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PostPosted: Sun Dec 13, 2020 9:44 am
by Western Fardelshufflestein
Pope Saint Peter the Apostle wrote:This is a discussion so silly it could only happen on NSG.

Yup. Dissolution of the government is a terrible idea, in my opinion.

PostPosted: Sun Dec 13, 2020 10:01 am
by Adamede
Western Fardelshufflestein wrote:
Pope Saint Peter the Apostle wrote:This is a discussion so silly it could only happen on NSG.

Yup. Dissolution of the government is a terrible idea, in my opinion.

I’m generally surprised by the number of people who think Balkanization is a good thing. The event that created that name resulted in thousands of people dead and multiple genocides. But everyone find their courage on the internet I guess.

PostPosted: Sun Dec 13, 2020 10:02 am
by Sanghyeok
Adamede wrote:
Western Fardelshufflestein wrote:Yup. Dissolution of the government is a terrible idea, in my opinion.

I’m generally surprised by the number of people who think Balkanization is a good thing. The event that created that name resulted in thousands of people dead and multiple genocides. But everyone find their courage on the internet I guess.


I'm genuinely worried about this possibility, and I hope it doesn't happen until far in the future when nations no longer exist.

PostPosted: Sun Dec 13, 2020 10:06 am
by Adamede
Sanghyeok wrote:
Adamede wrote:I’m generally surprised by the number of people who think Balkanization is a good thing. The event that created that name resulted in thousands of people dead and multiple genocides. But everyone find their courage on the internet I guess.


I'm genuinely worried about this possibility, and I hope it doesn't happen until far in the future when nations no longer exist.

That’s generally what for how for too. At most peaceful separation, such as with Czechoslovakia (although that may not be the best example from what I’ve read, as popular support at the time wasn’t for it.)

PostPosted: Sun Dec 13, 2020 10:06 am
by Sanghyeok
Adamede wrote:
Sanghyeok wrote:
I'm genuinely worried about this possibility, and I hope it doesn't happen until far in the future when nations no longer exist.

That’s generally what for how for too. At most peaceful separation, such as with Czechoslovakia (although that may not be the best example from what I’ve read, as popular support at the time wasn’t for it.)


Even peaceful separation could be disastrous at a time like this when tensions are quite high.

PostPosted: Sun Dec 13, 2020 10:09 am
by Imperial Rifta
No No no no no. Crime and chaos would rule.

PostPosted: Sun Dec 13, 2020 10:11 am
by Territories of Illinois
Atheris wrote:
Kubra wrote: I prefer direct rule from Phoenix

D I R E C T
R U L E
F R O M
D E N V E R

Direct rule from Springfield for me!

PostPosted: Sun Dec 13, 2020 10:13 am
by Territories of Illinois
Adamede wrote:
Western Fardelshufflestein wrote:Yup. Dissolution of the government is a terrible idea, in my opinion.

I’m generally surprised by the number of people who think Balkanization is a good thing. The event that created that name resulted in thousands of people dead and multiple genocides. But everyone find their courage on the internet I guess.

I don’t think Anyone is advocating genocide her sir

PostPosted: Sun Dec 13, 2020 10:15 am
by Atheris
Sanghyeok wrote:
Adamede wrote:I’m generally surprised by the number of people who think Balkanization is a good thing. The event that created that name resulted in thousands of people dead and multiple genocides. But everyone find their courage on the internet I guess.


I'm genuinely worried about this possibility, and I hope it doesn't happen until far in the future when nations no longer exist.

Nations will always exist. There's a nation of Americans, a nation of Basques, a nation of Turks, and a nation of Kurds. Nations will always exist as an inevitability.

PostPosted: Sun Dec 13, 2020 10:15 am
by Sanghyeok
Territories of Illinois wrote:
Adamede wrote:I’m generally surprised by the number of people who think Balkanization is a good thing. The event that created that name resulted in thousands of people dead and multiple genocides. But everyone find their courage on the internet I guess.

I don’t think Anyone is advocating genocide her sir

Nobody is advocating for genocide, but it comes with Balkanisation just like restaurants always ruin my chocolate cape by adding "complementary" coffee.

PostPosted: Sun Dec 13, 2020 10:16 am
by Sanghyeok
Atheris wrote:
Sanghyeok wrote:
I'm genuinely worried about this possibility, and I hope it doesn't happen until far in the future when nations no longer exist.

Nations will always exist. There's a nation of Americans, a nation of Basques, a nation of Turks, and a nation of Kurds. Nations will always exist as an inevitability.


I meant nationstates.

PostPosted: Sun Dec 13, 2020 10:18 am
by Atheris
Sanghyeok wrote:
Atheris wrote:Nations will always exist. There's a nation of Americans, a nation of Basques, a nation of Turks, and a nation of Kurds. Nations will always exist as an inevitability.


I meant nationstates.

Nationstates are also an inevitability. As long as there is a nation, there will be people who fight for it, especially in dictatorships like a global empire or a global socialist vanguard state. We've seen it in Russia, in Yugoslavia, in China, in Japan, and in Britain. Nothing is an exception.

PostPosted: Sun Dec 13, 2020 10:22 am
by Adamede
Sanghyeok wrote:
Adamede wrote:That’s generally what for how for too. At most peaceful separation, such as with Czechoslovakia (although that may not be the best example from what I’ve read, as popular support at the time wasn’t for it.)


Even peaceful separation could be disastrous at a time like this when tensions are quite high.

Oh yah I know what you mean. My inner American nationalism aside, I’m generally in favor of reform over throwing out an entire thing.

PostPosted: Sun Dec 13, 2020 10:43 am
by Sanghyeok
Atheris wrote:
Sanghyeok wrote:
I meant nationstates.

Nationstates are also an inevitability. As long as there is a nation, there will be people who fight for it, especially in dictatorships like a global empire or a global socialist vanguard state. We've seen it in Russia, in Yugoslavia, in China, in Japan, and in Britain. Nothing is an exception.


Nothing is inevitable.

PostPosted: Sun Dec 13, 2020 10:45 am
by Atheris
Sanghyeok wrote:
Atheris wrote:Nationstates are also an inevitability. As long as there is a nation, there will be people who fight for it, especially in dictatorships like a global empire or a global socialist vanguard state. We've seen it in Russia, in Yugoslavia, in China, in Japan, and in Britain. Nothing is an exception.


Nothing is inevitable.

Patently false.

PostPosted: Sun Dec 13, 2020 10:46 am
by Sanghyeok
Atheris wrote:
Sanghyeok wrote:
Nothing is inevitable.

Patently false.

I don't think you can point to the future and say something is inevitable. Except perhaps the end of our universe, but even then.

PostPosted: Sun Dec 13, 2020 10:47 am
by Middle Barael
No. Just no.

PostPosted: Sun Dec 13, 2020 11:12 am
by Necroghastia
Territories of Illinois wrote:
Adamede wrote:I’m generally surprised by the number of people who think Balkanization is a good thing. The event that created that name resulted in thousands of people dead and multiple genocides. But everyone find their courage on the internet I guess.

I don’t think Anyone is advocating genocide her sir


Territories of Illinois wrote:
Necroghastia wrote:Absolutely not, holy shit.

Yeah, no, there are times when I seriously believe the federal government is the only thing stopping some states from becoming repressive theocracies.

if they want to become theocracies thats their choice, the federal government stopping it is just suppressing democracy

PostPosted: Sun Dec 13, 2020 11:20 am
by Adamede
Territories of Illinois wrote:
Adamede wrote:I’m generally surprised by the number of people who think Balkanization is a good thing. The event that created that name resulted in thousands of people dead and multiple genocides. But everyone find their courage on the internet I guess.

I don’t think Anyone is advocating genocide her sir

Maybe not directly, but balkanziation results in destabilization, which results in death and suffering. At best it goes like the Soviet Union, where an entire generation of young men killed the endives with crime and drugs, at worst it goes like Yugoslavia, with war and genocide. I’d argue that the world would’ve been better off if those two nations reformed instead of collapsing.

PostPosted: Sun Dec 13, 2020 11:34 am
by Western Fardelshufflestein
I am also concerned about the inevitable downfall of NationStates. Nothing on this world is eternal, alas.

PostPosted: Sun Dec 13, 2020 1:11 pm
by Kubra
Territories of Illinois wrote:
Atheris wrote:D I R E C T
R U L E
F R O M
D E N V E R

Direct rule from Springfield for me!
Bismark will rise, north dakota will become all dakota

PostPosted: Sun Dec 13, 2020 1:36 pm
by Kowani
We’re gonna need a bigger bucket.

PostPosted: Sun Dec 13, 2020 1:54 pm
by Atheris
Territories of Illinois wrote:
Atheris wrote:D I R E C T
R U L E
F R O M
D E N V E R

Direct rule from Springfield for me!

'Twas making a Kaiserreich joke.

Plus, 'direct rule from Richmond' makes me sound like a neo-Confederate traitor.

PostPosted: Sun Dec 13, 2020 2:04 pm
by Torisakia
The Reformed American Republic wrote:
Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
While black people are disproportionately killed by cops, I wouldn't say there's an organized effort to kill blacks going on, hence not a genocide. Our country definitely is murderous though.

He hates the entire US according to his sig, so he'll be the type to exaggerate our wrongs.

Is it really exaggerating if all the issues I've stated are actually occurring?

PostPosted: Sun Dec 13, 2020 2:11 pm
by Atheris
Torisakia wrote:
The Reformed American Republic wrote:He hates the entire US according to his sig, so he'll be the type to exaggerate our wrongs.

Is it really exaggerating if all the issues I've stated are actually occurring?

Yes.