American Politics I: It's All Applesauce

[Cedoria]

Mike Pence is very unhappy with Trump

Given the position Trump put him in, he should be.
I mean, I loathe Pence, but I seriously doubt even he is Ok with Trump unleashing mob violence on him.

[The Marlborough]

The early 2000's with Coca-Cola. A lot of Brazilian logging and agriculture companies also routinely kill indigenous people in their pursuit of destroying the Amazon Rainforest. Canada's mining companies also have a pretty brutal reputation in parts of Latin America.

That’s statism. Warlords, gangs and other violent groups are pretty much mini-states anyway.

[CoraSpia]

Nah, significantly older and more senior. I think he ran for president once but didn't get very far in the primaries.

I might recognize him if you had a picture.

Found him by looking for lists of people who supported Trump's electoral fraud claims. I was talking about Newt Gingrich.

[The Orson Empire]

Mike Pence is very unhappy with Trump

Given the position Trump put him in, he should be.
I mean, I loathe Pence, but I seriously doubt even he is Ok with Trump unleashing mob violence on him.

Ehh, Pence should've grown a spine a long time ago. He dug his own grave.

[Cedoria]

Good. Better to lance a boil now then let it fester.

Topple the Republican Party and let tyd Democratic Party seize total government control and perhaps even simply insert replacement officials rather than hold elections. A far-left takeover offer government followed by a ram-through of their entire party agenda. Can you say “Marxist authoritarianism”?

A far-left takeover? The DEMOCRATS? Hah! I fricking wish.

[Esternial]

Mike Pence is very unhappy with Trump

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Can you post an excerpt/screenshot?

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Idk if you know who I mean, but I've forgotten his name. What happened to that other aging former politician who was seriously loyal to Trump? He seems to have disappeared.

Jeff Sessions? Giuliani was a more universally beloved figure after the events of 9/11. What happened with Sessions was humiliating, but it wasn't disgraceful.

I don't even think Giuliani even deserved all that 9/11 love. I mean what did he really do?

"Mr. Mayor, the biggest terrorist attack in history just happened. Should we send every cop and firefighter and make available every resource to dealing with this situation?"

"Yes." A 4 year old could have done that. I mean who wouldn't have done that? It's not like another person in his position would say "eh, whatever, we'll get around to cleaning up the rubble eventually, I'm going golfing now."

[Kowani]

Also, I posted this earlier, but most people thought it was fake: Maduro is making fun of the US and condemning the "spiral of violence"

[Cedoria]

Given the position Trump put him in, he should be.
I mean, I loathe Pence, but I seriously doubt even he is Ok with Trump unleashing mob violence on him.

Ehh, Pence should've grown a spine a long time ago. He dug his own grave.

Yep, it’s a position he definitely landed himself in.
The good news is he’ll likely get nothing out of it, he’ll never be President now. Hope it was worth it Mike, you useless sack of trash.

[Punished UMN]

Jeff Sessions? Giuliani was a more universally beloved figure after the events of 9/11. What happened with Sessions was humiliating, but it wasn't disgraceful.

I don't even think Giuliani even deserved all that 9/11 love. I mean what did he really do?

"Mr. Mayor, the biggest terrorist attack in history just happened. Should we send every cop and firefighter and make available every resource to dealing with this situation?"

"Yes." A 4 year old could have done that. I mean who wouldn't have done that? It's not like another person in his position would say "eh, whatever, we'll get around to cleaning up the rubble eventually, I'm going golfing now."

You underestimate this country's power.

[CoraSpia]

When did Rand Paul go so far down the rabbit hole? He used to be alright.

[Picairn]

Also, I posted this earlier, but most people thought it was fake: Maduro is making fun of the US and condemning the "spiral of violence"

"Quick, this is our only chance to prove the US is just as bad as us!"

[Cedoria]

When did Rand Paul go so far down the rabbit hole? He used to be alright.

No he didn’t. He always sucked. His dad managed to both be awful and occasionally not, but Rand always sucked.

[Nejii]

Topple the Republican Party and let tyd Democratic Party seize total government control and perhaps even simply insert replacement officials rather than hold elections. A far-left takeover offer government followed by a ram-through of their entire party agenda. Can you say “Marxist authoritarianism”?

The Democratic Party are, as a whole, milquetoast leftists. They don't let their radical wing anywhere near the real levers of power.

Agree to disagree on that second part. I mean sure the mob elements don’t hold any sort of office or committee, but also remember that you have to appease your voter base.

That’s actually one thing that made me lean more right in years past. The left has a growing violent element in their ranks that’s just gaining more power. Just look at the squad for example and their firebrand tactics and their supporter base. That said, after today... yeesh... looks like I’m camping in the direct middle again for a while.

[The Orson Empire]

Ehh, Pence should've grown a spine a long time ago. He dug his own grave.

Yep, it’s a position he definitely landed himself in.
The good news is he’ll likely get nothing out of it, he’ll never be President now. Hope it was worth it Mike, you useless sack of trash.

Not sure what he expected to get out of being Trump's lame sidekick. Trump used and abused Pence, and then left him out to dry once shit finally hit the fan.

[Kowani]

Mike Pence is very unhappy with Trump

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Can you post an excerpt/screenshot?

"U.S. Sen. Jim Inhofe has been in Congress 34 years and in politics more than 50. As mayor of Tulsa, he once had garbage dumped on his lawn by angry residents.

But it’s unlikely anything matched what he experienced Wednesday when the U.S. Capitol was stormed by people apparently intent on keeping President Donald Trump in office.

“I’d say there were at least 1,000 people in the building,” Inhofe said by telephone Wednesday evening.

Inhofe hedged on who he thought might be to blame for what happened, but he allowed that Trump did not do enough to stop it.

“He’s only put out one statement that I’m aware of,” Inhofe said. “This was really a riot. He should have shown more disdain for the rioters. I don’t want to say he should have apologized — that’s not exactly accurate — but he should have expressed more disdain.”

Instead, Trump directed his disdain toward Vice President Mike Pence, who refused to do what Trump wanted him to do — illegally refuse to accept the final election results in his role as Senate president.

By doing so, he may have alienated one of his most steadfast allies.

“I’ve known Mike Pence forever,” Inhofe said Tuesday night. “I’ve never seen Pence as angry as he was today.

“I had a long conversation with him,” said Inhofe. “He said, ‘After all the things I’ve done for (Trump).’”

Aside from Wednesday’s attempted takeover of the Capitol, the past few days have been difficult for Inhofe because he refused to go along with protesting the Electoral College results.

“We’ve had calls. We’ve had threats. … I have many very, very close friends mad at me, when all I’m doing is upholding my oath,” Inhofe said.

He and many other conservatives say the law and the Constitution do not give Congress the authority to challenge electoral votes certified by the various states and the District of Columbia.

He also doesn’t think it’s something Republicans should be doing.

“Republicans have always been for states’ rights,” Inhofe said. “Democrats are the ones who always tried to nationalize elections.”

Inhofe said he never felt in danger Wednesday, but he said he was irritated to see someone rifling through his desk while he watched on television.

“They broke in on the House side and were coming toward (the Senate)” when senators were led outside to a nearby office building — although Inhofe broke away to go to his own office.

“My daughter is in town,” he said. “I didn’t want to leave her alone.”

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Also, I posted this earlier, but most people thought it was fake: Maduro is making fun of the US and condemning the "spiral of violence"

It's natural for him to be amused that the CIA spent so much time and resources destabilizing Venezuela that they couldn't spare a single dude to monitor the Trumpers.

[The Marlborough]

More like a military schism. Remember that military types from senior brass to enlisted men are on average more right-wing. Especially those who have seen active duty.

I doubt it. The brass already refused to follow Trump when he tried to deploy troops during the George Floyd protests.

That's simply because the senior officer cadre is still traditionalist in a lot of ways. A number of service branches are known to have far more Trump loyalists among the enlisted and junior officers. Generally speaking from what I've been told, Army and USMC combat MOS and the SF community are pretty solid pro-Trump bastions within the military. USAF fighter pilots is a mixed bag, but I mean a lot of them are still incredibly crazy still considering how they have quite a number of Apocalypticists.

[Cedoria]

The Democratic Party are, as a whole, milquetoast leftists. They don't let their radical wing anywhere near the real levers of power.

Agree to disagree on that second part. I mean sure the mob elements don’t hold any sort of office or committee, but also remember that you have to appease your voter base.

That’s actually one thing that made me lean more right in years past. The left has a growing violent element in their ranks that’s just gaining more power. Just look at the squad for example and their firebrand tactics and their supporter base. That said, after today... yeesh... looks like I’m camping in the direct middle again for a while.

Dude, you just witnessed a freaking MAGA coup attempt and you still on about the violence of the left?
Good to know you care more about things that might hypothetically happen then things that are actually happening in the real world.

[Kubra]

It is a very absurd classification. Otherwise all of the good old independence movements were terroristic.

That's nonsensical. Independence movements are about asserting the will of the people.

This is about overthrowing the stated will of the people and installing a would-be dictator -- one with no consideration of democracy and and no apparent beliefs besides "Donald Trump cannot be wrong" -- in its place.

They are not comparable in any way.

These fellas think they embody the will of the people, and it's not as if independence movements hold referendums to decide whether or not to revolt.

[Nejii]

When did Rand Paul go so far down the rabbit hole? He used to be alright.

No he didn’t. He always sucked. His dad managed to both be awful and occasionally not, but Rand always sucked.

I have no respect for him because he’s so wishy-washy. He tries to play at being a centrist but in truth he literally just jumps the gap, not stand on the bridge.

[Valrifell]

Topple the Republican Party and let tyd Democratic Party seize total government control and perhaps even simply insert replacement officials rather than hold elections. A far-left takeover offer government followed by a ram-through of their entire party agenda. Can you say “Marxist authoritarianism”?

A far-left takeover? The DEMOCRATS? Hah! I fricking wish.

Remember, trying to hold the Republicans accountable to their shitty actions is insurrection against the Republic and a hostile takeover of democracy, even when the Republicans in question literally just supported that kind of action against the lawfully elected President-elect.

[CoraSpia]

The Democratic Party are, as a whole, milquetoast leftists. They don't let their radical wing anywhere near the real levers of power.

Agree to disagree on that second part. I mean sure the mob elements don’t hold any sort of office or committee, but also remember that you have to appease your voter base.

That’s actually one thing that made me lean more right in years past. The left has a growing violent element in their ranks that’s just gaining more power. Just look at the squad for example and their firebrand tactics and their supporter base. That said, after today... yeesh... looks like I’m camping in the direct middle again for a while.

Both political extremes have a problem with the idea of free speech, although I'd say the left slightly more than the right. Not a fan of either extreme.

[Nejii]

Agree to disagree on that second part. I mean sure the mob elements don’t hold any sort of office or committee, but also remember that you have to appease your voter base.

That’s actually one thing that made me lean more right in years past. The left has a growing violent element in their ranks that’s just gaining more power. Just look at the squad for example and their firebrand tactics and their supporter base. That said, after today... yeesh... looks like I’m camping in the direct middle again for a while.

Dude, you just witnessed a freaking MAGA coup attempt and you still on about the violence of the left?
Good to know you care more about things that might hypothetically happen then things that are actually happening in the real world.

In the last year both sides have exhibited violence. ‘Thing is, the left did it all summer, fall, and winter. The right started day one today. I mean as far as violent type shenanigans.

[Cedoria]

Can you post an excerpt/screenshot?

"U.S. Sen. Jim Inhofe has been in Congress 34 years and in politics more than 50. As mayor of Tulsa, he once had garbage dumped on his lawn by angry residents.

But it’s unlikely anything matched what he experienced Wednesday when the U.S. Capitol was stormed by people apparently intent on keeping President Donald Trump in office.

“I’d say there were at least 1,000 people in the building,” Inhofe said by telephone Wednesday evening.

Inhofe hedged on who he thought might be to blame for what happened, but he allowed that Trump did not do enough to stop it.

“He’s only put out one statement that I’m aware of,” Inhofe said. “This was really a riot. He should have shown more disdain for the rioters. I don’t want to say he should have apologized — that’s not exactly accurate — but he should have expressed more disdain.”

Instead, Trump directed his disdain toward Vice President Mike Pence, who refused to do what Trump wanted him to do — illegally refuse to accept the final election results in his role as Senate president.

By doing so, he may have alienated one of his most steadfast allies.

“I’ve known Mike Pence forever,” Inhofe said Tuesday night. “I’ve never seen Pence as angry as he was today.

“I had a long conversation with him,” said Inhofe. “He said, ‘After all the things I’ve done for (Trump).’”

Aside from Wednesday’s attempted takeover of the Capitol, the past few days have been difficult for Inhofe because he refused to go along with protesting the Electoral College results.

“We’ve had calls. We’ve had threats. … I have many very, very close friends mad at me, when all I’m doing is upholding my oath,” Inhofe said.

He and many other conservatives say the law and the Constitution do not give Congress the authority to challenge electoral votes certified by the various states and the District of Columbia.

He also doesn’t think it’s something Republicans should be doing.

“Republicans have always been for states’ rights,” Inhofe said. “Democrats are the ones who always tried to nationalize elections.”

Inhofe said he never felt in danger Wednesday, but he said he was irritated to see someone rifling through his desk while he watched on television.

“They broke in on the House side and were coming toward (the Senate)” when senators were led outside to a nearby office building — although Inhofe broke away to go to his own office.

“My daughter is in town,” he said. “I didn’t want to leave her alone.”

Isn’t this the dotard who brought a snowball into Congress to disprove climate change? Had no idea he was still around,