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Do liberals hate poor people? 「Yes or No」

Postby Shin-Mutsu » Sat Dec 12, 2020 9:57 am

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While many liberal politicians suggest that they would make concessions to improve lives of working people as opposed to their more corporate opponents, it often appears that they fail to deliver their empty promises beyond shallow gestures. Meanwhile, these same politicians appear quite happy to cooperate with conservatives when it comes to catering to the needs of corporations. After all, only the rich can win in elections dominated by corporate influence. This leads many of us to wonder about the relationship between liberals and the poor. Despite their claims of suporting equality, I often encounter liberals making nasty comments, deriding voters of certain groups as merely poor, and associating their poverty with uncleanliness or stupidity. Others, despite their outward commitment to equality, nevertheless echo claims such as "the poor deserve it" or "minimum wage workers do not deserve a living wage."

With that being said, do liberals hate the poor? I personally believe there are many who simply refuse to admit to their own classist ideals.
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Postby Federal Asia » Sat Dec 12, 2020 9:59 am

Of course

The difference between liberals and conservatives is that the liberals say the same things as the conservatives, but without the profanities

Even their whole "redneck-bashing" and euromania screams snobbery
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Postby Korasta » Sat Dec 12, 2020 9:59 am

By the very nature of centrist and right-wing political ideologies, liberalism is classist. It believes that there should be a poor and downtrodden, and that there should be a rich and treading-on.
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Postby Shin-Mutsu » Sat Dec 12, 2020 9:59 am

-Ra- wrote:No. Socialists hate poor people despite thinking that their policies somehow help the working class.

Next question.


And here comes our resident anti-socialist.
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Federal Asia wrote:Of course

The difference between liberals and conservatives is that the liberals say the same things as the conservatives, but without the profanities


And with more rainbows while mostly failing to commit to actual changes that would address issues like systematic racism or lack of LGBT inclusion.
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Postby Honeydewistania » Sat Dec 12, 2020 10:00 am

-Ra- wrote:No. Socialists hate poor people despite thinking that their policies somehow help the working class.

Next question.


No, you hate poor people. Being in favour of capitalism means supporting the financial ruin of the working class.
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Postby Wink Wonk We Like Stonks » Sat Dec 12, 2020 10:01 am

-Ra- wrote:No. Socialists hate poor people despite thinking that their policies somehow help the working class.

Next question.

socialism is when you hate the poor, that's rich coming from a capitalist
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Postby Peatiktist » Sat Dec 12, 2020 10:01 am

Do they hate poor people?
No.

Do they intentionally lie so that more people vote for them?
Of course. That's how politics work.
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Wink Wonk We Like Stonks wrote:socialism is when you hate the poor, that's rich coming from a capitalist

Yes chad.

Federal Asia wrote:Of course

The difference between liberals and conservatives is that the liberals say the same things as the conservatives, but without the profanities

Even their whole "redneck-bashing" and euromania screams snobbery

Always excited to know what the CCP and Putin stan has to say.

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Postby -Ra- » Sat Dec 12, 2020 10:02 am

Honeydewistania wrote:
-Ra- wrote:No. Socialists hate poor people despite thinking that their policies somehow help the working class.

Next question.


No, you hate poor people. Being in favour of capitalism means supporting the financial ruin of the working class.

Being in favour of socialism means supporting the financial ruin of the working class... and the middle class, and the upper class. It means supporting the ruin of everyone, reallly.

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Most liberals don't.
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Postby New yugoslavaia » Sat Dec 12, 2020 10:04 am

Shin-Mutsu wrote:
-Ra- wrote:No. Socialists hate poor people despite thinking that their policies somehow help the working class.

Next question.


And here comes our resident anti-socialist.


If you couldn't already guess by the sig.

Seriously. I've heard of strawman's and black & white fallacies, but saying the entire left wing half of the political spectrum (including anarchists) wants to enforce authoritarianism like it's an single entity? Complete nonsense.
Either -Ra- is very young or very foolish.
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Postby Honeydewistania » Sat Dec 12, 2020 10:05 am

New yugoslavaia wrote:
Shin-Mutsu wrote:
And here comes our resident anti-socialist.


If you couldn't already guess by the sig.

Seriously. I've heard of strawman's and black & white fallacies, but saying the entire left wing half of the political spectrum (including anarchists) wants to enforce authoritarianism like it's an single entity? Complete nonsense.
Either -Ra- is very young or very foolish.

How about both?
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Postby Hurdergaryp » Sat Dec 12, 2020 10:05 am

Honeydewistania wrote:
-Ra- wrote:No. Socialists hate poor people despite thinking that their policies somehow help the working class.

Next question.

No, you hate poor people. Being in favour of capitalism means supporting the financial ruin of the working class.

Well, of course. After all, rightism ought not be understood as a concrete political ideology, but rather as a counterculture movement whose principal aim is the total overthrow of democratic society. That way you can strip the working class of any political power.


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New yugoslavaia wrote:If you couldn't already guess by the sig.

Seriously. I've heard of strawman's and black & white fallacies, but saying the entire left wing half of the political spectrum (including anarchists) wants to enforce authoritarianism like it's an single entity? Complete nonsense.
Either -Ra- is very young or very foolish.

I mean, just because you say you oppose authoritarianism doesn't mean you will actually stand against it when the time comes. I've seen time and time again so-called libertarian leftists excuse the terrible actions of authoritarian leftist regimes just to own the libs. We all know that left-wingers side with authoritarianism in the end.

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The Reformed American Republic wrote:Most liberals don't.

This^


That's what I think at least
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Thermodolia wrote:Can we stop doing these pointless threads? Yes or No?


Just because they make you uncomfortable it doesn't mean they are pointless bud
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Sort of.
There’s (typically) not the sort of virulent loathing that you get from, say, the KKK towards middle easterners.
Their policies, though? Might as well be based on a place of hatred, the effective difference is tiny.
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Some do probably. Most? Nah dont think so.
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Thermodolia wrote:Can we stop doing these pointless threads? Yes or No?

This is NationStates General, so you already know the answer to that question.


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Federal Asia wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Can we stop doing these pointless threads? Yes or No?


Just because they make you uncomfortable it doesn't mean they are pointless bud

They don’t make me uncomfortable they are literally pointless copycats following the same basic boring formula
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Postby The Sherpa Empire » Sat Dec 12, 2020 10:09 am

Hating the poor is not a liberal position.

However, it's possible for people to be liberal on some issues without being liberal on all issues.

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Postby Sanghyeok » Sat Dec 12, 2020 10:10 am

Hurdergaryp wrote:
Honeydewistania wrote:No, you hate poor people. Being in favour of capitalism means supporting the financial ruin of the working class.

Well, of course. After all, rightism ought not be understood as a concrete political ideology, but rather as a counterculture movement whose principal aim is the total overthrow of democratic society. That way you can strip the working class of any political power.


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