Morocco Normalizes Relations with Israel

[Thermodolia]

If they stopped their plans for annexation in favor of recognition what’s to say that they wouldn’t stop building new settlements in favor of more recognition.

It’s clear the old way isn’t working. Maybe through diplomatic recognition of Israel a two state solution can be found

The fact that they WANT that land. Even if they agree to, they’ll just keep doing it.

Ya because they want a buffer. But they’d gladly give up most of it in favor of diplomatic relations. By refusing to deal with Israel you are shooting yourself in the foot

[Insaanistan]

You can recognise Israel and still want an independent Palestine. I support more nations in the arab world recognising Israel, helps with tensions in the region.

Yup. The more nations that recognize Israel the less Israel will rely on military force and switch to diplomatic means and be more open to a two state solution

The more nations recognize Israel, the more emboldened they’ll be and the more Palestinians will be drawn into the clutches of terrorism.

[Genivaria]

You can recognise Israel and still want an independent Palestine. I support more nations in the arab world recognising Israel, helps with tensions in the region.

Yup. The more nations that recognize Israel the less Israel will rely on military force and switch to diplomatic means and be more open to a two state solution

Makes perfect sense, folks tend to not be receptive to friendship with a gun pointed at them.

[Insaanistan]

The fact that they WANT that land. Even if they agree to, they’ll just keep doing it.

Ya because they want a buffer. But they’d gladly give up most of it in favor of diplomatic relations. By refusing to deal with Israel you are shooting yourself in the foot

Israel does enough of that shooting Palestinian kids in the head.

[Thermodolia]

Disappointing.

Yup. The more nations that recognize Israel the less Israel will rely on military force and switch to diplomatic means and be more open to a two state solution

The two state solution will never be viable. Far too much of Palestine has been taken by Israel for it to ever be anything more than an economically dependent rump state and the majority of the population will never happily accept that.

Tbh the area should have just remained under Jordanian control

[Genivaria]

Ya because they want a buffer. But they’d gladly give up most of it in favor of diplomatic relations. By refusing to deal with Israel you are shooting yourself in the foot

Israel does enough of that shooting Palestinian kids in the head.

Can you honestly claim that the Palestinian government has done nothing to incite tensions over the last several decades?
Stones and glass houses friend, it's easy to demonize the other side and ignore the shit on your own side.
It's harder to swallow your pride and actually seek peace despite shit on both sides.

[Thermodolia]

Yup. The more nations that recognize Israel the less Israel will rely on military force and switch to diplomatic means and be more open to a two state solution

The more nations recognize Israel, the more emboldened they’ll be and the more Palestinians will be drawn into the clutches of terrorism.

Reality has shown otherwise but don’t let your hatred for Israel get in the way of facts and truth.

Ya because they want a buffer. But they’d gladly give up most of it in favor of diplomatic relations. By refusing to deal with Israel you are shooting yourself in the foot

Israel does enough of that shooting Palestinian kids in the head.

Really dude?

[Heloin]

...
No.

If they stopped their plans for annexation in favor of recognition what’s to say that they wouldn’t stop building new settlements in favor of more recognition.

It’s clear the old way isn’t working. Maybe through diplomatic recognition of Israel a two state solution can be found

Israel's plan hasn't been annexation of Palestine for a long time, normalisation hasn't changed that. The only thing normalisation has changed is create more governments willing to turn a blind eye to Israel's solution, the creation of a Palestinian Bantustan. Maybe if in exchange for normalisation Israel had to begin dismantling their settlements in the West Bank the argument would hold some ground but it isn't. Israel keeps their illegal settlements and Palestine remains an occupied state.

[Insaanistan]

Israel does enough of that shooting Palestinian kids in the head.

Can you honestly claim that the Palestinian government has done nothing to incite tensions over the last several decades?
Stones and glass houses friend.

I most certainly cannot, and have expressed disgust at Hamas and Hizballah many times.

[Genivaria]

Can you honestly claim that the Palestinian government has done nothing to incite tensions over the last several decades?
Stones and glass houses friend.

I most certainly cannot, and have expressed disgust at Hamas and Hizballah many times.

Fair enough. So why then do you oppose a two state solution?
It seems to me that a single state is impossible at this point.

[Phoenixy]

Yup. The more nations that recognize Israel the less Israel will rely on military force and switch to diplomatic means and be more open to a two state solution

The more nations recognize Israel, the more emboldened they’ll be and the more Palestinians will be drawn into the clutches of terrorism.

Violence is not the answer. Israel has been on the wrong side of history for the last 40 years, but this is in its turn a result of the early violent response by Arab nations to choke in blood a free and sovereign Israel willing to negotiate.
Only when both sides choose to talk and normalize relations will this conflict end.

[Genivaria]

The more nations recognize Israel, the more emboldened they’ll be and the more Palestinians will be drawn into the clutches of terrorism.

Violence is not the answer. Israel has been on the wrong side of history for the last 40 years, but this is in its turn a result of the early violent response by Arab nations to choke in blood a free and sovereign Israel willing to negotiate.
Only when both sides choose to talk and normalize relations will this conflict end.

Well said.

[Thermodolia]

If they stopped their plans for annexation in favor of recognition what’s to say that they wouldn’t stop building new settlements in favor of more recognition.

It’s clear the old way isn’t working. Maybe through diplomatic recognition of Israel a two state solution can be found

Israel's plan hasn't been annexation of Palestine for a long time, normalisation hasn't changed that. The only thing normalisation has changed is create more governments willing to turn a blind eye to Israel's solution, the creation of a Palestinian Bantustan. Maybe if in exchange for normalisation Israel had to begin dismantling their settlements in the West Bank the argument would hold some ground but it isn't. Israel keeps their illegal settlements and Palestine remains an occupied state.

Israel did plan to annex the West Bank before the UAE recognized them. That much is true. Maybe other nations should propose to Israel that in exchange for recognition israel stop building new settlements.

Diplomatic means tend to have a batter outcome when both sides have something the other wants.

[Insaanistan]

I most certainly cannot, and have expressed disgust at Hamas and Hizballah many times.

Fair enough. So why then do you oppose a two state solution?
It seems to me that a single state is impossible at this point.

It is virtually impossible. It’s just my stubbornness and dream I know will near certainly never come true at this point.

[Genivaria]

Israel's plan hasn't been annexation of Palestine for a long time, normalisation hasn't changed that. The only thing normalisation has changed is create more governments willing to turn a blind eye to Israel's solution, the creation of a Palestinian Bantustan. Maybe if in exchange for normalisation Israel had to begin dismantling their settlements in the West Bank the argument would hold some ground but it isn't. Israel keeps their illegal settlements and Palestine remains an occupied state.

Israel did plan to annex the West Bank before the UAE recognized them. That much is true. Maybe other nations should propose to Israel that in exchange for recognition israel stop building new settlements.

Diplomatic means tend to have a batter outcome when both sides have something the other wants.

That's an excellent suggestion but I doubt the other Arab nations actually care that much about Palestine so much as they just hate Israel.
I think they're willing to let Palestinians suffer if it means maintaining their opposition to Israel continue.

Granted I might be over-generalizing, I'm certainly no expert on the Middle East.

[SD_Film Artists]

Disappointing.

Yup. The more nations that recognize Israel the less Israel will rely on military force and switch to diplomatic means and be more open to a two state solution

The two state solution will never be viable. Far too much of Palestine has been taken by Israel for it to ever be anything more than an economically dependent rump state and the majority of the population will never happily accept that.

I'd be happy to see a two state solution where Israel allows Palestine to retake the settlements which Israel gained in the last 10 years. It will likely still be a small dependent state, but no amount of settlement concessions will fix a place which thinks that Hamas is a good idea.

[Nekostan-e Gharbi]

Disappointing.



The two state solution will never be viable. Far too much of Palestine has been taken by Israel for it to ever be anything more than an economically dependent rump state and the majority of the population will never happily accept that.

I'd be happy to see a two state solution where Israel allows Palestine to retake the settlements which Israel gained in the last 10 years.
It will likely still be a small dependent state, but no amount of settlement concessions will fix a place which thinks that Hamas is a good idea.

That will be a socioeconomic disaster. Another Gush Katif disaster but of a much larger scale is horrible.

[Thermodolia]

Israel did plan to annex the West Bank before the UAE recognized them. That much is true. Maybe other nations should propose to Israel that in exchange for recognition israel stop building new settlements.

Diplomatic means tend to have a batter outcome when both sides have something the other wants.

That's an excellent suggestion but I doubt the other Arab nations actually care that much about Palestine so much as they just hate Israel.
I think they're willing to let Palestinians suffer if it means maintaining their opposition to Israel continue.

It’s exactly that. They don’t actually care about the Palestinians, if they did then they would have suggested the above. But they don’t because it keeps their own population’s attention on something other than the shit at home.

[Genivaria]

I'd be happy to see a two state solution where Israel allows Palestine to retake the settlements which Israel gained in the last 10 years.
It will likely still be a small dependent state, but no amount of settlement concessions will fix a place which thinks that Hamas is a good idea.

That will be a socioeconomic disaster. Another Gush Katif disaster but of a much larger scale is horrible.

There's already a socioeconomic disaster, the bullet is going to have to be bit eventually.
Better to bite it sooner than later.

[SD_Film Artists]

I'd be happy to see a two state solution where Israel allows Palestine to retake the settlements which Israel gained in the last 10 years.
It will likely still be a small dependent state, but no amount of settlement concessions will fix a place which thinks that Hamas is a good idea.

That will be a socioeconomic disaster. Another Gush Katif disaster but of a much larger scale is horrible.

Why? If Israel can survive abandoning Gaza in 2005 then I think they can survive losing a few settlements which aren't even recognised under international law.

[Thermodolia]

I'd be happy to see a two state solution where Israel allows Palestine to retake the settlements which Israel gained in the last 10 years.
It will likely still be a small dependent state, but no amount of settlement concessions will fix a place which thinks that Hamas is a good idea.

That will be a socioeconomic disaster. Another Gush Katif disaster but of a much larger scale is horrible.

The only fix is for Israel to cede the remaining areas to Jordan

[Phoenixy]

Violence is not the answer. Israel has been on the wrong side of history for the last 40 years, but this is in its turn a result of the early violent response by Arab nations to choke in blood a free and sovereign Israel willing to negotiate.
Only when both sides choose to talk and normalize relations will this conflict end.

Well said.

Sadly Bibi does not agree with it. Israel's best choice would be to accept the West Bank as a peaceful and diplomatic government, separating it in rhetoric and practice from the extremists in Gaza. However the current government relies a lot in its own orthodox extremists who wish to colonize the West Bank and impose a vengeful regime.
If we get a moderate government in Israel once more, peace may come.

Still, the same must happen on the other side ..and so far I think it slowly does. Step, by step, peace may be achieved.

[Nekostan-e Gharbi]

That will be a socioeconomic disaster. Another Gush Katif disaster but of a much larger scale is horrible.

The only fix is for Israel to cede the remaining areas to Jordan

Think about it economically. Do you find it horrifying?

[Badjuristan]

I might just be the guy who likes flags so much they'd want any nation's independence for more flags but

#freehk
#freemacau
#freeSahrwis
#FreePalestine
#Freenagornokarabakh
#freenorthossetia
#freeabkhazia
#Freeajaria
#freewales
#freebavaria
#dontfreenorthumbria
#freenejd
#Freekurdistan
and #freeantarctica

if i missed any tell me

[Insaanistan]

That will be a socioeconomic disaster. Another Gush Katif disaster but of a much larger scale is horrible.

Why? If Israel can survive abandoning Gaza in 2005 then I think they can survive losing a few settlements which aren't even recognised under international law.

They still heavily control Gaza, and the people suffer from it, especially during this pandemic.

Not excusing Egypt either, by the way. F*ck as-Sisi.