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Postby Adamede » Thu Dec 10, 2020 5:18 pm

Sanghyeok wrote:Maybe this will help with bringing long term peace to the area, but I don't know and I won't pretend I do.

It won’t. It doesn’t actually change anything in the Middle East. Morocco is to far from Israel to have taken part in any conflict with it, and the situation in Western Sahara is just the US recognizing what has been de facto for years now.

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Postby Rio Cana » Thu Dec 10, 2020 5:30 pm

At least 2/3 of the people in Western Sahara are Moroccans that have moved in. This means the native Western Saharan have become instant minorities. Then there is the fact that a good number are in neighboring nations waiting to go back home. Supposedly, the Western Saharans control 30% of the eastern part of Western Sahara. It all flat desert with some mountains in the South. Maybe they could declare that part an independent nation and be recognized by the international community. Has for the other 70%, Morocco will never give it up. They know Western Saharans cannot possibly do anything to them.
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Postby Adamede » Thu Dec 10, 2020 5:42 pm

Rio Cana wrote:At least 2/3 of the people in Western Sahara are Moroccans that have moved in. This means the native Western Saharan have become instant minorities. Then there is the fact that a good number are in neighboring nations waiting to go back home. Supposedly, the Western Saharans control 30% of the eastern part of Western Sahara. It all flat desert with some mountains in the South. Maybe they could declare that part an independent nation and be recognized by the international community. Has for the other 70%, Morocco will never give it up. They know Western Saharans cannot possibly do anything to them.

They already declared it independent, along with the rest of Western Sahara. They’re not going to stop fighting, their head quarters is literally in a fucking refugee camp.

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Postby Postauthoritarian America » Thu Dec 10, 2020 6:29 pm

Seeing as the linchpin of the whole deal is the recent Presidential proclamation regarding Western Sahara, a document with zero force of law and dubious practical application that can and will be reversed in a little over a month, one wonders how long the "normalization" will last. I give it until the spring at the outside.
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Postby New haven america » Thu Dec 10, 2020 6:32 pm

SD_Film Artists wrote:Good good, the more arab nations which do this the more we can stop certain parts of the left from claiming that Palestine's issues are the arab world's issues.

Isn't it usually the right that's all about ethnostates and invading the ME?
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Langenia wrote:Personally, I am absolutely happy. Israel is a legitimate state, and I'm glad the Arab world is starting to recognize it as such. However Palestine is also a legitimate state. I believe in the two-state solution.

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Glorious Hong Kong wrote:YES!!! Four countries! Donald Trump delivers yet again.

Delivers another betrayal of the Palestinian cause by the leaders of the Arab world much to their people’s chagrin that will enable Israel to do even more terrible stuff to the Palestinians.
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Glorious Hong Kong wrote:YES!!! Four countries! Donald Trump delivers yet again.

Delivers another betrayal of the Palestinian cause by the leaders of the Arab world much to their people’s chagrin that will enable Israel to do even more terrible stuff to the Palestinians.


If there is still some Palestinian who hopes in Arab countries to "save" Palestine he's a fool. The only hope for Palestine lies in Russia-China-Iran.
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Insaanistan wrote:Delivers another betrayal of the Palestinian cause by the leaders of the Arab world much to their people’s chagrin that will enable Israel to do even more terrible stuff to the Palestinians.


If there is still some Palestinian who hopes in Arab countries to "save" Palestine he's a fool. The only hope for Palestine lies in Russia-China-Iran.


Lmao.

The hope for Palestinians is.....emigration to the New World or Oceania. That’s how earlier Palestinians managed to prosper and even reach dominant positions politically and economically. One good example is the president of El Salvador.
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Insaanistan wrote:Delivers another betrayal of the Palestinian cause by the leaders of the Arab world much to their people’s chagrin that will enable Israel to do even more terrible stuff to the Palestinians.


If there is still some Palestinian who hopes in Arab countries to "save" Palestine he's a fool. The only hope for Palestine lies in Russia-China-Iran.

Russia and China? Frick no.
Turkey and Iran? Unfortunately, yes, though Iran in particular often takes it freaking far, like when they banned Sami Yusuf music when he played in Nazareth (even though the audience was almost alll Palestinian and he considers Nazareth part of Palestine.)
Also, keep in mind some Arab countries hate Saudi or even their leaders love the Palestinians so much they’d almost certainly never normalize relations with Israel.
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Nekostan-e Gharbi wrote:
Federal Asia wrote:
If there is still some Palestinian who hopes in Arab countries to "save" Palestine he's a fool. The only hope for Palestine lies in Russia-China-Iran.


Lmao.

The hope for Palestinians is.....emigration to the New World or Oceania. That’s how earlier Palestinians managed to prosper and even reach dominant positions politically and economically. One good example is the president of El Salvador.


So you are basically suggesting deportation? Not sure they would be positive about it
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Postby Insaanistan » Fri Dec 11, 2020 4:42 am

Nekostan-e Gharbi wrote:
Federal Asia wrote:
If there is still some Palestinian who hopes in Arab countries to "save" Palestine he's a fool. The only hope for Palestine lies in Russia-China-Iran.


Lmao.

The hope for Palestinians is.....emigration to the New World or Oceania. That’s how earlier Palestinians managed to prosper and even reach dominant positions politically and economically. One good example is the president of El Salvador.


Okay, I understand where you’re coming from, but you forgot the main point is that they want they’re land back.
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Federal Asia wrote:
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Lmao.

The hope for Palestinians is.....emigration to the New World or Oceania. That’s how earlier Palestinians managed to prosper and even reach dominant positions politically and economically. One good example is the president of El Salvador.


So you are basically suggesting deportation? Not sure they would be positive about it


What? Emigration needs to be strictly voluntary but that’s literally how most of the Palestinian upper and middle class ended up. Guess what? That works for them very well.
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Postby Federal Asia » Fri Dec 11, 2020 4:43 am

Insaanistan wrote:
Federal Asia wrote:
If there is still some Palestinian who hopes in Arab countries to "save" Palestine he's a fool. The only hope for Palestine lies in Russia-China-Iran.

Russia and China? Frick no.
Turkey and Iran? Unfortunately, yes, though Iran in particular often takes it freaking far, like when they banned Sami Yusuf music when he played in Nazareth (even though the audience was almost alll Palestinian and he considers Nazareth part of Palestine.)
Also, keep in mind some Arab countries hate Saudi or even their leaders love the Palestinians so much they’d almost certainly never normalize relations with Israel.


Lol Turkey just betrayed them too

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Postby Nekostan-e Gharbi » Fri Dec 11, 2020 4:43 am

Insaanistan wrote:
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Lmao.

The hope for Palestinians is.....emigration to the New World or Oceania. That’s how earlier Palestinians managed to prosper and even reach dominant positions politically and economically. One good example is the president of El Salvador.


Okay, I understand where you’re coming from, but you forgot the main point is that they want they’re land back.


They can get a lot more land in the New World and Oceania compared to the crowded West Bank & Gaza.
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Nekostan-e Gharbi wrote:
Federal Asia wrote:
So you are basically suggesting deportation? Not sure they would be positive about it


What? Emigration needs to be strictly voluntary but that’s literally how most of the Palestinian upper and middle class ended up.


The upper class emigrates and becomes Westernized because they don't have the balls to fight and protect their people
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Nekostan-e Gharbi wrote:
Insaanistan wrote:
Okay, I understand where you’re coming from, but you forgot the main point is that they want they’re land back.


They can get a lot more land in the New World and Oceania compared to the crowded West Bank & Gaza.


The New World is already occupied. Should have thought about it before the 1400s
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Postby Nekostan-e Gharbi » Fri Dec 11, 2020 4:46 am

Federal Asia wrote:
Nekostan-e Gharbi wrote:
What? Emigration needs to be strictly voluntary but that’s literally how most of the Palestinian upper and middle class ended up.


The upper class emigrates and becomes Westernized because they don't have the balls to fight and protect their people


Everyone should choose what’s best for themselves.

I do wonder what your ethnicity is.
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Dumb Ideologies wrote:It is good to see countries recognising Israel is there and not going away, and accordingly seeking to build more normal relations rather than linger on decades-old defeats. It's a very turbulent region of the world, so the possibility of establishing institutions for peaceable resolutions of disputes seems pretty remote. But you have to start somewhere.

How about starting by giving the Sahrawis and Palestinians back their land.

You can recognise Israel and still want an independent Palestine. I support more nations in the arab world recognising Israel, helps with tensions in the region.
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Federal Asia wrote:
Nekostan-e Gharbi wrote:
They can get a lot more land in the New World and Oceania compared to the crowded West Bank & Gaza.


The New World is already occupied. Should have thought about it before the 1400s


Do you realize that the New World especially Latin America has lots of Middle Eastern immigrants who do very well?
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Nekostan-e Gharbi wrote:
Federal Asia wrote:
The upper class emigrates and becomes Westernized because they don't have the balls to fight and protect their people


Everyone should choose what’s best for themselves.

I do wonder what your ethnicity is.


You're not gonna save Palestine with hyper-individualism that's for sure
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Postby Nekostan-e Gharbi » Fri Dec 11, 2020 4:48 am

Federal Asia wrote:
Nekostan-e Gharbi wrote:
Everyone should choose what’s best for themselves.

I do wonder what your ethnicity is.


You're not gonna save Palestine with hyper-individualism that's for sure


You are going to get Palestinians to live much better lives. People need to be helped, not identity. Collectivism is irrational.
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Nekostan-e Gharbi wrote:
Federal Asia wrote:
You're not gonna save Palestine with hyper-individualism that's for sure


You are going to get Palestinians to live much better lives.


At the expense of cancelling Palestine from the map...
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