American Politics I: It's All Applesauce

[San Lumen]

That Trump is not well mentally was clear to everyone for the past few years.

So.. how much blame can be assigned to his lying physician and his republican aides who, instead of making sure he got the care he needed, decided instead to let him descend into the twisted kingdom of his mind ?

I still don't think there is strong evidence that Trump has any kind of mental illness. He's a narcissist but that's a different thing. Depression, anxiety, OCD, these are things you have, while narcissism and psychopathy are who you are.

Not true. Narcissism can be a mental disorder.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narciss ... y_disorder

[Borderlands of Rojava]

The only difference separating yesterday from 18th Brumaire was the absence of grenadiers loyal to Donald Trump following the mob.

Oh please. Trump's most serious coup attempt was a thousand people orderly filing into the capitol, taking selfies, and filing back out a few hours later. So fearsome. I quake in my boots when I consider the state of our democracy.

Orderly filing in? They literally trashed the building.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

Peaceful hippies liveing in a commune are now just as bad as people who commit terrorism.

They weren’t peaceful, they were just so bad at violence that they practically weren’t a threat, sort of like the MAGA crowd of yesterday, they went in and… did what? Just stood around

Stole things, attacked media, took down the flag and, attacked cops.

This was terrorism.

CHAZ did nothing other then just exist.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

Oh please. Trump's most serious coup attempt was a thousand people orderly filing into the capitol, taking selfies, and filing back out a few hours later. So fearsome. I quake in my boots when I consider the state of our democracy.

Orderly filing in? They literally trashed the building.

And attacked media.

[Esternial]

I still don't think there is strong evidence that Trump has any kind of mental illness. He's a narcissist but that's a different thing. Depression, anxiety, OCD, these are things you have, while narcissism and psychopathy are who you are.

Not true. Narcissism can be a mental disorder.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narciss ... y_disorder

Maybe he's just senile. Dude's old and probably not taking good care of himself, at all.

[San Lumen]

Oh please. Trump's most serious coup attempt was a thousand people orderly filing into the capitol, taking selfies, and filing back out a few hours later. So fearsome. I quake in my boots when I consider the state of our democracy.

Orderly filing in? They literally trashed the building.

I hope every single one of them is identified like those who where at Charlottesville.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

How is it no more interesting than before?

Lets break it down.

So many unprecedented things happened yesterday and this morning...

New in the context of America perhaps, not particularly new in context of world history. Novel perhaps, and certainly a culture shock for the US.

in the midst of a pandemic thats killed over 350,000 Americans,

Not new, heck, Spanish Flu killed almost double that in the US alone. The AIDS pandemic has also killed double that...although granted they both had a lot longer to do their damage.

a massive global recession,

Not remotely new, And pandemics are well linked to global recession, it's almost inevitable one leads to the other.

massive protests and riots all year long,

Not new.

and the edging of our nation to war with yet another Middle Eastern country.

As you admit, not new, although it's been a while since you Americans had a proper war in the middle east, I dunno if you can get withdrawal symptoms from not starting wars?

The 2000s had two wars and a global recession and the public didn't react like this and our politics didn't get this dirty.
Our nation is in continual crisis mode and we aren't gonna be out of this for a while yet.

Maybe, but once you appreciate that society as a whole has been through these things before and come out the other side more than a few times, you start to appreciate that there's a difference between outright hysteria and a problem that can be overcome. And yeah, I don't say this to play down the problems you've illustrated, but rather to put all these things into proper context. They are all individually objectively bad things, but none of them are particularly new problems that have not been overcome before.

Nah this is different. The last 4 years aren't how American politics were in like 2002.

Thats a narrow, selfish, Americocentric window of time by which to measure such things. You do know things happen outside the US and happened before 2002 right?

Well I'm talking about America. Yes, the rest of the world has dealt with stuff like this since the beginning of time .

[Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana]

They weren’t peaceful, they were just so bad at violence that they practically weren’t a threat, sort of like the MAGA crowd of yesterday, they went in and… did what? Just stood around

Stole things, attacked media, took down the flag and, attacked cops.

This was terrorism.

CHAZ did nothing other then just exist.

CHAZ allegedly extorted businesses, prevented law enforcement from getting into the area which caused the infamous shooting and death, and filled the streets with litter

[Vassenor]

CNN’s Kaitlan Collins Reports Trump Was ‘Borderline Enthusiastic’ Watching Mob of Supporters Storm, Ransack Capitol

President Donald Trump put out a video — after his supporters had stormed the Capitol as part of a massive violent riot — telling people to be peaceful and go home (though the video started out with the same lies about a stolen election that riled them up in the first place).

CNN’s Kaitlan Collins reported Wednesday night on how the president was really feeling behind closed doors while watching all this unfold.

Collins told Don Lemon early on Thursday morning that more resignations are coming, including possibly from National Security Adviser Robert O’Brien. (Deputy national security adviser Matthew Pottinger, who Collins said was also considering resigning, has since resigned.)

She went on to detail how people in the White House were “shaken” by the president’s response to the violence:

“He did not come out outright and condemn it. Actually, they had to convince him to send in the National Guard. He was very resistant to that at the beginning. And I’m told by one person that he was borderline enthusiastic over watching people wearing his sweatshirts, waving his flags going up to Capitol Hill and derailing the certification process, which is what the president wanted his Republican lawmaker allies do to.

“He was fine with what was happening earlier today on Capitol Hill, according to multiple people who have spoken with the president today who have described him as manic and other things, just talking about this reaction that they just do not believe that is normal,” she added.

New York Times correspondent Maggie Haberman piggybacks on Collins with her own reporting, on Twitter: “Many aides believed Trump was pleased by what he was seeing on TV at the Capitol, as he repeatedly refused requests to get him to say something clearly rejecting the violence.”

[San Lumen]

CNN’s Kaitlan Collins Reports Trump Was ‘Borderline Enthusiastic’ Watching Mob of Supporters Storm, Ransack Capitol

President Donald Trump put out a video — after his supporters had stormed the Capitol as part of a massive violent riot — telling people to be peaceful and go home (though the video started out with the same lies about a stolen election that riled them up in the first place).

CNN’s Kaitlan Collins reported Wednesday night on how the president was really feeling behind closed doors while watching all this unfold.

Collins told Don Lemon early on Thursday morning that more resignations are coming, including possibly from National Security Adviser Robert O’Brien. (Deputy national security adviser Matthew Pottinger, who Collins said was also considering resigning, has since resigned.)

She went on to detail how people in the White House were “shaken” by the president’s response to the violence:

“He did not come out outright and condemn it. Actually, they had to convince him to send in the National Guard. He was very resistant to that at the beginning. And I’m told by one person that he was borderline enthusiastic over watching people wearing his sweatshirts, waving his flags going up to Capitol Hill and derailing the certification process, which is what the president wanted his Republican lawmaker allies do to.

“He was fine with what was happening earlier today on Capitol Hill, according to multiple people who have spoken with the president today who have described him as manic and other things, just talking about this reaction that they just do not believe that is normal,” she added.

New York Times correspondent Maggie Haberman piggybacks on Collins with her own reporting, on Twitter: “Many aides believed Trump was pleased by what he was seeing on TV at the Capitol, as he repeatedly refused requests to get him to say something clearly rejecting the violence.”

There is no way he’s getting the nomination in 2024 after this. A lot of Republicans won’t want to be seen with him in 2022.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

CNN’s Kaitlan Collins Reports Trump Was ‘Borderline Enthusiastic’ Watching Mob of Supporters Storm, Ransack Capitol

President Donald Trump put out a video — after his supporters had stormed the Capitol as part of a massive violent riot — telling people to be peaceful and go home (though the video started out with the same lies about a stolen election that riled them up in the first place).

CNN’s Kaitlan Collins reported Wednesday night on how the president was really feeling behind closed doors while watching all this unfold.

Collins told Don Lemon early on Thursday morning that more resignations are coming, including possibly from National Security Adviser Robert O’Brien. (Deputy national security adviser Matthew Pottinger, who Collins said was also considering resigning, has since resigned.)

She went on to detail how people in the White House were “shaken” by the president’s response to the violence:

“He did not come out outright and condemn it. Actually, they had to convince him to send in the National Guard. He was very resistant to that at the beginning. And I’m told by one person that he was borderline enthusiastic over watching people wearing his sweatshirts, waving his flags going up to Capitol Hill and derailing the certification process, which is what the president wanted his Republican lawmaker allies do to.

“He was fine with what was happening earlier today on Capitol Hill, according to multiple people who have spoken with the president today who have described him as manic and other things, just talking about this reaction that they just do not believe that is normal,” she added.

New York Times correspondent Maggie Haberman piggybacks on Collins with her own reporting, on Twitter: “Many aides believed Trump was pleased by what he was seeing on TV at the Capitol, as he repeatedly refused requests to get him to say something clearly rejecting the violence.”

I'm pretty sure Trump was hoping congress was gonna be exterminated. This dude would have been laughing watching the capitol building burn down and he needs to be removed now.

[Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana]

CNN’s Kaitlan Collins Reports Trump Was ‘Borderline Enthusiastic’ Watching Mob of Supporters Storm, Ransack Capitol

I'm pretty sure Trump was hoping congress was gonna be exterminated. This dude would have been laughing watching the capitol building burn down and he needs to be removed now.

The sun is turning purple, we agree on something

[Fartsniffage]

[San Lumen]

CNN’s Kaitlan Collins Reports Trump Was ‘Borderline Enthusiastic’ Watching Mob of Supporters Storm, Ransack Capitol

I'm pretty sure Trump was hoping congress was gonna be exterminated. This dude would have been laughing watching the capitol building burn down and he needs to be removed now.

It’s a miracle a member of congress wasn’t injured or killed. This could have easily been much worse.

[Jerzylvania]

CNN’s Kaitlan Collins Reports Trump Was ‘Borderline Enthusiastic’ Watching Mob of Supporters Storm, Ransack Capitol

I'm pretty sure Trump was hoping congress was gonna be exterminated. This dude would have been laughing watching the capitol building burn down and he needs to be removed now.

Yep. Donny really wanted his burning the Reichstag moment.

25th his treasonous ass out.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

I'm pretty sure Trump was hoping congress was gonna be exterminated. This dude would have been laughing watching the capitol building burn down and he needs to be removed now.

It’s a miracle a member of congress wasn’t injured or killed. This could have easily been much worse.

This failed simply because Trump and the fans who rushed the capitol aren't very smart. Their tactics for the attempted coup were limited to "run as fast as you can into the capitol building and break shit," and there was no plan after that.

[No State Here]

Logs in

GHK denounced Trump and said he’s an ex-Trump supporter

2021 just got better

Now only if GMS jumps off the Trump Train before it crashes, I certainly hope so. I think it’s pointless to keep holding this over ex-Trump supporters after they have denounced him, it’s good to reconciliate and heal rather than fuel the divide

[Borderlands of Rojava]

Logs in

GHK denounced Trump and said he’s an ex-Trump supporter

2021 just got better

I can already tell this year will be weirder than last.

[Thermodolia]

Same.
Wonder how we will remember him in the future?

He will not be remembered well. James Buchanan is no longer the worst president

No Buchanan is still the worst on account of the civil war

[San Lumen]

It’s a miracle a member of congress wasn’t injured or killed. This could have easily been much worse.

This failed simply because Trump and the fans who rushed the capitol aren't very smart. Their tactics for the attempted coup were limited to "run as fast as you can into the capitol building and break shit," and there was no plan after that.

That seems plausible. Had it been organized it could have easily turned into a hostage situation or a mass murder.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

He will not be remembered well. James Buchanan is no longer the worst president

No Buchanan is still the worst on account of the civil war

James Buchanan didn't actively try to destroy the United States. Trump did.

[Insaanistan]

No Buchanan is still the worst on account of the civil war

James Buchanan didn't actively try to destroy the United States. Trump did.

^This

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

Stole things, attacked media, took down the flag and, attacked cops.

This was terrorism.

CHAZ did nothing other then just exist.

CHAZ allegedly extorted businesses, prevented law enforcement from getting into the area which caused the infamous shooting and death, and filled the streets with litter

Chaz did not however try to over turn the results of an election via terrorism.

This was the president committing treason and his supporters being domestic terrorists.

[Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana]

No Buchanan is still the worst on account of the civil war

James Buchanan didn't actively try to destroy the United States. Trump did.

You sure about that? Take a look at some of his letters to aides and friends in the South after South Carolina seceded

[The Alma Mater]

That Trump is not well mentally was clear to everyone for the past few years.

So.. how much blame can be assigned to his lying physician and his republican aides who, instead of making sure he got the care he needed, decided instead to let him descend into the twisted kingdom of his mind ?

I still don't think there is strong evidence that Trump has any kind of mental illness. He's a narcissist but that's a different thing. Depression, anxiety, OCD, these are things you have, while narcissism and psychopathy are who you are.

Trump genuinely believes the conspiracy theories he himself made up. I had my doubts about that at first, but his speeches, the leaked phonecall etc. make it clear he truly believes all the nonsensical claims and is not just acting.

It is like claiming you are superman to impress girls; but repeating that so often that at some point your TRULY believe you can jump off a skyscraper without any ill effect. Friends *should* stop you before you do that. With Trump, they are egging him on to try.

Those people deserve blame.