NationStates

Thermodolia wrote:

Heloin wrote:Israel's plan hasn't been annexation of Palestine for a long time, normalisation hasn't changed that. The only thing normalisation has changed is create more governments willing to turn a blind eye to Israel's solution, the creation of a Palestinian Bantustan. Maybe if in exchange for normalisation Israel had to begin dismantling their settlements in the West Bank the argument would hold some ground but it isn't. Israel keeps their illegal settlements and Palestine remains an occupied state.

Israel did plan to annex the West Bank before the UAE recognized them. That much is true. Maybe other nations should propose to Israel that in exchange for recognition israel stop building new settlements.

Diplomatic means tend to have a batter outcome when both sides have something the other wants.

Thermodolia wrote:

Nekostan-e Gharbi wrote:
That will be a socioeconomic disaster. Another Gush Katif disaster but of a much larger scale is horrible.

The only fix is for Israel to cede the remaining areas to Jordan

Thermodolia wrote:

Nekostan-e Gharbi wrote:
That will be a socioeconomic disaster. Another Gush Katif disaster but of a much larger scale is horrible.

The only fix is for Israel to cede the remaining areas to Jordan

Insaanistan wrote:

SD_Film Artists wrote:
Why? If Israel can survive abandoning Gaza in 2005 then I think they can survive losing a few settlements which aren't even recognised under international law.

They still heavily control Gaza, and the people suffer from it, especially during this pandemic.

Not excusing Egypt either, by the way. F*ck as-Sisi.

Washington Resistance Army wrote:

Thermodolia wrote:The only fix is for Israel to cede the remaining areas to Jordan

Jordan doesn't want them and the Palestinians don't want that either.

Phoenixy wrote:

Insaanistan wrote:The more nations recognize Israel, the more emboldened they’ll be and the more Palestinians will be drawn into the clutches of terrorism.

Violence is not the answer. Israel has been on the wrong side of history for the last 40 years, but this is in its turn a result of the early violent response by Arab nations to choke in blood a free and sovereign Israel willing to negotiate.
Only when both sides choose to talk and normalize relations will this conflict end.

Thermodolia wrote:

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Jordan doesn't want them and the Palestinians don't want that either.

Therm don’t care. Papa Therm will pull Stalin

Washington Resistance Army wrote:

Thermodolia wrote:Therm don’t care. Papa Therm will pull Stalin

Or we could pull a MacArthur and just make the entire region uninhabitable with cobalt bombs.

Washington Resistance Army wrote:

Thermodolia wrote:Therm don’t care. Papa Therm will pull Stalin

Or we could pull a MacArthur and just make the entire region uninhabitable with cobalt bombs.

Federal Asia wrote:

Phoenixy wrote:Violence is not the answer. Israel has been on the wrong side of history for the last 40 years, but this is in its turn a result of the early violent response by Arab nations to choke in blood a free and sovereign Israel willing to negotiate.
Only when both sides choose to talk and normalize relations will this conflict end.

Vietnam managed to kick Americans out thanks to violence.

Thermodolia wrote:

Insaanistan wrote:
They still heavily control Gaza, and the people suffer from it, especially during this pandemic.

Not excusing Egypt either, by the way. F*ck as-Sisi.

Gaza is under Hamas control dude not Israeli. Maybe you should look at the facts for once

Phoenixy wrote:

Federal Asia wrote:
Vietnam managed to kick Americans out thanks to violence.

With the support, both economic and military, of a Superpower.

Federal Asia wrote:

Phoenixy wrote:Violence is not the answer. Israel has been on the wrong side of history for the last 40 years, but this is in its turn a result of the early violent response by Arab nations to choke in blood a free and sovereign Israel willing to negotiate.
Only when both sides choose to talk and normalize relations will this conflict end.

Vietnam managed to kick Americans out thanks to violence.

Genivaria wrote:

Insaanistan wrote:Israel does enough of that shooting Palestinian kids in the head.

Can you honestly claim that the Palestinian government has done nothing to incite tensions over the last several decades?
Stones and glass houses friend, it's easy to demonize the other side and ignore the shit on your own side.
It's harder to swallow your pride and actually seek peace despite shit on both sides.

Phoenixy wrote:

Federal Asia wrote:
Vietnam managed to kick Americans out thanks to violence.

With the support, both economic and military, of a Superpower.

Atheris wrote:

Federal Asia wrote:
Vietnam managed to kick Americans out thanks to violence.

It wasn't just the Vietnamese. It was the Chinese, the Soviets, and the Americans themselves. America's problem wasn't going into Vietnam, it was trying to enforce borders that weren't even a decade old combined with pseudo-socialism (that they used to ally themselves with, mind you), terrible tactics (like not bombing the North until it was too late), and just not being prepared for jungle warfare.

Heloin wrote:

Genivaria wrote:Can you honestly claim that the Palestinian government has done nothing to incite tensions over the last several decades?
Stones and glass houses friend, it's easy to demonize the other side and ignore the shit on your own side.
It's harder to swallow your pride and actually seek peace despite shit on both sides.

Not to side with some of Insaanistan's more out there points but Palestine is a state under decades of military occupation from a larger neighbour and having it's land stolen away by them. There's a bit of a difference between Palestinian violence towards Israel and vice versa.

Badjuristan wrote:I might just be the guy who likes flags so much they'd want any nation's independence for more flags but

#freehk
#freemacau
#freeSahrwis
#FreePalestine
#Freenagornokarabakh
#freenorthossetia
#freeabkhazia
#Freeajaria
#freewales
#freebavaria
#dontfreenorthumbria
#freenejd
#Freekurdistan
and #freeantarctica

if i missed any tell me

Washington Resistance Army wrote:

Thermodolia wrote:Therm don’t care. Papa Therm will pull Stalin

Or we could pull a MacArthur and just make the entire region uninhabitable with cobalt bombs.

Washington Resistance Army wrote:

Thermodolia wrote:Therm don’t care. Papa Therm will pull Stalin

Or we could pull a MacArthur and just make the entire region uninhabitable with cobalt bombs.

Badjuristan wrote:

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Or we could pull a MacArthur and just make the entire region uninhabitable with cobalt bombs.

there cannot be any south yemen if there is no yemen
-america
i am joking

-Astoria- wrote:

Badjuristan wrote:I might just be the guy who likes flags so much they'd want any nation's independence for more flags but

#freehk
#freemacau
#freeSahrwis
#FreePalestine
#Freenagornokarabakh
#freenorthossetia
#freeabkhazia
#Freeajaria
#freewales
#freebavaria
#dontfreenorthumbria
#freenejd
#Freekurdistan
and #freeantarctica

if i missed any tell me

Where's Xinjiang, Scotland, Catalonia, etc?

Insaanistan wrote:

Heloin wrote:Not to side with some of Insaanistan's more out there points but Palestine is a state under decades of military occupation from a larger neighbour and having it's land stolen away by them. There's a bit of a difference between Palestinian violence towards Israel and vice versa.

Regardless, I don’t support Hamas members blowing up Israelis. I do however, support the Palestinian kids who throw rocks at the Israelis and Israeli tanks when they come to demolish their homes and villages.

Federal Asia wrote:

Vivolkha wrote:A fairly powerless one,

That aren't fair in any way,

Which is tighly under political control.

Define "political independence".


On the contrary, Saudi Arabia profits from US support, which it uses to advance its own interests, while being an American ally only on paper.

Saudis are cavemen, Iran is a nation of scientists, I don't think there's anything to debate here

Federal Asia wrote:

Genivaria wrote:Uh huh, don't use mods as weapons. Just some advice.

Stop replying to me or I will keep reporting you.

I'm not interested in talking with you.

Phoenixy wrote:

-Astoria- wrote:Where's Xinjiang, Scotland, Catalonia, etc?

Scotland is Britbong