Should the United States Federal government be dissolved?

[Nazeroth]

The Federal government should be increased at it's current pace, states rights should be abolished and a centralized government established in DC to crush dissent, Puerto rico and other territories need to be directly absorbed into the "union".

The Democrats need to expand the court as well since they now have control.

also vastly more power needs to be given to the FBI to investigate domestic terror.

I see you get the bigger picture, the Federal Government is not given enough power, it needs to truly become a Leviathan of a government.

The iron fist of the state must be wielded with power to protect the nation and it's people.

[United Latin American States]

I see you get the bigger picture, the Federal Government is not given enough power, it needs to truly become a Leviathan of a government.

The iron fist of the state must be wielded with power to protect the nation and it's people.

Exactly, not of the people, nor by the people, but for the people

[Alentejozinho and Algarvezinho]

Speaking as a Chinese bot: I say YES!

Sent from my Hwawei

[Adamede]

The iron fist of the state must be wielded with power to protect the nation and it's people.

Exactly, not of the people, nor by the people, but for the people

Yah that’s not how it tends to work out when the government is given near unlimited power.

The idea of an enlightened despot or oligarchy ruling everything efficiently and wisely is an attractive but ultimately idiotic idea.

[The Emerald Legion]

The last four years has taught me the federal government is incompetent as such I deliver the death penalty and now the state governments shall rule as national governments.

The federal government isn’t incompetent just the people leading it are. I’m sure if we all led the feds it would be an efficient Machine. Well either that or absolute hell

Could you imagine me as head of the federal government? It would be a nightmare.

[Cordel One]

This topic reads like it was made for parliamentary debate.

[Jedi Council]

Yes, then let the British reconquer the colonies and establish a parliamentary democracy.

[The Two Jerseys]

The federal government isn’t incompetent just the people leading it are. I’m sure if we all led the feds it would be an efficient Machine. Well either that or absolute hell

Could you imagine me as head of the federal government? It would be a nightmare.

Them: "Trump is a dictator!"

Me: "You ain't seen nothin' yet. B-B-B-Baby, you just ain't seen n-n-n-nothin' yet. Here's something that you're never gonna forget. B-B-B-Baby, you just ain't seen n-n-n-nothin' yet."

[Western Fardelshufflestein]

Yes, then let the British reconquer the colonies and establish a parliamentary democracy.

Nah. We'll just make Britain the 51^st state.

[Kedri]

Not dissolved, no, but I do think a lot of our problems are due to making things a part of the federal government that were never really surpposed to be federal issues in the first place.

With a nation as vast as the U.S. in both size and population and all its diversity, I think it's best to return a lot of power to the states (as long as it's not a human or civil rights issue.)

With a strong central government, politics becomes more vitriolic as each side has more to lose.

[The Federal State of China]

At least 3 of my ancestors fought and served in the American Revolution, at least 4 of my ancestors fought and served in the War of 1812, at least 3 of my ancestors fought in the US Civil War, my Great Grandfather was drafted and fought and served in WWI, and my Grandfather fought and served in the Korean War era. I refuse to let the country my ancestors fought so hard for to cease from existence.

[ImperialRussia]

No the Is Us federal government should govern more of people lives meaning big government solves the issues of the people and foreign terrorism that stand against it. The evil that is big government should solve get control of the internet and you control of the people and the people will sleep a night peace not fighting against big government that solves most of their issues and not care what the other party say because patriotism is right wing they never should have stormed congress they were lead astray will they let these protesters in so they were framed at the start and now there will never a revolt like this ever happen big Government will always prevail all of its testimony keeping the mass at night never a care eating their hamburgers never to care because big Government controls social media and news to denounce revolts that will never happen again what they in congress no revolt will happen because the people should at peace not giving a change government with violence as their should change government with peace ya that ever gonna happen again peace Na it will never change as long their is violence their will be change Washington did before for independence but now its just Cowardice these days and big loafs being stupid and not know what up against there up against a den of snakes their just mice being lead to become prey for the snakes to take control of the people and assert control because no one will. This what happens in corrupt democracies like these they use lawful evil to assert control over the people for their benefit what happen in congress the power will shift to tranny to assert peace with violence with peace for those who fight with swords. The way I see it is lawful evil taking over you cannot take over this country if your domestic unless your Foreign Super Power then May be you can shifting western democracy into dystopia becoming Tyrannical super government that democracy will never return too. Then I say you can’t take over this country if your domestic unless your a foreign super power then yes.

[USS Monitor]

Articles of Confederation did not work. Even if we moved to a more decentralized system, you would want to try something new, and try to avoid repeating the mistakes from the Articles.

[Risottia]

I would prefer state governments to be dissolved over the federal.

Dissolve both and become a province of Canada.

[Aequalitatis ac Libertatis]

Hell no.

Among many other reasons, it would go against America's value of unity. We are one nation indivisible, not simply fifty states.

[Jedi Council]

No.

Within a week you would have Texas invading New Mexico and New York blockading New Jersey.

The US Federal Government (The US in general really) is royally fucked up, but that doesnt mean we need to throw the baby out with the bathwater.

[Loben III]

Dissolved? no. greatly weakened? Yes.

[The United Confederacy of Texas]

Hell no, I like the current system of federalism, any attempt to dismantle it will result in a shitshow

[Narland]

Q1. Should the United States Federal government be dissolved?

... here are some questions to consider when discussing this topic:
Q2a. Is secession legal,
Q2b. and does the 10th amendment protect that right?
Q3. Would states be better off without the intervention of the federal government?
Q4. If we did decide to dissolve the federal government, should we replace it with something modeled off a mutual friendship/league like the Articles of Confederation, or an economic union such as the EU?

A1. No. The United States has always been disparate States united by a Federal Constitution and a disparate People dedicated to the unifying principles of constitutional due process, limited government, extreme liberty and unrelenting equality. The biggest problem has been the cancerous growth of the rational administrative state supplanting Constitutional Federalism on the one hand, and Constitutional Self-Governance on the other. Another main problem is our high mobility and the Ugly American Complex wherein those who move to another State fail to realize they are literally moving to another State with its own Constitution, its own heritage, its own dominant subculture, its own history and its own way of doing things. They arrogantly assume that their new State should bend over backwards to conform itself to the State they left, instead of doing the right thing, and conforming themselves to their new State. They then wonder why there is such a backlash against them. A third main problem related to the rise of the all encompassing administrative state is of course the ideological intolerance of divergent opinion that comes with increased Statism. These problems can be overcome with time and effort.

A2a. IIRC, Only Texas may leave the Union with just a vote of its legislature and a signature from its governor. Alaska and Hawaii can leave, but the mechanisms are convoluted and very unlikely to happen. Most of the other States must change their respective Constitutions, and the Congress must be willing to amend the US Constitution for them to do so. This is even more unlikely. The militarily conquered states of the former Confederacy (other than Texas) can never leave the Union unless ceded by Congress to another sovereign state (if Congress remains true to Reconstruction).

A2b. The 10th Amendment recognizes to the State the implied the right of self-preservation against the unlawful usurpation of the State of the United States (the Federal Government), but that must be fought and won militarily, as the Southern States discovered.

A3. Yes. The Federal Government is delegated 17 specific powers to 23 expressed functions by the States and the People in the Constitution. My State is delegated 124 specific powers directly to it by the People of Idaho in its Constitution. My county Charter does the over 5000 delegated functions by special districts and County Ordinances (library, police, fire, ambulance, roads schools, etc) paid by local taxes to maintain the infrastructure and keep the peace. The civic organizations of my community, my church, my family, and my person do the rest. Those who live in cities may find that they are paying taxes for over 10,000 special districts (government functions) and 100s of thousands of ordinances).

The more the Federal Government gets out of the way in things not pertaining to interstate fraud and extortion, invasion and insurrection, the better of we all are as a People. At this time the Federal Government cannot even do well the handful of limited responsibility that it was given without waste, fraud, and abuse, but is over reaching to do the thousands if not 10s of thousands of things that are constitutionally delegated to the several States , their Counties, and Municipalities or reserved to the People. This duplication of governance in most cases is unnecessary, and does violence to the Federal and State Constitutions and the principles of limited government.

Q4. To overgeneralize, the Federal government was set up as a Federal Union for all matters concerning the State (of the United States) and international commerce, and as a Federation of States in regards to governance (government in the European sense) and in regards to interstate trade. Most of this distinction is has been lost due to the Civil War, subsequent Amendments, Supreme Court decisions, the rise of the extra-constitutional Fabianist rational administrative state, war powers acts, emergency war powers acts, the so-called patriot act, and other 911 legislative abominations, The New Deal, The Great Society, Hope and Chains, and presidents acting with unconstitutional dictatorial powers. A reformation to our founding principles would be the best course of action (imo).

The problem with the Articles of Confederation (unlike what I was taught in school) was that it gave the Central government too much power and no fiscal authority without a super-majority/unanimity of the States (other than to print Continentals). No State was going to give the Confederate government enough money to usurp State's lawful powers, even if that meant starving the troops. It was like herding cats. it is a miracle that Washington was able to command the troops let alone that the US even won.

Before the Civil War a Confederacy had a stronger central government than a Federal Government (which was closer to a Federation). After the Civil War because of the US, a Federal government is now considered to be more centralized than a Confederacy. Our Revolutionary War was actually a Civil War (to retain the rights of all Englishmen), and our Civil War was actually Revolutionary War (it revolutionized the relationship between the States and the Federal Government turning the Federal Government into a National Government). Before the Civil War we were "these united States" (domestically) and "these United States" (internationally). After the Civil War (which as already stated was revolutionary) we became "This Untied States" both domestically and internationally.

The EU is no mere economic Union. It is for all practical intents and purposes the nascent formation of a neo-feudal post-democracy Empire by the descendants of the old aristocracies using the globalism of the old monies to reassert themselves back into relevance as the new overlords of a United Europe above the parliamentarian rule that limited or removed the elite statuses of their forebears . They have no intention of allowing free and open markets of the average individual without overbearing regulatory control, Statist mandates, and and confiscatory taxation. No thank you.

A reformation to our founding principles would be the best course of action (imo).

[Exxosia]

We should dissolve ALL governments in the US and reform as the US 2.0. Basically the governments of the US have become so broken and corrupt and have strayed so far from viable, that it is time to restart the country. We look over all of the problems that have been revealed over the course of the nation, make an updated version of the BOR and Constitution that curtails those problems, strip all politicians and their families of all holdings, and start anew. With any luck, we can go another 200 years before the problems become cataclysmic again.

As it is now, the US is a country-scale sunk costs fallacy. It's time to stop repairing the old US and just upgrade to the new model.

[The Blaatschapen]

I would prefer state governments to be dissolved over the federal.

Dissolve both and become a province of Canada.

Nah, make them a territory instead.

[The Two Jerseys]

No.

Within a week you would have Texas invading New Mexico and New York blockading New Jersey.

The US Federal Government (The US in general really) is royally fucked up, but that doesnt mean we need to throw the baby out with the bathwater.

God, New Jersey would get carved up like Poland...

[Western Fardelshufflestein]

No.

Within a week you would have Texas invading New Mexico and New York blockading New Jersey.

The US Federal Government (The US in general really) is royally fucked up, but that doesnt mean we need to throw the baby out with the bathwater.

God, New Jersey would get carved up like Poland...

New York: Oh no!

Anyway.

[Stellar Colonies]

I would prefer state governments to be dissolved over the federal.

Dissolve both and become a province of Canada.

*Almost 90% of Canada's population is now American*

[Western Fardelshufflestein]

Dissolve both and become a province of Canada.

*Almost 90% of Canada's population is now American*

Canada should become North Montana: the 51^st state in the Union. (Yes, this is a joke.)