. Capitalism is when most or all means of productions are privately owned, doesn't matter whether the markets are free or regulated. Socialism is when most or all means of production are socially owned. A mix of both is a mixed economy.

[Sanghyeok]

I agree with you- capitalism would only be the final stage if we don't survive to the next stage. Otherwise, communism is the foreseeable final stage, although something may follow communism.

Communism is an unsustainable stage, if it ever becomes a stage at all. If it could be created, let alone maintained, it would be a decent stage. Unfortunately, communism is not only nonsustainable but unable to be realistically created in an advanced society.

I'm sure feudal lords used to say the same about capitalism, but here were are, selling our bodies nine hours a day to earn meager wages.