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Postby Der Befreier » Sun Dec 13, 2020 4:51 pm

Torisakia wrote:
Der Befreier wrote:
As I said, it needs to be remedied ASAP.

That's honestly wishful thinking. This will continue to be an issue for decades to come.


I’m not so sure. I don’t live in America myself, and I’m aware that the media as a whole overhypes things, but from what I’m seeing tensions in the US are at a boiling point. As in “the lid is rattling around on the pot”.
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Postby Torisakia » Sun Dec 13, 2020 4:52 pm

Der Befreier wrote:
Torisakia wrote:That's honestly wishful thinking. This will continue to be an issue for decades to come.


I’m not so sure. I don’t live in America myself, and I’m aware that the media as a whole overhypes things, but from what I’m seeing tensions in the US are at a boiling point. As in “the lid is rattling around on the pot”.

It was that way a little over 160 years ago. But all of that is a discussion for a different thread I assume.
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Postby Pope Saint Peter the Apostle » Sun Dec 13, 2020 5:06 pm

Torisakia wrote:
Der Befreier wrote:
I’m not so sure. I don’t live in America myself, and I’m aware that the media as a whole overhypes things, but from what I’m seeing tensions in the US are at a boiling point. As in “the lid is rattling around on the pot”.

It was that way a little over 160 years ago. But all of that is a discussion for a different thread I assume.

I mean 155 years ago slavery was abolished in the US, so it seemed to have worked then.
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Postby Adamede » Sun Dec 13, 2020 5:20 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:
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Honestly, America is the best possible name for the Union for a lot of reasons.

Britain 2.0

Greater Britain.

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Postby Atheris » Sun Dec 13, 2020 5:24 pm

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Ethel mermania wrote:Britain 2.0

Greater Britain.

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Postby Adamede » Sun Dec 13, 2020 5:28 pm

No State Here wrote:I would have said yes five months ago, but no, the government is needed for some very basic things like defense and security. Taxation can fuck right off, though

How is it going to provide defense and security without taxes?
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Torisakia wrote:That's honestly wishful thinking. This will continue to be an issue for decades to come.


I’m not so sure. I don’t live in America myself, and I’m aware that the media as a whole overhypes things, but from what I’m seeing tensions in the US are at a boiling point. As in “the lid is rattling around on the pot”.

Call me when congressmen are killing each other on the debate floor.

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Postby American Pere Housh » Sun Dec 13, 2020 5:32 pm

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Postby Der Befreier » Sun Dec 13, 2020 5:40 pm

Call me when congressmen are killing each other on the debate floor.

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Postby Adamede » Sun Dec 13, 2020 5:44 pm

Der Befreier wrote:
Call me when congressmen are killing each other on the debate floor.

:eyebrow:

My bad, the killing didn’t happen in a Congress itself.

https://history.house.gov/Historical-Highlights/1800-1850/A-fatal-duel-between-Members-in-1838/

https://www.history.com/news/charles-sumner-caning-cilley-duel-congressional-violence

As divided as Americans may (appear) to be now, this is nothing to divide that slavery created in the nation.

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Postby Atheris » Sun Dec 13, 2020 5:44 pm

Der Befreier wrote:
Call me when congressmen are killing each other on the debate floor.

:eyebrow:

Congressman-on-Congressman attempted murder was quite popular in the years leading up to the Civil War.
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Postby The Reformed American Republic » Sun Dec 13, 2020 5:57 pm

Atheris wrote:
Der Befreier wrote: :eyebrow:

Congressman-on-Congressman attempted murder was quite popular in the years leading up to the Civil War.

It many become common again in the coming years.
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Postby Der Befreier » Sun Dec 13, 2020 5:58 pm

Atheris wrote:
Der Befreier wrote: :eyebrow:

Congressman-on-Congressman attempted murder was quite popular in the years leading up to the Civil War.


Ah yes.

True. You don’t have that in the US at current. However, the armed militias, radical activists groups from spectrum to spectrum, and the riots aren’t exactly signs of coming peace either.
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Postby Adamede » Sun Dec 13, 2020 5:59 pm

Der Befreier wrote:
Atheris wrote:Congressman-on-Congressman attempted murder was quite popular in the years leading up to the Civil War.


Ah yes.

True. You don’t have that in the US at current. However, the armed militias, radical activists groups from spectrum to spectrum, and the riots aren’t exactly signs of coming peace either.

That’s most of US history.

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Postby The Three Palins » Sun Dec 13, 2020 9:01 pm

Great idea. Fifty random shaped countries with vastly different resources. Like Africa!
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Postby Western Fardelshufflestein » Sun Dec 13, 2020 10:29 pm

Adamede wrote:
Der Befreier wrote:
Ah yes.

True. You don’t have that in the US at current. However, the armed militias, radical activists groups from spectrum to spectrum, and the riots aren’t exactly signs of coming peace either.

That’s most of US history.

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Postby FutureAmerica » Tue Dec 15, 2020 4:51 pm

If it was dissolved, a civil war will breakout that will evolve into WWIII.

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Postby Imperial Rifta » Fri Dec 18, 2020 7:37 pm

FutureAmerica wrote:If it was dissolved, a civil war will breakout that will evolve into WWIII.

Agreed
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Postby Irish-Scottish America » Fri Dec 18, 2020 9:57 pm

it would be pretty interesting to see if my state of Missouri seceded from the US to become the confederacy again

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Postby Postauthoritarian America » Fri Dec 18, 2020 10:02 pm

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Postby Kungsu » Fri Dec 18, 2020 10:07 pm

The only way I would want the Federal government to be dissolved is if it was being reformed into a Parliamentary system. Presidential systems are just awful, and almost always (if not always) leads to corrupt regimes and a loss of democracy. Plus it puts more public focus on the actual Legislators, rather than having an eye single to the Presidency, making local government more effective as well.

This is as far as I understand it, of course. I do not have actual experience with such systems and may be wrong or misguided.
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Postby Nazeroth » Thu Jan 07, 2021 12:35 pm

The Federal government should be increased at it's current pace, states rights should be abolished and a centralized government established in DC to crush dissent, Puerto rico and other territories need to be directly absorbed into the "union".

The Democrats need to expand the court as well since they now have control.

also vastly more power needs to be given to the FBI to investigate domestic terror.
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Postby United Latin American States » Thu Jan 07, 2021 12:38 pm

WTF is this, No it should not.
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Postby Nazeroth » Thu Jan 07, 2021 12:39 pm

United Latin American States wrote:WTF is this, No it should not.


if anything it needs to be massivly expanded to deal with all threats foreign or domestic
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Postby United Latin American States » Thu Jan 07, 2021 12:41 pm

Nazeroth wrote:The Federal government should be increased at it's current pace, states rights should be abolished and a centralized government established in DC to crush dissent, Puerto rico and other territories need to be directly absorbed into the "union".

The Democrats need to expand the court as well since they now have control.

also vastly more power needs to be given to the FBI to investigate domestic terror.

I see you get the bigger picture, the Federal Government is not given enough power, it needs to truly become a Leviathan of a government.
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Postby United Latin American States » Thu Jan 07, 2021 12:42 pm

Nazeroth wrote:
United Latin American States wrote:WTF is this, No it should not.


if anything it needs to be massivly expanded to deal with all threats foreign or domestic

sorry, I was responding to the original question, not you. look at my new response
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