American Politics I: It's All Applesauce

[Nejii]

We need a Nuremberg-like commission to try Trump and other Republican conspirators on charges of sedition. Anyone who supported this coup attempt or supports any other attempt to challenge the election should be barred from ever holding office again.

Which would conveniently clear out most of the Republican Party.

Considering how strict you know something like that would be held. Try it though, and the right will go all out in their uprising.

[Punished UMN]

America's mayor, everybody. If ever there was a major politician whose legacy is going to be more tarnished. Imagine going from a universally beloved national hero in the aftermath of the largest attack on civilians in the country's history to attempting to overthrow the democratically elected government at the behest of a billionaire real-estate con-man.

Idk if you know who I mean, but I've forgotten his name. What happened to that other aging former politician who was seriously loyal to Trump? He seems to have disappeared.

Jeff Sessions? Giuliani was a more universally beloved figure after the events of 9/11. What happened with Sessions was humiliating, but it wasn't disgraceful.

[Nekostan-e Gharbi]

That’s not authority. We don’t see billionaires executing anyone who refuses to bow down before them. We don’t see them shooting random people for fun. Mark Zuckerberg is not out to get you if you say that you hate him. That’s what actual authority all over the world does though.

A number of companies have flat out hired death squads to assassinate labour activists.

We can argue that this is guilty of statism (i.e. acting like a state) and it has to be dealt with just like all other forms of statism. Murder, robbery, rape..these are all instances of statism, that is, coercion.

[CoraSpia]

Idk if you know who I mean, but I've forgotten his name. What happened to that other aging former politician who was seriously loyal to Trump? He seems to have disappeared.

Jeff Sessions? Giuliani was a more universally beloved figure after the events of 9/11. What happened with Sessions was humiliating, but it wasn't disgraceful.

Nah, significantly older and more senior. I think he ran for president once but didn't get very far in the primaries.

[Kowani]

Kowani , any new headlines?

Pretty much every country is looking at the US and going "what the fuck"

[Salandriagado]

Governments are the only reason that doesn't happen.

I disagree. It is about personality. Those who like commerce and intellectualism are unlikely to be into killing people simply for disagreeing. It is the opposite mindset that leads to these things.

That is not a description of billionaires. The primary selection factor for billionaires is ruthlessness. And, indeed, in situations where governments aren't able to prevent it, we see things like Shell hiring mercenaries to kill people in the Niger Delta.

[Cedoria]

We need a Nuremberg-like commission to try Trump and other Republican conspirators on charges of sedition. Anyone who supported this coup attempt or supports any other attempt to challenge the election should be barred from ever holding office again.

Which would conveniently clear out most of the Republican Party.

Considering how strict you know something like that would be held. Try it though, and the right will go all out in their uprising.

Good. Better to lance a boil now then let it fester.

[Nekostan-e Gharbi]

I disagree. It is about personality. Those who like commerce and intellectualism are unlikely to be into killing people simply for disagreeing. It is the opposite mindset that leads to these things.

That is not a description of billionaires. The primary selection factor for billionaires is ruthlessness.

Not really. It depends on which industry one is in. You don’t have to be ruthless to be a tech leader.

[Baltenstein]

Ruly Giuliani before the failed coup:Calling for trial by combat

Latinx LGBT activist versus QAnon Proud Boy, colorized

[Salandriagado]

That is not a description of billionaires. The primary selection factor for billionaires is ruthlessness.

Not really. It depends on which industry one is in. You don’t have to be ruthless to be a tech leader.

You need to be ruthless to become a billionaire. By any mechanism (other than inheritance, I suppose).

[Nekostan-e Gharbi]

I disagree. It is about personality. Those who like commerce and intellectualism are unlikely to be into killing people simply for disagreeing. It is the opposite mindset that leads to these things.

That is not a description of billionaires. The primary selection factor for billionaires is ruthlessness. And, indeed, in situations where governments aren't able to prevent it, we see things like Shell hiring mercenaries to kill people in the Niger Delta.

Was British East India Company essentially also a state? What Shell does is simply statism.

[Kowani]

Mike Pence is very unhappy with Trump

[Punished UMN]

Jeff Sessions? Giuliani was a more universally beloved figure after the events of 9/11. What happened with Sessions was humiliating, but it wasn't disgraceful.

Nah, significantly older and more senior. I think he ran for president once but didn't get very far in the primaries.

I might recognize him if you had a picture.

[Nekostan-e Gharbi]

Not really. It depends on which industry one is in. You don’t have to be ruthless to be a tech leader.

You need to be ruthless to become a billionaire. By any mechanism (other than inheritance, I suppose).

Nah. I think you do not realize that it is much easier to become one in tech compared to other industries. Bill Gates and Mark Zuckerberg are not particularly ruthless people.

[Nejii]

Which would conveniently clear out most of the Republican Party.

Considering how strict you know something like that would be held. Try it though, and the right will go all out in their uprising.

Good. Better to lance a boil now then let it fester.

Topple the Republican Party and let tyd Democratic Party seize total government control and perhaps even simply insert replacement officials rather than hold elections. A far-left takeover offer government followed by a ram-through of their entire party agenda. Can you say “Marxist authoritarianism”?

[The Marlborough]

A number of companies have flat out hired death squads to assassinate labour activists.

When has that happened in recent history?

The early 2000's with Coca-Cola. A lot of Brazilian logging and agriculture companies also routinely kill indigenous people in their pursuit of destroying the Amazon Rainforest. Canada's mining companies also have a pretty brutal reputation in parts of Latin America.

[The Orson Empire]

We need a Nuremberg-like commission to try Trump and other Republican conspirators on charges of sedition. Anyone who supported this coup attempt or supports any other attempt to challenge the election should be barred from ever holding office again.

Which would conveniently clear out most of the Republican Party.

Considering how strict you know something like that would be held. Try it though, and the right will go all out in their uprising.

So be it, then. Let them try and revolt. I'm confident the military will uphold the Constitution and stop them in their tracks.

[Nekostan-e Gharbi]

When has that happened in recent history?

The early 2000's with Coca-Cola. A lot of Brazilian logging and agriculture companies also routinely kill indigenous people in their pursuit of destroying the Amazon Rainforest. Canada's mining companies also have a pretty brutal reputation in parts of Latin America.

That’s statism. Warlords, gangs and other violent groups are pretty much mini-states anyway.

[The Orson Empire]

Mike Pence is very unhappy with Trump

If Mike Pence had actually grown a spine years ago and stopped being Trump's lame sidekick, perhaps he wouldn't be in the situation. Trump literally sicked his own supporters on Pence.

[Kowani]

Meanwhilem the GOP continues to eat itself

[Nejii]

Which would conveniently clear out most of the Republican Party.

Considering how strict you know something like that would be held. Try it though, and the right will go all out in their uprising.

So be it, then. Let them try and revolt. I'm confident the military will uphold the Constitution and stop them in their tracks.

More like a military schism. Remember that military types from senior brass to enlisted men are on average more right-wing. Especially those who have seen active duty.

[The Free Joy State]

The early 2000's with Coca-Cola. A lot of Brazilian logging and agriculture companies also routinely kill indigenous people in their pursuit of destroying the Amazon Rainforest. Canada's mining companies also have a pretty brutal reputation in parts of Latin America.

That’s statism. Warlords, gangs and other violent groups are pretty much mini-states anyway.

"Everything bad is statism". I guess this is the third-cousin once-removed to "Everything I Don't Like is Communism" and its brother "Everything I Don't Like is Fascism".

So far, we've seen "statism" blamed for corrupt corporations, warlords, gangs, murder, rape and robbery. I suppose, now we'll find out that it shot JR and JFK and also was responsible for the Bermuda Triangle.

[Xanthal]

Good. Better to lance a boil now then let it fester.

Topple the Republican Party and let tyd Democratic Party seize total government control and perhaps even simply insert replacement officials rather than hold elections. A far-left takeover offer government followed by a ram-through of their entire party agenda. Can you say “Marxist authoritarianism”?

The Democratic Party are, as a whole, milquetoast leftists. They don't let their radical wing anywhere near the real levers of power.

[The Marlborough]

You need to be ruthless to become a billionaire. By any mechanism (other than inheritance, I suppose).

Nah. I think you do not realize that it is much easier to become one in tech compared to other industries. Bill Gates and Mark Zuckerberg are not particularly ruthless people.

Mark Zuckerberg has been noted by many people who know him to be incredibly ruthless. Bill Gates was also incredibly ruthless early on and was known to being incredibly prone to micromanagement and excessive monitoring of his workforce. Not to mention him trying to form a monopoly and crushing any competition before it even had a chance. Steve Jobs was also notoriously ruthless.

The tech industry is actually known for having some pretty harsh and ruthless leaders within it.

[The Orson Empire]

So be it, then. Let them try and revolt. I'm confident the military will uphold the Constitution and stop them in their tracks.

More like a military schism. Remember that military types from senior brass to enlisted men are on average more right-wing. Especially those who have seen active duty.

I doubt it. The brass already refused to follow Trump when he tried to deploy troops during the George Floyd protests.