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Secret Santa... Does It Add Up?

For discussion and debate about anything. (Not a roleplay related forum; out-of-character commentary only.)

Your personal views on Secret Santa?

It makes economic sense, I like to play Secret Santa
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16%
It doesn't make economic sense, but I still like to play Secret Santa for other reasons
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47%
It makes economic sense, but for other reasons I don't like to play Secret Santa
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18%
It doesn't make economic sense, I don't like to play Secret Santa
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12%
Other (please explain)
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8%
 
Total votes : 51

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Secret Santa... Does It Add Up?

Postby Infected Mushroom » Thu Dec 10, 2020 7:51 pm

Secret Santa is a very popular game.

In a typical Secret Santa game, the participants draw slips of papers with the names of the other participants (the results of the draws are kept secret). This sets up a system where each participant is the "Secret Santa" of another participant and will be responsible for getting a present for that person.

Typically a maximum budget is agreed upon for the gift; there could be additional stipulations on the types of gifts allowed/encouraged/disallowed/discouraged. A deadline is set up.

In advance of the deadline, all of the gifts (with name tags for the recipiants but without the Secret Santas revealed) are placed together. On Secret Santa Day (usually around or on Christmas Eve), the participants get together. The gifts are read off and handed out. Sometimes, the recipients get X attempts to guess who the Secret Santa was. If they guess correctly, the Secret Santa will reveal themselves. If they fail to guess, it may never be revealed.

Do you like Secret Santa? Do you think it makes sense? Does it add up?

I personally do not like Secret Santa and I don't think it adds up.

It results in sub-optimal economic outcomes. Far more often than not, each and every person best knows themselves and what they themselves want. Instead of spending X dollars to try and guess what another person wants and receiving a likely less than ideal present themselves worth X or not, they could have instead treated themselves to X dollars worth of what they want the most. A better game would be where everyone says to each other, "we're all going to buy ourselves something worth X or less and then on Y day we will gather and take turns and do a show and tell on what we bought. We can also try and guess what we think other people in the party are going to buy in advance and make a record to be revealed. (In fact, this is the way "Secret Santa" is played in my NS nation)"

Now you can say, "there's an economic/utility value in the surprise factor too." Yes, but not enough to overcome the inherent economic inefficiency of the distribution system.

And that's not even to mention that in really really large groups, the probability that you'll know the other person well enough to know the types of things they would want is fairly low. And while some Secret Santas may take the extra steps and efforts to find out, most won't or can't, furthering the inequality of the efforts and rewards.

Everytime I hear people say "Let's play Secret Santa. Let's say the budget is X" I end up thinking... "My my my... why not just buy yourself something worth X and not worry about it? Do you really think someone else better knows what you would personally want?"

I want to hear your thoughts on the matter.

A poll is provided.
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Postby Auphelia » Thu Dec 10, 2020 7:59 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:Secret Santa


I admit I have never done this activity.

It does, however, sound delightful. A way to give gifts whilst avoiding great differences in gift price that can make one side feel poorly for spending too much or not enough, and also avoiding an unintentional snub to someone you did not get a gift for. The benefit gained in lost stress alone must be worth something!

Aside from buying things from yourself, part of the joy of gift giving is getting something for someone else.

To your point about large pools, however, I agree. This seems to be the sort of scheme best suited to small to medium sized groups of no more than fifteen, each being friends or at least people moderately well acquainted with one another. In those circumstances, it sounds lovely.

Alternatively, in a very, very large pool possible only through the internet, it sounds like a playground ripe for joke gifts to be shared amongst near-strangers, united by a shared jovial spirit and the comedy of such an interaction.
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Thu Dec 10, 2020 8:01 pm

Auphelia wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:Secret Santa


I admit I have never done this activity.

It does, however, sound delightful. A way to give gifts whilst avoiding great differences in gift price that can make one side feel poorly for spending too much or not enough, and also avoiding an unintentional snub to someone you did not get a gift for. The benefit gained in lost stress alone must be worth something!

Aside from buying things from yourself, part of the joy of gift giving is getting something for someone else.

To your point about large pools, however, I agree. This seems to be the sort of scheme best suited to small to medium sized groups of no more than fifteen, each being friends or at least people moderately well acquainted with one another. In those circumstances, it sounds lovely.

Alternatively, in a very, very large pool possible only through the internet, it sounds like a playground ripe for joke gifts to be shared amongst near-strangers, united by a shared jovial spirit and the comedy of such an interaction.


I see... :)

I’m surprised you never played it. Not even in school or at work or college? Is it not a big thing where you live?

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Postby Auphelia » Thu Dec 10, 2020 8:20 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:I see... :)

I’m surprised you never played it. Not even in school or at work or college? Is it not a big thing where you live?


Christmas itself is a bit of an event where I have spent most of my life, but not so much that most people celebrate it, and I am certainly not familiar with this tradition. It does sound like a delight, however! I revel in new opportunities to get and give gifts!
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Postby Free Las Pinas » Thu Dec 10, 2020 8:46 pm

Secret Santa with large groups of people stresses me out. I don’t know what I want myself, except that my Secret Santa’s not gonna get it right.

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Postby Infected Mushroom » Thu Dec 10, 2020 8:50 pm

Free Las Pinas wrote:Secret Santa with large groups of people stresses me out. I don’t know what I want myself, except that my Secret Santa’s not gonna get it right.


This is the case for me too. :(

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Postby The Two Jerseys » Thu Dec 10, 2020 8:54 pm

I hate Secret Santas. And every other management-approved coerced "fun" teambuilding exercise.

I'd rather keep the money and buy myself something I like with it.
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Postby Auphelia » Thu Dec 10, 2020 8:56 pm

Based on the title of this thread, I had assumed it was some odd conspiracy theory about Secret Santa being some sort of hoax to do . . . something. But whatever it was, it was going to be ridiculous and thus hilarious to read.
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Postby Sundiata » Thu Dec 10, 2020 8:57 pm

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Postby Infected Mushroom » Thu Dec 10, 2020 9:00 pm

The Two Jerseys wrote:I hate Secret Santas. And every other management-approved coerced "fun" teambuilding exercise.

I'd rather keep the money and buy myself something I like with it.


I participated last year at work because I was concerned that despite participation being nominally voluntary, it would somehow be held against me if I backed out

I gave the other party a pack of cookies. I received... some very strange snacks indeed...

It wasn’t that great

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Postby Free Las Pinas » Thu Dec 10, 2020 9:07 pm

Last year, my Secret Santa gave me some sort of soccer shirt? I don’t know how to describe it, but I might still have it somewhere...

All I know if that it seemed like something sportsy, and while I can appreciate why they assumed I’d like it, I hate sports.

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Postby Infected Mushroom » Thu Dec 10, 2020 9:08 pm

Free Las Pinas wrote:Last year, my Secret Santa gave me some sort of soccer shirt? I don’t know how to describe it, but I might still have it somewhere...

All I know if that it seemed like something sportsy, and while I can appreciate why they assumed I’d like it, I hate sports.


They misjudged you :(

Do you look athletic is that why?

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Postby Free Las Pinas » Thu Dec 10, 2020 9:15 pm

The Two Jerseys wrote:I hate Secret Santas. And every other management-approved coerced "fun" teambuilding exercise.

I'd rather keep the money and buy myself something I like with it.

Yeah, that makes sense. And if my friends really wanted to do something together, I’d much rather we still spend our own money on ourselves.
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Free Las Pinas wrote:Last year, my Secret Santa gave me some sort of soccer shirt? I don’t know how to describe it, but I might still have it somewhere...

All I know if that it seemed like something sportsy, and while I can appreciate why they assumed I’d like it, I hate sports.


They misjudged you :(

Do you look athletic is that why?

I’m gonna go with sorta so as to not be too self-righteous. It’s probably more because I have long legs, and am taller than mall except one of my friends, which isn’t much as the average height of males in my country is 156cm.

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Postby Sundiata » Thu Dec 10, 2020 10:43 pm

I think I'll enjoy a Christmas that isn't so commercial this year.
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Postby The Alma Mater » Thu Dec 10, 2020 11:58 pm

What you describe is part of the celebrations for Saint Nicholas on december 5th - though you forgot the scathing poems and the "creative" ways one has to package the gift ;)

I still quite enjoy it. The economics do not matter. Nor do they matter in other typical december games like giftswapping.
And hey - I send out anonymous gifts to friends in december for fun; and not for getting anything back - aside from knowing I made them smile for a few minutes. December is expensive, but worth it.
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Postby Dazchan » Fri Dec 11, 2020 3:03 am

Infected Mushroom wrote:It results in sub-optimal economic outcomes.


It means that instead of having to buy 50 people gifts at my workplace, I only need to buy one. Seems like an optimal economic outcome to me.
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Postby Secret Santa Claus » Fri Dec 11, 2020 3:49 am

Don't mind me just jotting down a few names.

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Postby Esternial » Fri Dec 11, 2020 3:53 am

Now explain to me why this needs to be economically optimal?

Weren't you in a situation not too long ago where you applied for a job under your pay grade? That's rather economically sub-optimal.
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Fri Dec 11, 2020 4:19 am

Dazchan wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:It results in sub-optimal economic outcomes.


It means that instead of having to buy 50 people gifts at my workplace, I only need to buy one. Seems like an optimal economic outcome to me.


Hmmm... it’s either or at your workplace?

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Postby Infected Mushroom » Fri Dec 11, 2020 4:20 am

Secret Santa Claus wrote:Don't mind me just jotting down a few names.


The Claus himself has come to this thread????

What?!

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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Fri Dec 11, 2020 4:20 am

Personally I find a very good approach is to say "no thank you" when asked to participate rather than doing a detailed cost-benefit analysis to find whether my reluctance to get involved has a rational basis.
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Postby The Blaatschapen » Fri Dec 11, 2020 4:28 am

Stop applying economics to an activity which main value is fun.

Just roll with it, keep the group fairly small.
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Postby The New California Republic » Fri Dec 11, 2020 4:32 am

I prefer Secret Socialist: from each according to ability etc.
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Fri Dec 11, 2020 8:08 am

The New California Republic wrote:I prefer Secret Socialist: from each according to ability etc.


Secret Socialist.

Try to give a gift to make the person More Equal? 0_0

Guess how every other gift in the game could affect net equality and re-calibrate your own gift calc?

Sounds challenging

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