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Postby United Chinese Communes » Thu Dec 10, 2020 2:29 pm

As you may have noticed, there has of late been a great deal of concern over China and its status as a rising empire, both here in the limited sphere of NSG and more widely in the political milieu. Many people have voiced their concerns over what a Chinese hegemony might look like, and the threat that it poses to values of democracy and human rights. And I personally would agree that this is indeed a field of concern, but there is already enough discussion of this. What I wish to discuss here is the far more palpable threat posed by the current global ruler, the United States of America.

First, some historical context. English settlers first arrived in what would become the state of Virginia in 1607, establishing the colony of Jamestown. The first African slaves arrived in the colonies in 1619, where they would go on to prop up the American economy for nearly two-hundred and fifty years. The settlers acquired their independence from Britain in the American Revolutionary War, declaring it in 1776. Following the establishment of their status as an independent nation, the Americans drove westward as part of an ideology of Manifest Destiny, conquering and brutalising the native peoples that had lived there for thousands of years. Incidents like the Trail of Tears have been referred to as genocide and would go on to inspire the Nazi plans for lebensraum and Generalplan Ost. The American slave system, based on racial oppression on a mass scale, would finally be dismantled following the American Civil War in 1865. However, racial oppression remained prevalent in American society, and the Thirteenth Amendment that had abolished slavery included a loophole to allow for the private exploitation of prison labour, a demographic that was and continues to be heavily racialised.

It was at the end of the nineteenth century that America turned its gaze abroad, seeking to emulate the colonial exploits of Europe. The Spanish-American War resulted in the capture of the Spanish colonial territories of Cuba, Puerto Rico, Guam and the Philippines, the latter attempting to declare independence before being crushed by the Americans, the conflict killing over 200,000 Filipino civilians. American imperialism would continue to plague the Caribbean and Central America in a period known as the Banana Wars, as America bullied and invaded its smaller neighbours to ensure its dominance over the region. The US Marine Corps general Smedley Butler, who was heavily involved in these actions, would go on to write the book War is a Racket, exposing the corporate interests lying behind the Empire.

Fast forwarding to the end of the Second World War, with France and Britain in disarray and Japan and Germany crushed, the United States was at last able to make its play for global dominance, opposed in this by the Soviet Union. Throughout the Cold War period, America would be involved in numerous civil wars and high-profile assassinations, infamously establishing a network of ruthless far-right dictatorships throughout the Americas in Operation Condor. In Korea and Vietnam, American forces brutalised civilians in events like the No Gun Ri and My Lai massacres as they propped up yet more dictators in the form of Syngman Rhee and Ngo Dinh Diem. In Afghanistan they supplied weapons and advisors to islamic fundamentalist Mujahideen, an act that would come back to bite them in the form of al Qaeda and the Taliban. All this illustrates but a tiny fraction of American foreign policy during the Cold War, and does not even mention the harsh repressions at home with the suppression and assassination of civil rights activists and the racially charged War on Drugs.

In 1991 the Soviet Union collapsed, and the United States of America stood as the world's sole superpower, having achieved global domination. American corporations had free rein in Africa, South America and Southeast Asia, ruthlessly exploiting both their labour and natural resources in an effort to squeeze out every last drop of profit. Regimes that stood against the new American world order like those of Iraq and Libya were crushed, while others like Iran and North Korea are continually demonised by American media, with the threat of war continually on the horizon. Foreign and American nationals are extrajudicially executed via drone strikes, attacks that have caused significant civilian casualties in addition to their intended targets while American weapons are used to wage genocidal wars like that in Yemen.

At home too, oppression continued. Government agencies engage in mass surveillance of the civilian population, in breach of their civil rights. Just this year, people protesting in support of their rights have been met with a heavy handed response from law enforcement, protests against police brutality being met with ever-increasing levels of that very brutality. Refugees fleeing from the failures of US interference in Central America have been imprisoned in concentration camps and sterilised against their will, another action that could potentially be considered genocidal. None of this shows any sign of stopping soon. While the current administration may be particularly egregious in their actions, these issues have been plaguing America and the world for over a century, and are unlikely to stop under the regime of a man who served as the right hand of the Obama administration.

So my question to you here on NSG is this: What is to be done?

We can acknowledge the threat posed by China, we can acknowledge the terrible things have done and are currently doing, we can be concerned about what the future might look like should they come to dominate the globe, but the fact of the matter is that presently they do not. The current global ruler has sat on its throne for at least thirty years, and in that time has been complicit in numerous crimes against humanity both at home and abroad. The present threat to democracy and human rights is clear. The purpose of this thread is to both examine what America has done, for this is far from a comprehensive list, and to ask what should, and could, be done about it?
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Here we go again...
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Postby Adamede » Thu Dec 10, 2020 2:31 pm

Being the sole world hegemon is an untenable geopolitical position. A far more natural one is the numerous great powers of the age of exploration/colonialism.

Regardless, for all its crimes I prefer it to China.
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Postby United Chinese Communes » Thu Dec 10, 2020 2:32 pm

Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:Here we go again...

We've all been going back and forth about China, and America inevitably gets brought up as a counterexample. I thought it was about time we had a dedicated thread with America as the focus rather than China.
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Postby Sanghyeok » Thu Dec 10, 2020 2:33 pm

The United States has been the greatest threat to our world since it replaced the British, and if China continues it will replace the US. Under capitalism, strong countries are always oppressors.
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Postby Langenia » Thu Dec 10, 2020 2:35 pm

Sanghyeok wrote:The United States has been the greatest threat to our world since it replaced the British, and if China continues it will replace the US. Under capitalism, strong countries are always oppressors.


I have to disagree with you. The Soviet Union was completely communist and still oppressed.
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Postby Adamede » Thu Dec 10, 2020 2:36 pm

Sanghyeok wrote:The United States has been the greatest threat to our world since it replaced the British, and if China continues it will replace the US. Under capitalism, strong countries are always oppressors.

That’s just how fucking world geopolitics works, it’s not dependent on economics. The Soviet Union wasn’t some benevolent overlord, nor where the numerous pre-Capitalist empires of of the Medieval era and antiquity.
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Postby Western Fardelshufflestein » Thu Dec 10, 2020 2:38 pm

Langenia wrote:
Sanghyeok wrote:The United States has been the greatest threat to our world since it replaced the British, and if China continues it will replace the US. Under capitalism, strong countries are always oppressors.


I have to disagree with you. The Soviet Union was completely communist and still oppressed.

Agreed with Langenia.

Come to America. We have hamburgers.

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Sanghyeok wrote:The United States has been the greatest threat to our world since it replaced the British, and if China continues it will replace the US. Under capitalism, strong countries are always oppressors.

That’s just how fucking world geopolitics works, it’s not downer on fucking economics. The Soviet Union wasn’t some benevolent overlord, nor where the numerous pre-Capitalist empires of of the Medieval era and antiquity.

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Western Fardelshufflestein wrote:
Langenia wrote:
I have to disagree with you. The Soviet Union was completely communist and still oppressed.

Agreed with Langenia.

Come to America. We have hamburgers.

Adamede wrote:That’s just how fucking world geopolitics works, it’s not downer on fucking economics. The Soviet Union wasn’t some benevolent overlord, nor where the numerous pre-Capitalist empires of of the Medieval era and antiquity.

TIME TO BRING UP THE HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE.

Neither Holy, nor Roman, nor an Empire.

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Postby Western Fardelshufflestein » Thu Dec 10, 2020 2:41 pm

Adamede wrote:
Western Fardelshufflestein wrote:Agreed with Langenia.

Come to America. We have hamburgers.


TIME TO BRING UP THE HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE.

Neither Holy, nor Roman, nor an Empire.

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How about the Sasanian Empire? Or the Byzantine Empire? Or the OG Roman Empire?
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Postby United Chinese Communes » Thu Dec 10, 2020 2:41 pm

Langenia wrote:
Sanghyeok wrote:The United States has been the greatest threat to our world since it replaced the British, and if China continues it will replace the US. Under capitalism, strong countries are always oppressors.


I have to disagree with you. The Soviet Union was completely communist and still oppressed.

While I disagree on the point that the USSR was 'completely communist', that being the case doesn't preclude the statement that strong nations under capitalism are oppressors.
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Postby The American Free States » Thu Dec 10, 2020 2:42 pm

Op is forgetting how the period of time under American rule has been one of the greatest eras in human history. Literacy rates, the poverty rate, global trade, and so much more has increased during the time that the US remained top dog. Meanwhile, what has the People’s ‘Republic’ of China done for the world other than steal technology, debt-trap and bully nations into submission, and attempt to claim the entire South China Sea as their own?
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Postby Western Fardelshufflestein » Thu Dec 10, 2020 2:43 pm

The American Free States wrote:Op is forgetting how the period of time under American rule has been one of the greatest eras in human history. Literacy rates, the poverty rate, global trade, and so much more has increased during the time that the US remained top dog. Meanwhile, what has the People’s ‘Republic’ of China done for the world other than steal technology, debt-trap and bully nations into submission, and attempt to claim the entire South China Sea as their own?

Host the 2008 Olympics.
And they haven't invaded South Korea yet, right...?
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Postby Langenia » Thu Dec 10, 2020 2:44 pm

The American Free States wrote:Op is forgetting how the period of time under American rule has been one of the greatest eras in human history. Literacy rates, the poverty rate, global trade, and so much more has increased during the time that the US remained top dog. Meanwhile, what has the People’s ‘Republic’ of China done for the world other than steal technology, debt-trap and bully nations into submission, and attempt to claim the entire South China Sea as their own?


While I will not excuse some of America's actions, this statement proves what I said about other powerful socialist countries.
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Postby Adamede » Thu Dec 10, 2020 2:44 pm

United Chinese Communes wrote:
Langenia wrote:
I have to disagree with you. The Soviet Union was completely communist and still oppressed.

While I disagree on the point that the USSR was 'completely communist', that being the case doesn't preclude the statement that strong nations under capitalism are oppressors.

Except it does, because capitalism has nothing to do with it. Strong nations are oppressors regardless of the economic system.

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Postby Adamede » Thu Dec 10, 2020 2:45 pm

Western Fardelshufflestein wrote:
Adamede wrote:Neither Holy, nor Roman, nor an Empire.

Voltaire: *Dabs in the afterlife*
How about the Sasanian Empire? Or the Byzantine Empire? Or the OG Roman Empire?

Well I don’t think the Sassanids count as Romans either. As for the holiness of any of these empires I can’t comment on that.

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Postby Western Fardelshufflestein » Thu Dec 10, 2020 2:48 pm

Adamede wrote:
Western Fardelshufflestein wrote:Voltaire: *Dabs in the afterlife*
How about the Sasanian Empire? Or the Byzantine Empire? Or the OG Roman Empire?

Well I don’t think the Sassanids count as Romans either. As for the holiness of any of these empires I can’t comment on that.

I mean, the Sassanids did use Valerian as a footstool, so.
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Postby United Chinese Communes » Thu Dec 10, 2020 2:48 pm

The American Free States wrote:Op is forgetting how the period of time under American rule has been one of the greatest eras in human history. Literacy rates, the poverty rate, global trade, and so much more has increased during the time that the US remained top dog. Meanwhile, what has the People’s ‘Republic’ of China done for the world other than steal technology, debt-trap and bully nations into submission, and attempt to claim the entire South China Sea as their own?

I think you will find that it is in China that literacy has gone up and poverty has gone down. The international economy is another branch of the American Empire, enabling it to assert economic and financial dominance over the smaller nations of the world, and I fail to see how exactly America as a nation has contributed to the continual process of tech logical advancement.
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Postby Loben III » Thu Dec 10, 2020 2:49 pm

American hegemony is preferable to whatever hellhole the Chinese will throw us in.
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Loben III wrote:American hegemony is preferable to whatever hellhole the Chinese will throw us in.


We rarely agree but there ya go.
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Postby Western Fardelshufflestein » Thu Dec 10, 2020 2:50 pm

United Chinese Communes wrote:
The American Free States wrote:Op is forgetting how the period of time under American rule has been one of the greatest eras in human history. Literacy rates, the poverty rate, global trade, and so much more has increased during the time that the US remained top dog. Meanwhile, what has the People’s ‘Republic’ of China done for the world other than steal technology, debt-trap and bully nations into submission, and attempt to claim the entire South China Sea as their own?

I think you will find that it is in China that literacy has gone up and poverty has gone down. The international economy is another branch of the American Empire, enabling it to assert economic and financial dominance over the smaller nations of the world, and I fail to see how exactly America as a nation has contributed to the continual process of tech logical advancement.

MURICA INVENTED THE INTERNET. I rest my case.
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Postby Exalted Inquellian State » Thu Dec 10, 2020 2:52 pm

If America is trying to make an empire, Brexit, Russia's expansion, China's trade domination, internal divides, and it's big-ass debt that grew faster than I could keep up show they're doing a damn assed job at it.
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Postby United Chinese Communes » Thu Dec 10, 2020 2:53 pm

Loben III wrote:American hegemony is preferable to whatever hellhole the Chinese will throw us in.

I don't expect it to be much different for the vast majority of people, and in any case am opposed to this sort of feeble lesser evilism.
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Postby Western Fardelshufflestein » Thu Dec 10, 2020 2:54 pm

Exalted Inquellian State wrote:If America is trying to make an empire, Brexit, Russia's expansion, China's trade domination, internal divides, and it's big-ass debt that grew faster than I could keep up show they're doing a damn assed job at it.

Yeah, the US's pandering to the Chinese government needs to stop like 30 years ago. I though the US stood against the kinds of things the Chinese government is doing. American elite, I am disappoint.
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Postby Exalted Inquellian State » Thu Dec 10, 2020 2:55 pm

United Chinese Communes wrote:
Loben III wrote:American hegemony is preferable to whatever hellhole the Chinese will throw us in.

I don't expect it to be much different for the vast majority of people, and in any case am opposed to this sort of feeble lesser evilism.

Then fix the strongest nation into something better. Which is it: America or China?
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