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Sanghyeok
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Democratic Socialists

Postby Sanghyeok » Thu Jan 07, 2021 11:49 am

Kanadorika wrote:
Heloin wrote:Accusing Emerald of all people of being a radical socialist is fucking hilarious.

In America, anybody who doesn't support Trump is a communist. I've been called a communist for supporting Monarchism lmao.

Monarcho-socialism?
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Asherahan
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Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Asherahan » Thu Jan 07, 2021 11:50 am

The Galactic Liberal Democracy wrote:
Asherahan wrote:You maybe right or you maybe wrong I don't know I am not an American but what America does have is systemic racism problem you haven't outgrown left from the civil war and after.

You people should start by just making it law that anyone who support the confederacy or flag waves the confederate flag out side of historical or RP reasons is a traitor and should be persecuted by the law as such.

Well, Trump supporters are Confederacy LARPers anyway, I doubt that would change anything.

There is difference between LRAPing in a field in uniform and flag waving the confederate flag in a political rally.
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Anarchy

Postby Zurkerx » Thu Jan 07, 2021 11:50 am

Nakena wrote:
Page wrote:Honestly I'm not going to give any credit to anyone who resigns from the regime. Quitting your job 2 weeks early with millions in your bank account isn't exactly the pinnacle of courage.


Thing is Elaine Chao is probably the one pulling the strings of her hubby (McConnell) and was one who didn cared about anything before. She being quitting the party is a strong indication that the bust is about to come.


Yeah, the Republican Party now realizes that Trump is a liability- and that any short term damage is worth it. Trump has been very quiet and even Pence is pissed.

Hell, I would be too: Trump pressured Pence to engineer a coup, then put the VP in danger, which if true, shows the extent Trump was willing to go. Doesn't help either that Trump and his top aides didn't bother to check on him either. The President has made many new enemies I see.
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Democratic Socialists

Postby Tranzoria » Thu Jan 07, 2021 11:50 am

Sanghyeok wrote:
Kanadorika wrote:In America, anybody who doesn't support Trump is a communist. I've been called a communist for supporting Monarchism lmao.

Monarcho-socialism?

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San Lumen
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New York Times Democracy

Postby San Lumen » Thu Jan 07, 2021 11:51 am

Zurkerx wrote:
Nakena wrote:
Thing is Elaine Chao is probably the one pulling the strings of her hubby (McConnell) and was one who didn cared about anything before. She being quitting the party is a strong indication that the bust is about to come.


Yeah, the Republican Party now realizes that Trump is a liability- and that any short term damage is worth it. Trump has been very quiet and even Pence is pissed.

Hell, I would be too: Trump pressured Pence to engineer a coup, then put the VP in danger, which if true, shows the extent Trump was willing to go. Doesn't help either that Trump and his top aides didn't bother to check on him either. The President has made many new enemies I see.

How much of his supporters will accept that though and keep voting in future elections?

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Kowani
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Democratic Socialists

Postby Kowani » Thu Jan 07, 2021 11:51 am

read your own damn sources
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Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Rusozak » Thu Jan 07, 2021 11:52 am

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Nuroblav
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Left-wing Utopia

Postby Nuroblav » Thu Jan 07, 2021 11:53 am

Sahravana wrote:Like the other socialist leftist radicals, I see that since you could not address my logical argument you attacked a spelling error instead. Hint: that means that you lost the argument

TEL is hardly a 'socialist leftist radical'. Funnily enough they're one of the most capitalist people I know here :lol:
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Liberal Democratic Socialists

Postby The Alma Mater » Thu Jan 07, 2021 11:53 am

New Vedan wrote:
Tranzoria wrote:When both Democrats and Republicans agree that they need to build a wall.



Yep, and it's a crying shame that it's supposed to keep the politicians away from the people. Tho I cant really say I blame them after last night.

I am disappointed it is not a moat.
They could add alligators.
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New Vedan
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Father Knows Best State

Postby New Vedan » Thu Jan 07, 2021 11:53 am

Asherahan wrote:
The Emerald Legion wrote:
Aside from a couple very specific circumstances there you're rather wrong.

You maybe right or you maybe wrong I don't know I am not an American but what America does have is systemic racism problem you haven't outgrown left from the civil war and after.

You people should start by just making it law that anyone who support the confederacy or flag waves the confederate flag out side of historical or RP reasons is a traitor and should be persecuted by the law as such.




Yea no, that would only add fuel to the fire my friend. (And would be unconstituional). Also our "systematic racism" problem has been around long before the cival war, or the revolution for that matter. And will most likely not be resolved before the end of this century.

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Nakena
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Left-Leaning College State

Postby Nakena » Thu Jan 07, 2021 11:54 am

Usually DC used to be protected by various agencies and security forces, a lot of them plainclothed etc. and not necessarily apparent.

Seems they were all mysteriously absent yesterday.
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Democratic Socialists

Postby Tranzoria » Thu Jan 07, 2021 11:54 am

The Alma Mater wrote:
New Vedan wrote:

Yep, and it's a crying shame that it's supposed to keep the politicians away from the people. Tho I cant really say I blame them after last night.

I am disappointed it is not a moat.
They could add alligators.

Let's build a Tower and pour burning oil out of it.
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Farnhamia
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Left-Leaning College State

Postby Farnhamia » Thu Jan 07, 2021 11:54 am


Yes, me too. Still, a couple of state attorneys-general have said that if you live in our state and went to DC and stormed the Capitol, we can and will prosecute you here. *shrug* I dunno.

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Asherahan
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Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Asherahan » Thu Jan 07, 2021 11:54 am

New Vedan wrote:
Asherahan wrote:You maybe right or you maybe wrong I don't know I am not an American but what America does have is systemic racism problem you haven't outgrown left from the civil war and after.

You people should start by just making it law that anyone who support the confederacy or flag waves the confederate flag out side of historical or RP reasons is a traitor and should be persecuted by the law as such.




Yea no, that would only add fuel to the fire my friend. (And would be unconstituional). Also our "systematic racism" problem has been around long before the cival war, or the revolution for that matter. And will most likely not be resolved before the end of this century.

Banning the flag of the traitors is unconstitutional? Really?
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Founded: Nov 18, 2019
New York Times Democracy

Postby Insaanistan » Thu Jan 07, 2021 11:55 am

His Excellence wrote:
Insaanistan wrote:^This.
Ahmaud Arbery was jogging.
Breonna Taylor was sleeping.
George Floyd was going to the store.
Jacob Blake was walking to his car after trying to stop a fight.

Breonna Taylor went from dating one drug dealer to another, but it's the cops' fault that her boyfriend started a shootout with them while she was nearby, supposedly on the pretense of thinking it was the ex-boyfriend coming into the house, and she died during it.
George Floyd was overdosing from a combination of drugs and saying he couldn't breathe before he even got out of his vehicle, and the cops did more to comply with him than he did to comply with them, but again, cops' fault that he died of an overdose (as the autopsy showed) while restrained.
Jacob Blake was attempting to steal house keys from an ex-girlfriend and had a warrant for sexual assaulting a teenager, resisted arrest, and by his own admission was wielding a knife when the cops' shot him... but if you notice the pattern here, again, totally the cops' fault.

Ahmaud Arbery was the victim of a hate crime. That is true. But then he, and every other black person targeted by a hate crime, gets lumped in with anybody of a similar color who dies anywhere near law enforcement. I didn't hear anything about Arbery more than a couple days after he was killed, while all these fictionalized martyrs get months of air time and outrage, because it serves a purpose to the people in power. That disgusts me. Actual hate crimes getting shoved aside in favor of a narrative.

When people say "I can't breathe," it used to be in reference to Eric Garner, a man who was murdered by police officers for no reason but the color of his skin. What used to be a sincere rallying cry against police brutality has now become associated with an overdose of fentanyl and meth, the massive civil unrest it inspired, and subsequent suffering inflicted on black communities in the name of Black Lives Matter.


Before I respond to this crap, you realize that Floyd didn’t die from drugs, right?
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San Lumen
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New York Times Democracy

Postby San Lumen » Thu Jan 07, 2021 11:55 am

Asherahan wrote:
The Emerald Legion wrote:
Aside from a couple very specific circumstances there you're rather wrong.

You maybe right or you maybe wrong I don't know I am not an American but what America does have is systemic racism problem you haven't outgrown left from the civil war and after.

You people should start by just making it law that anyone who support the confederacy or flag waves the confederate flag out side of historical or RP reasons is a traitor and should be persecuted by the law as such.

That would not fit under the definition of treason and could not prosecuted as such.

The definition is as follows: Article III, Section 3 of the United States Constitution, treason is specifically limited to levying war against the US, or adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfor
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Father Knows Best State

Postby The Emerald Legion » Thu Jan 07, 2021 11:55 am

Tranzoria wrote:
Sanghyeok wrote:Monarcho-socialism?

Emperor Sanders.


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Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby Vassenor » Thu Jan 07, 2021 11:56 am

His Excellence wrote:
Insaanistan wrote:^This.
Ahmaud Arbery was jogging.
Breonna Taylor was sleeping.
George Floyd was going to the store.
Jacob Blake was walking to his car after trying to stop a fight.

Breonna Taylor went from dating one drug dealer to another, but it's the cops' fault that her boyfriend started a shootout with them while she was nearby, supposedly on the pretense of thinking it was the ex-boyfriend coming into the house, and she died during it.
George Floyd was overdosing from a combination of drugs and saying he couldn't breathe before he even got out of his vehicle, and the cops did more to comply with him than he did to comply with them, but again, cops' fault that he died of an overdose (as the autopsy showed) while restrained.
Jacob Blake was attempting to steal house keys from an ex-girlfriend and had a warrant for sexual assaulting a teenager, resisted arrest, and by his own admission was wielding a knife when the cops' shot him... but if you notice the pattern here, again, totally the cops' fault.

Ahmaud Arbery was the victim of a hate crime. That is true. But then he, and every other black person targeted by a hate crime, gets lumped in with anybody of a similar color who dies anywhere near law enforcement. I didn't hear anything about Arbery more than a couple days after he was killed, while all these fictionalized martyrs get months of air time and outrage, because it serves a purpose to the people in power. That disgusts me. Actual hate crimes getting shoved aside in favor of a narrative.

When people say "I can't breathe," it used to be in reference to Eric Garner, a man who was murdered by police officers for no reason but the color of his skin. What used to be a sincere rallying cry against police brutality has now become associated with an overdose of fentanyl and meth, the massive civil unrest it inspired, and subsequent suffering inflicted on black communities in the name of Black Lives Matter.


Amazing. Every word in that post was wrong.
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Democratic Socialists

Postby Kowani » Thu Jan 07, 2021 11:56 am

Trump attempts to go back to business as usual



Nakena wrote:Usually DC used to be protected by various agencies and security forces, a lot of them plainclothed etc. and not necessarily apparent.

Seems they were all mysteriously absent yesterday.

I posts this earlier, but it’s worth doing again:
They were too “concerned about optics”
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Democratic Socialists

Postby Tranzoria » Thu Jan 07, 2021 11:56 am

Farnhamia wrote:
Rusozak wrote:
I'll believe it when I see it.

Yes, me too. Still, a couple of state attorneys-general have said that if you live in our state and went to DC and stormed the Capitol, we can and will prosecute you here. *shrug* I dunno.

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Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Untecna » Thu Jan 07, 2021 11:56 am

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New York Times Democracy

Postby Nevertopia » Thu Jan 07, 2021 11:56 am

The Alma Mater wrote:
Nevertopia wrote:Ever feel like all the Q-Anon conspiracy theorists are a bunch of LARPers? All they care about is preserving their objectively wrong, fantastical world view that they want to inhabit in. They want to feel special, like the world is flat, that magic exists and science is deception. Any time something from the real world punctures their world view they try to add in more lore and mythical figures to console themselves like an aggressive "dark" army thats trying to break down their world or a god emperor of man who will save them. The more I think about it the more it seems like Q-Anons are a bunch of conspiracy weebs.


Q-Anon is more insidious. It works by encouraging you to "do your own research" - or at least pretending you will be doing that.
Instead they start you on a trail of crumbs leading to the path they want you to take. And since you are convinced that*YOU* discovered everything, your belief in it is strengthened. So much easier to believe that the media is telling lies when you "discovered" those "lies" yourself.


youre giving them too much credit. theyre obsessed LARPers who want you to believe anime is real.
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Anarchy

Postby Zurkerx » Thu Jan 07, 2021 11:59 am



Imagine seeing "Normal and Trump in the same sentence. He wishes but after yesterday, there's no way for him out of this: even he can't spin what transpired yesterday.
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Compulsory Consumerist State

Postby Des-Bal » Thu Jan 07, 2021 11:59 am

Vassenor wrote:
Amazing. Every word in that post was wrong.



Vassenor claims Breonna Taylor did not die in a shootout with police.
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