Should landlords exist? 「Yes or No」

[Sanghyeok]

Exploitation, unaffordable, life-ruining. Those are the first words which come to mind when I think about "rent". The process of owning land and then renting it out to make a profit is not something I can support. Although there do exist "good landlords", they are rare compared to those who simply purchase and then hoard housing, driving costs up so ordinary people have no choice but to pay great portions of their meager wages to sustain themselves. In fact, within the US it is impossible for those working minimum wage to rent an average apartment. Europeans fare somewhat better. This is all while there exists enough housing in developed countries to provide a home to all homeless peoples.

We see the cruelty of land renting when in midst of the Covid-19 pandemic, landlords are still demanding rent and evicting those who have lost jobs, their family, and their providers. I oppose our system landlords possible- that of buying and selling property. Even Smith noted that "The landlords, like all other men, love to reap where they never sowed, and demand a rent even for the natural produce of the earth."
So, I propose a system where government housing is guaranteed to all persons, using those empty homes and houses owned by landlords and property managers.

NSG, do you think landlords and renting land should exist? Have you suffered at hands of a landlord? Or do you still defend the system?

[The Holy Britainnian Empire]

Not everybody can afford to buy land, so yes, renting and therefore landlords need to keep existing.

[Nakena]

They do exist.

Should? I am not judging upon whether or something "should" but if something "is".

What should or could be done though?

I think public and cooperative housing should be supported through tax incentives and further tax incentives that give landlords an strong economical incentive transforming their property into affordable housing.

[Cordel One]

I fully agree with you, not a single entity on the face of the earth has the right to exclude people from having a place to live. I don't hate middle class people who rent out one house that they actually put effort into (though I still don't support it), but large-scale landlords are absolutely horrible.

[Sanghyeok]

I fully agree with you, not a single entity on the face of the earth has the right to exclude people from having a place to live. I don't hate middle class people who rent out one house that they actually put effort into (though I still don't support it), but large-scale landlords are absolutely horrible.

I admit that "good landlords" do exist, but they are few compared to those that make renting absolutely terrible.

[Marsane]

They do exist.

Should? I am not judging upon whether or something "should" but if something "is".

What should or could be done though?

I think public and cooperative housing should be supported through tax incentives and further tax incentives that give landlords an economical incentive transforming their property into affordable housing.

this time I agree with Nakena; as far as currently enactable policy

ideally though, the position of a 'large-scale' landlord would not exist. property managers and maintenance are another thing.

[Adamede]

So long as proper protections for tenants exist so as to not turn them into neo-serfs I don’t see why not.

[Enlais]

I am of the opinion that the owning and trading of land is a ridiculous notion. As such, I entirely oppose the existance of landlords as an inherently exploitative and parasitic relationship between renter and rentee. Even in the case of "good" landlords, these same power dynamics remain, and I cannot support even they. Ideally, the position would be abolished entirely in favour of personal ownership of the house and live in which you live, but in terms of solutions that can be implemented under current conditions without a revolutionary change (though I consider such change to be a necessity regardless), I agree with Nakena and Marsane with the notion of public and cooperative housing as a means to mitigate suffering.

[Adamede]

I am of the opinion that the owning and trading of land is a ridiculous notion. As such, I entirely oppose the existance of landlords as an inherently exploitative and parasitic relationship between renter and rentee. Even in the case of "good" landlords, these same power dynamics remain, and I cannot support even they. Ideally, the position would be abolished entirely in favour of personal ownership of the house and live in which you live, but in terms of solutions that can be implemented under current conditions without a revolutionary change (though I consider such change to be a necessity regardless), I agree with Nakena and Marsane with the notion of public and cooperative housing as a means to mitigate suffering.

So owning land is no bueno, but owning a house is fine?

[Sanghyeok]

So long as proper protections for tenants exist so as to not turn them into neo-serfs I don’t see why not.

I read your comment as "neo-TERF" and became really confused lol.

[Adamede]

So long as proper protections for tenants exist so as to not turn them into neo-serfs I don’t see why not.

I read your comment as "neo-TERF" and became really confused lol.

Well TERFs unfortunately aren’t a thing of the past all.

[Sanghyeok]

I am of the opinion that the owning and trading of land is a ridiculous notion. As such, I entirely oppose the existance of landlords as an inherently exploitative and parasitic relationship between renter and rentee. Even in the case of "good" landlords, these same power dynamics remain, and I cannot support even they. Ideally, the position would be abolished entirely in favour of personal ownership of the house and live in which you live, but in terms of solutions that can be implemented under current conditions without a revolutionary change (though I consider such change to be a necessity regardless), I agree with Nakena and Marsane with the notion of public and cooperative housing as a means to mitigate suffering.

So owning land is no bueno, but owning a house is fine?

Land as a commodity is bad, land as a place to live is fine.

[Adamede]

So owning land is no bueno, but owning a house is fine?

Land as a commodity is bad, land as a place to live is fine.

Ownership necessitates commodity.

[Enlais]

I am of the opinion that the owning and trading of land is a ridiculous notion. As such, I entirely oppose the existance of landlords as an inherently exploitative and parasitic relationship between renter and rentee. Even in the case of "good" landlords, these same power dynamics remain, and I cannot support even they. Ideally, the position would be abolished entirely in favour of personal ownership of the house and live in which you live, but in terms of solutions that can be implemented under current conditions without a revolutionary change (though I consider such change to be a necessity regardless), I agree with Nakena and Marsane with the notion of public and cooperative housing as a means to mitigate suffering.

So owning land is no bueno, but owning a house is fine?

Essentially, yeah. I draw the line of who should own what on who uses it in their everyday life. Land as a place to live or work, I take no issue with. I only take issue when it exists as a commodity to be bought and sold and used to extract profit through passive action.

[Cordel One]

I fully agree with you, not a single entity on the face of the earth has the right to exclude people from having a place to live. I don't hate middle class people who rent out one house that they actually put effort into (though I still don't support it), but large-scale landlords are absolutely horrible.

I admit that "good landlords" do exist, but they are few compared to those that make renting absolutely terrible.

I agree. Everyone deserves a place to live without being exploited, but it's extremely difficult to find such a place unless you can buy a house.

[Sanghyeok]

I admit that "good landlords" do exist, but they are few compared to those that make renting absolutely terrible.

I agree. Everyone deserves a place to live without being exploited, but it's extremely difficult to find such a place unless you can buy a house.

Especially right now, I can't imagine how those who were furloughed would be able to pay their rent. Our society is absolutely disgusting.

[Cordel One]

I agree. Everyone deserves a place to live without being exploited, but it's extremely difficult to find such a place unless you can buy a house.

Especially right now, I can't imagine how those who were furloughed would be able to pay their rent. Our society is absolutely disgusting.

It's sad seeing cities becoming increasingly full of those who couldn't pay their rent. I think my occasional trips to San Francisco helped radicalize me.

[Atheris]

Not everybody can afford to purchase land, and the government can't afford to give it out. Landlords are an unfortunate but necessary evil so that people who can't afford land can get it.

[Lusai]

landlords will be abolished via catboys

[Kubra]

From Karl Marx to Adam Smith, land rent and economic rent in general has been a disliked thing, and rents in general being seen an economically unproductive. I'm with that lot.

[Enlais]

Land as a commodity is bad, land as a place to live is fine.

Ownership necessitates commodity.

Not quite, and this feeds into the divide between personal property and private property, as the two are not the same. Private property is property used to generate passive capital, in its broadest sense, and exists as a commodity. Personal property, however, is not a commodity, and its value, if you want to use that word, stems from everyday use and living rather than passive accumulation of capital through the labour of others.

Another way to view it is private property being a social relationship between the landowner and the tenant, while personal property is a natural relationship between the individual and the object itself.

Not everybody can afford to purchase land, and the government can't afford to give it out. Landlords are an unfortunate but necessary evil so that people who can't afford land can get it.

The government very well could afford to hand land out, it wouldn't cost it anything. Indeed, that's how the land was originally distributed, the government freely handing out land to settlers.

[The Emerald Legion]

Exploitation, unaffordable, life-ruining. Those are the first words which come to mind when I think about "rent". The process of owning land and then renting it out to make a profit is not something I can support. Although there do exist "good landlords", they are rare compared to those who simply purchase and then hoard housing, driving costs up so ordinary people have no choice but to pay great portions of their meager wages to sustain themselves. In fact, within the US it is impossible for those working minimum wage to rent an average apartment. Europeans fare somewhat better. This is all while there exists enough housing in developed countries to provide a home to all homeless peoples.

We see the cruelty of land renting when in midst of the Covid-19 pandemic, landlords are still demanding rent and evicting those who have lost jobs, their family, and their providers. I oppose our system landlords possible- that of buying and selling property. Even Smith noted that "The landlords, like all other men, love to reap where they never sowed, and demand a rent even for the natural produce of the earth."
So, I propose a system where government housing is guaranteed to all persons, using those empty homes and houses owned by landlords and property managers.

NSG, do you think landlords and renting land should exist? Have you suffered at hands of a landlord? Or do you still defend the system?

This, like most other such proposals ignore the fact that housing is a finite resource.

[Cordel One]

Exploitation, unaffordable, life-ruining. Those are the first words which come to mind when I think about "rent". The process of owning land and then renting it out to make a profit is not something I can support. Although there do exist "good landlords", they are rare compared to those who simply purchase and then hoard housing, driving costs up so ordinary people have no choice but to pay great portions of their meager wages to sustain themselves. In fact, within the US it is impossible for those working minimum wage to rent an average apartment. Europeans fare somewhat better. This is all while there exists enough housing in developed countries to provide a home to all homeless peoples.

We see the cruelty of land renting when in midst of the Covid-19 pandemic, landlords are still demanding rent and evicting those who have lost jobs, their family, and their providers. I oppose our system landlords possible- that of buying and selling property. Even Smith noted that "The landlords, like all other men, love to reap where they never sowed, and demand a rent even for the natural produce of the earth."
So, I propose a system where government housing is guaranteed to all persons, using those empty homes and houses owned by landlords and property managers.

NSG, do you think landlords and renting land should exist? Have you suffered at hands of a landlord? Or do you still defend the system?

This, like most other such proposals ignore the fact that housing is a finite resource.

Almost everything is a finite resource, but only some finite resources face scarcity.

[The Emerald Legion]

This, like most other such proposals ignore the fact that housing is a finite resource.

Almost everything is a finite resource, but only some finite resources face scarcity.

Houses are pretty much subject to scarcity by definition. Not all houses are equal in location, construction, or other such conveniences.

[Cordel One]

Almost everything is a finite resource, but only some finite resources face scarcity.

Houses are pretty much subject to scarcity by definition. Not all houses are equal in location, construction, or other such conveniences.

Still, there are enough houses to be avaliable to everyone.