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Thermodolia
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Postby Thermodolia » Wed Jan 06, 2021 1:52 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Loben III wrote:
in what way is this a coup, have they taken over key infrastructure?


They breached the Capitol. A literal definition of a coup

Um no it’s not. At worst it’s an insurrection.

It’s just a riot
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Postby Kowani » Wed Jan 06, 2021 1:52 pm

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Grenartia
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Left-wing Utopia

Postby Grenartia » Wed Jan 06, 2021 1:52 pm

Conservative Republic Of Huang wrote:
Loben III wrote:
the capital is breached every day when in session by self serving bastards and whores calling themselves senators and representatives.

You sound like a neo-Francoist right now.


He is basically a fascist.
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Postby Istoreya » Wed Jan 06, 2021 1:53 pm

Is there any news on the woman that was shot? The one who needed CPR and may have been pregnant?

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San Lumen
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Postby San Lumen » Wed Jan 06, 2021 1:53 pm

Loben III wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
They breached the Capitol. A literal definition of a coup


the capital is breached every day when in session by self serving bastards and whores calling themselves senators and representatives.

You sound like a despot right now.

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Postby Cannot think of a name » Wed Jan 06, 2021 1:54 pm

The Huskar Social Union wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Pence has unfollowed Trump on Twitter

Has he actually?

He doesn't appear to be following theRealDonaldTrump account, just POTUS.
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The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp
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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Wed Jan 06, 2021 1:54 pm

This isn't a coup it's just a riot. A very violent temper tantrum from people who can't accept Trump is a pathetic president. It's over the moment nat guard comes in.

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Postby Greed and Death » Wed Jan 06, 2021 1:54 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
Greed and Death wrote:Nationalizing the guard puts it under federal control. Ie the DOD.

Before it was nationalized the guard could been called forth by the mayor of DC.


Nope. DCNG reports directly to the President.


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Postby Thermodolia » Wed Jan 06, 2021 1:54 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
Greed and Death wrote:Nationalizing the guard puts it under federal control. Ie the DOD.

Before it was nationalized the guard could been called forth by the mayor of DC.


Nope. DCNG reports directly to the President.

And it’s been sent to the area
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Postby Gravlen » Wed Jan 06, 2021 1:54 pm

National embarrassment Lindsey Graham says this is a national embarrassment. He's not wrong.
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Postby Kowani » Wed Jan 06, 2021 1:54 pm

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Postby Jedi Council » Wed Jan 06, 2021 1:54 pm

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:This isn't a coup it's just a riot. A very violent temper tantrum from people who can't accept Trump is a pathetic president. It's over the moment nat guard comes in.

The sooner the better
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Postby Esalia » Wed Jan 06, 2021 1:54 pm

Gravlen wrote:National embarrassment Lindsey Graham says this is a national embarrassment. He's not wrong.


It takes one to know one, I guess.
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Postby SD_Film Artists » Wed Jan 06, 2021 1:55 pm

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Postby Jedi Council » Wed Jan 06, 2021 1:55 pm

Gravlen wrote:National embarrassment Lindsey Graham says this is a national embarrassment. He's not wrong.

It takes one to know one
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The Archregimancy
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Postby The Archregimancy » Wed Jan 06, 2021 1:55 pm

Mike Pence has (genuinely) condemned the attack on the Capitol:

The violence and destruction taking place at the US Capitol Must Stop and it Must Stop Now. Anyone involved must respect Law Enforcement officers and immediately leave the building.


https://twitter.com/Mike_Pence/status/1 ... 9991420928

Peaceful protest is the right of every American but this attack on our Capitol will not be tolerated and those involved will be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.


https://twitter.com/Mike_Pence/status/1 ... 2432374785

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San Lumen
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Postby San Lumen » Wed Jan 06, 2021 1:55 pm

CNN reports Virginia national guard on the way to dc

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Pretty Much God
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Postby Pretty Much God » Wed Jan 06, 2021 1:55 pm

If they were storming the capitol building on their own, because of issues with the government, as a united democrat/republican front, it'd be inspiring.

Nope, instead they had to be MAGA cadets that assembled only because Trump asked them to, because he's scared of losing the popular vote.

Everyone claiming this is a populist revolution is just blind; this is not populist and it's sure as fuck not libertarian. It's Trump using his supporters to threaten the congress into making him president. It's a fucking dictator move and everyone who claims that it's the "will of the people" is blind. You're not at the capitol building because the people hate the government, you're fucking there because your manlet president wants to overturn the democratic process.

It pisses in the face of 200 years of American principles of private ownership of property and peaceful transition of power. Makes an absolute mockery of our Founding Fathers.
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Loben III
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Postby Loben III » Wed Jan 06, 2021 1:55 pm

San Lumen wrote:CNN reports Virginia national guard on the way to dc


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Postby Fartsniffage » Wed Jan 06, 2021 1:56 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
Nope. DCNG reports directly to the President.

And it’s been sent to the area


Hopefully not unarmed like the rest were deployed...

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Jedi Council
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Postby Jedi Council » Wed Jan 06, 2021 1:56 pm

The Archregimancy wrote:Mike Pence has (genuinely) condemned the attack on the Capitol:

The violence and destruction taking place at the US Capitol Must Stop and it Must Stop Now. Anyone involved must respect Law Enforcement officers and immediately leave the building.


https://twitter.com/Mike_Pence/status/1 ... 9991420928

Peaceful protest is the right of every American but this attack on our Capitol will not be tolerated and those involved will be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.


https://twitter.com/Mike_Pence/status/1 ... 2432374785

As if he doesnt realize this is a culmination of the GOP's pandering.
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Kowani
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Postby Kowani » Wed Jan 06, 2021 1:56 pm

American History and Historiography; Political and Labour History, Urbanism, Political Parties, Congressional Procedure, Elections.

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Greed and Death
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Postby Greed and Death » Wed Jan 06, 2021 1:56 pm

San Lumen wrote:CNN reports Virginia national guard on the way to dc

Who is the commanding officer and will Trump order them to stand down like DC ?
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Nejii
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Postby Nejii » Wed Jan 06, 2021 1:56 pm

Baloo Kingdom wrote:
Nejii wrote:Newsmax and CNN have some juicy footage. ‘Bloody hell...

Tear gas, smoke grenades, fistfights, shootings, this is... mm...

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I was singing the Horst-Wessel-Lied earlier myself in joking context. Before this turned severe anyway.
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